Here is the following conersation I had with Selenas
[20:54] <selenas> check up the nutrient uptake charts for hydro
[20:55] <selenas> => 5.6 should be your ph not 6.5
[20:55] <selenas> just as a hint
[20:56] <Silosaibin> I checked out the chart it seemed to read 6.5 was the best for nute uptake but that chart isnt meant for mary
[20:56] <selenas> yup
[20:56] <selenas> one sec
[20:56] <Silosaibin> ill drop that ph in the mornin and checkit out
[20:57] <selenas> i got it somewhere
[20:58] <Silosaibin> awesome thanks a bunch
[20:58] <selenas>
http://www.420genetics.com/faq/Nutrient-Uptake-and-pH.jpg
[20:58] <selenas> as we can clearly see on the hydro side of things
[20:58] <selenas> 5.5 to 5.6 is your goal
[21:00] <selenas> clone area: use non transparent boxes
[21:00] <selenas> otherwhise alge buildup
[21:00] <Silosaibin> Thanks so much. Thats something that i need to stick on the nute wall. Wow I have been a member on the site for about 20 min and already gonna have a better harvest
[21:00] <selenas> veg/flower: get your lights closer
[21:00] <selenas> if you can manage without burning the plant
[21:00] <Silosaibin> really I have not had issue so far
[21:00] <selenas> if you cant => airflow!!!!!!!!
[21:00] <selenas> mine are 6cm from my plants
[21:00] <selenas> aircooled
[21:01] <selenas> because every 6-12" light looses half its power
[21:01] <selenas> therefore the plants will stretch => less harvest
[21:01] <Silosaibin> your talking about fruit or veg room
[21:01] <selenas> closer lights =>denser nodes
[21:01] <selenas> denser nodes => denser flowers => bigger buds
[21:01] <Silosaibin> in the fruit room i had to move it this evening ue to the burn. it was right on them about an hour ago
[21:02] <selenas> get an additional fan
[21:02] <Silosaibin> i had some burn on 3 fan leaves so thats why its so high tonight
[21:02] <selenas> or preferably a air cooled hood
[21:02] <selenas> pots are looking way too overcrowded
[21:02] <Silosaibin> mine is air coolable
[21:02] <Silosaibin> need the fan and ducting
[21:02] <selenas> also will make it hard in case one plant dies to remove it cleanly without the roots rotting and killing everything else
[21:02] <selenas> Silosaibin: can be fixed for less than 100 $
[21:03] <selenas> fan: 60 -> duct: 30 ->tape should always be around
[21:03] <Silosaibin> thats why i decided to join instead of lurk i need help to maximize my efforts
[21:03] <selenas> also no transparent or white buckets
[21:03] <selenas> they are not light tight
[21:03] <Silosaibin> i got a fan for free i just got to clean it and put it up
[21:03] <selenas> also trim out the lower branches i can predict a airflow problem coming up
[21:03] <selenas> not now just be prepared to do so
[21:03] <Silosaibin> the tubs are changable with a little time
[21:04] <Silosaibin> i literally trimmed those plants today as well
a nice little pile more with have to wait for heal time
[21:04] <selenas> cut a hole in the top of the bucket
[21:04] <selenas> to fit the wiring thru
[21:05] <selenas> so it closes
[21:05] <Silosaibin> thanks so much for the conversation youve had il save it and paste it ona notebad for reference jst in case i have a stoner moment
[21:05] <selenas> => less dust and shit in the water
[21:05] <selenas> get some foam mats or whatever you use for the cloners
[21:05] <selenas> and stick the cable thru there
[21:05] <Silosaibin> foam?
[21:05] <selenas> so its light tight
[21:05] <selenas> i make pucks from camping mats
[21:05] <selenas> made out of foam
[21:05] <Silosaibin> Got ya
[21:05] <selenas> cut a round shape out
21:05] <selenas> cut a round shape out
[21:05] <selenas> cut a slit
[21:06] <selenas> mark it on the container
[21:06] <selenas> fit cable
[21:06] <selenas> =>win
[21:06] <selenas> now i need to yell
[21:06] <selenas> god dammit
[21:06] <Silosaibin> lol
[21:06] <selenas> FFS MAN ARE YOU STUPID? GET THE WIRING OFF THE FLOOR AT ANY COST
[21:06] <selenas> ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL YOURSELF?
[21:07] <selenas> buy a 15-20% plastic shelf at the local hardware store or homedepot
[21:07] <Silosaibin> your talking about the surge protectors
[21:07] <selenas> i am talking about the timer and stuff i see ont he floor
[21:07] <selenas> if water spills
[21:07] <selenas> and trust me some day you will have a leak if running hydro
[21:07] <selenas> thats gonna hurt
[21:07] <Silosaibin> yeah they were up on something til i cleaned and got lazy i guess that could cost me eh
[21:08] <selenas> something
https://www.rollitup.org/attachments/grow-room-design-setup/1408801d1296252332-staged-grow-room-buildup-towards-airout.jpg
[21:08] <selenas> like that
[21:08] <Silosaibin> i hope i dont have any leaks that would be one hell of a mess to clean up
[21:08] <selenas> and that one cable you see is now above the door
[21:09] <selenas> no cables, no electrics near my floor
[21:09] <selenas> 20 cm as a main security parameter
[21:09] <selenas> because water + electricity => danger
[21:09] <Silosaibin> nice ill change immediatley
[21:10] <selenas> the shelf cost me 12 %
[21:10] <Silosaibin> i can mount my surge protectors directly to the wall so nothing will need to be on the floor
[21:10] <selenas> and its for my own protection + storage
[21:10] <selenas> i have everything wall mounted
[21:10] <selenas> except for ballasts
[21:10] <Silosaibin> yeah you cant beat cheap chinese goods
[21:10] <selenas> they are on shelves
[21:10] <selenas> same goes for pumps
[21:11] <selenas> also i am concerned that your air pumps are lower than your water line
[21:11] <selenas> i am guessing from the looks of the pics
[21:11] <Silosaibin> my ballast is built in with light i need to purchase lense ducting and fan
[21:11] <selenas> also please invest in proper pots
[21:11] <selenas> they are 1$ max per
[21:11] <selenas> and then you have them at the right line. yours look irregular
[21:12] <Silosaibin> where do you purchase your pots and what does the right line mean
[21:12] <selenas> water line
[21:12] <selenas> because if your pots dont end at the same hight
[21:12] <selenas> the water line is different for each pod
[21:12] <selenas> homedepot if you live in .us
[21:12] <selenas> otherwhise hardware store. home department or whatever you would call it
[21:12] <Silosaibin> hmm i dont think i understand that
[21:13] <Silosaibin> i am just using 5 gallon buckets they are all the same heighth
[21:13] <selenas> the place that sells everything you need when buying a house
[21:13] <selenas> Silosaibin: no, the inserts
[21:13] <selenas> what looks like plastic cups
[21:13] <Silosaibin> ahh i got you
[21:13] <selenas> try to get net pots
[21:14] <Silosaibin> i just purchased 30 making the change over you can see one of my tubs with the black ring of netting pots. Im on that one
[21:14] <selenas> okay
[21:14] <selenas> um yeah
[21:15] <selenas> fix your window for good
[21:15] <selenas>
https://www.rollitup.org/attachments/grow-room-design-setup/1408799d1296252239-staged-grow-room-buildup-towards-intake.jpg
21:15] <selenas> cheap wood + silicone glue + a few screws
[21:15] <selenas>
https://www.rollitup.org/attachments/grow-room-design-setup/1408800d1296252290-staged-grow-room-buildup-towards-intakeactive.jpg
[21:15] <selenas> thats my air intake
[21:16] <Silosaibin> nice as long as it looks normal from the outside it should be good to go.
[21:16] <selenas> thats not the concern
[21:16] <selenas> its light tight
[21:17] <Silosaibin> my light cycle is from sunrise to sundown so im hoping to fix that and use night time to my advantage especially in summer so i can turn ac off at night and just drop co2
[21:18] <selenas> your room is far from beeing able to use co2
[21:18] <selenas> fix everything else first
[21:18] <Silosaibin> really? thats good to know.
[21:18] <Silosaibin> i hear that!!
[21:18] <selenas> co2 is the last step
[21:18] <selenas> the very last
[21:18] <selenas> once everything else is the optimum
[21:18] <Silosaibin> Im hoping to have 5 oz off first crop. There is 11 plants there
[21:19] <selenas> your first plans will be fix your window for good
[21:19] <selenas> leave it a crack open
[21:19] <selenas> screw wood over it
[21:19] <Silosaibin> leave it a crack open huh
[21:19] <selenas> air intake
[21:19] <selenas> or venting
[21:19] <Silosaibin> its winter here
[21:19] <Silosaibin> too friggin cold at night
[21:19] <selenas> yeah the wood will adress that
[21:19] <selenas> your problem is simple
[21:19] <Silosaibin> got ya
[21:19] <selenas> the way it currently is water will condense on the window
[21:19] <selenas> therefore giving away you are growing
[21:20] <selenas> this way it condenses on the wood
[21:20] <selenas> every 6 degree celsius difference causes water to condense
[21:20] <Silosaibin> ahh that is something very important
[21:20] <selenas> mkay what else
[21:20] <selenas> ah yeah
[21:20] <selenas> next step is improve ventilation
[21:21] <selenas> and get your cooled hoods working
[21:21] <selenas> plan the ducting for good
[21:21] <selenas> read up on airflow so you know where the draw is the strongest and where its the weakest
[21:21] <selenas> get your ac for the summer working
[21:21] <selenas> then you are good for the first few runs
[21:21] <Silosaibin> yeah i got a quick question my house is central heat and why are my grow rooms condensating and the living room not
[21:21] <selenas> the next thing would be to build cabinets
[21:22] <selenas> Silosaibin: your rh% is higher in the grow room due to the plants
[21:22] <selenas> they sweat like humans
[21:22] <selenas> always
[21:22] <selenas> you sweat right now. its just not visible
[21:22] <selenas> okay lets think big here
[21:22] <Silosaibin> this is a problem that i need to solve immediatley my friend
[21:22] <selenas> the window + wood thing will do it
[21:23] <Silosaibin> yeah sounds good to me. That something I will get on
[21:23] <selenas> or at least make it a bit better
[21:23] <selenas> if you want to get fancy on that
[21:23] <selenas> cover the top 80% of the window framw with wood
[21:23] <selenas> make a flap for the lower 20%
[21:23] <Silosaibin> if the condesation is a tell tale sign then that is something i def want to remove
[21:23] <selenas> that allows you to clean the window
[21:23] <selenas> and close it in case something fucks up
[21:23] <Silosaibin> right right
[21:24] <selenas> because heat rises i think its more important to seal the higher parts better
[21:24] <Silosaibin> yeah you would think the blankets would soak up the condensation
[21:24] <selenas> not after a certain point
[21:24] <selenas> besides it condesnes outside
[21:24] <Silosaibin> would you think i would be better off moving my stuff to my basement. I have one but its the man cave
[21:24] <selenas> because colder air can hold more water than hot
[21:24] <selenas>
[21:25] <selenas> it doesnt matter where you do it
[21:25] <selenas> fact is you will always have a rh% problem
[21:25] <selenas> and therfore the water will condense somewhere
[21:25] <selenas> worst case would be walls
[21:25] <selenas> because that can lead to fungus and mold
[21:25] <selenas> therefore my recommendation is for leap 3 of your project
[21:25] <selenas> seal everything
[21:25] <selenas> there is black/white foil for that
[21:25] <Silosaibin> then dehumidification is asomething that will have to take place no matter what. Ill take a small one and reengineer the tank to a bucket
[21:25] <selenas> white =>black to walls
[21:26] <selenas> so no fungus
[21:26] <selenas> white to the room for a bit of reflection
[21:26] <selenas> seal joints with duct tape
[21:26] <Silosaibin> umm lol i also got fungus somewhere around here
not the bad kind though edibles
[21:26] <Silosaibin> i grow it as well
[21:26] <selenas> well fungus spores are always in the air
[21:27] <selenas> you cant prevent that
[21:27] <selenas> so water condensing on the walls at 20-25 degrees
[21:27] <selenas> doesnt take a engineer
[21:27] <Silosaibin> i know this. actually i really know this from some of my contaminations issues in the past
[21:27] <selenas> okay lets think big
[21:27] <Silosaibin> i always do
[21:27] <selenas> leap 4: after fixing that you want to package everything in cabinets
[21:27] <selenas> my personal choice is grow tents
[21:27] <selenas> but you can get some wood and build some
[21:28] <Silosaibin> i like them myself easy to keep sanitary
[21:28] <selenas> this way your light cycles dont affect each other
[21:28] <selenas> also it makes it way easier to clean area by area
[21:28] <selenas> it helps seal the room when you do it right
[21:28] <Silosaibin> that means multiple lights = more money
lmao
[21:28] <selenas> because a unsealed room => co2 is useless
[21:28] <selenas> because it will get out
[21:28] <selenas> this way it wont
[21:28] <selenas> also i would recommend sealing
[21:29] <selenas> so when bad bugs get one of your cabinets
[21:29] <Silosaibin> i have to get the 100 around for the roll of black white plastic
[21:29] <selenas> you have a safty time to deploy good bugs at the others
[21:29] <Silosaibin> rose pride!! it destroys infestations
[21:29] <selenas> ..........................................
[21:29] <selenas> leap 4:
[21:29] <selenas> once you got multiple cabinets
[21:30] <selenas> take your flower phase in weeks / number of cabinets
[21:30] <selenas> =>variable 1
[21:30] <selenas> mkay?
[21:30] <Silosaibin> 8 weeks 8 tents
[21:30] <selenas> well if its that big its too big for you
[21:30] <selenas> if you run sativa strains (pure) you have 9 weeks of flower max
[21:30] <selenas> so 3 cabinets
[21:31] <selenas> => variable 1 = 3
[21:31] <selenas> okay
[21:31] <selenas> now start cabinet 1
[21:31] <selenas> wait 3 weeks
[21:31] <selenas> start cabinet 2
[21:31] <selenas> wait 3 weeks
[21:31] <selenas> start cabinet 3
[21:31] <selenas> wait 3 weeks
[21:31] <selenas> harvest + refill 1
[21:31] <selenas> repeat that
[21:31] <selenas> one harvest every 3 weeks
[21:32] <Silosaibin> so prety much a sog method of types
[21:32] <selenas> it doesnt matter if your un sog in the cabinets
[21:32] <selenas> we are adressing this on a broader scale
[21:32] <Silosaibin> with mature plants ive been around a few other growers and you cant beat the harvest of a proper mature plant
[21:32] <selenas> because thats only the cab cycle
[21:33] <selenas> what happens in them
[21:33] <selenas> is otally up to you
[21:33] <selenas> but for beginners
[21:33] <Silosaibin> i see
[21:33] <selenas> no more than one 1x veg 1x clone 2x flower
[21:33] <selenas> one harvest every month maybe ever 5 weeks
[21:33] <selenas> depends on the hybrids you are using
[21:33] <Silosaibin> i am trying to achieve 1 every two weeks
[21:33] <selenas> please note that this leap should be about 2-5 grows under your belt
[21:34] <selenas> Silosaibin: why?
[21:34] <Silosaibin> not with the amount i have in there now they were just ready to rock and roll
[21:34] <Silosaibin> i smoke alot
[21:34] <Silosaibin>
[21:34] <selenas> i am currently re-building my room
[21:34] <selenas> in the end i will be at 1 clone room (40 plants max)
[21:34] <Silosaibin> may i ask why?
[21:35] <selenas> 1 mother room (8 plants)
[21:35] <selenas> i moved
[21:35] <Silosaibin> k
[21:35] <selenas> 1 veg room (for 40 plants max, i only veg for 3 weeks tho)
[21:35] <selenas> so its kinda small
[21:35] <Silosaibin> 8 mothers !!
[21:35] <Silosaibin> thats not small
[21:36] <selenas> 1x flower department one 1 box with 1.20 meters by 1.20 meters - 1 flower box with 80x80 cm
[21:36] <selenas> Silosaibin: bonai mothers
[21:36] <Silosaibin> short bushies got ya
[21:36] <selenas> 1x flower department two 2.40x1.20 meters
[21:36] <selenas> => first cycle returns 400-600 grams easy
[21:36] <selenas> second cycle returns 600-800 grams
[21:37] <selenas> cant smoke that in a month
[21:37] <selenas> not even with help of friends
[21:37] <selenas> each mother is a different strain
[21:37] <Silosaibin> your smart lol
[21:37] <selenas> running sat. dominated hybrids
[21:37] <selenas> 3 weeks veg, 6 -7 weeks flower max
[21:37] <Silosaibin> 8 strains i have one lemon skink waiting on another crystal
[21:37] <selenas> currently desinging the hydro for it
[21:38] <selenas> and i dont think you need to produce more than i do
[21:38] <Silosaibin> i like the head buzz myself i find body makes me to slow
[21:38] <selenas> running 3x 600w, 1x 400w => hps
[21:38] <selenas> 1x 250w mh veg
[21:39] <Silosaibin> woooo
[21:39] <selenas> t4's for mothers
[21:39] <selenas> t4's for clones
[21:39] <selenas> full nft hydro
[21:39] <selenas> airo cloner for clones
[21:39] <Silosaibin> im gonna try for all 400 watts
[21:39] <selenas> mothers are kept in a dwc and trimmed + root pruned on a regular basis
[21:39] <Silosaibin> my method has worked for more than one person. with no aero cloner
[21:40] <selenas> 1.2 to 1.8kg every two months in return
[21:40] <Silosaibin> root pruning im intrigued
[21:40] <Silosaibin> you can cut roots yes
[21:40] <selenas> daily maintaence time is expected to be a half hour tops
[21:40] <selenas> if not i will optimse the setup
[21:40] <selenas> also fake ceilling serving as a dry space then
[21:40] <Silosaibin> nice. that an impressive yeild. im glad i know metric
[21:40] <selenas> fresh air in ->preheated thru cool tubes
[21:41] <Silosaibin> woah fake sealing huh
[21:41] <selenas> dehumidified in the ceilling intake => drys bud => filtered (carbon coal)
[21:41] <Silosaibin> ceiling my bad
[21:41] <selenas> => heats my appartment
[21:41] <Silosaibin> makes sense
[21:41] <selenas>
https://www.rollitup.org/attachments/grow-room-design-setup/1409780d1296308317-staged-grow-room-buildup-towards-room2f.png
[21:42] <selenas>
https://www.rollitup.org/attachments/grow-room-design-setup/1409781d1296308334-staged-grow-room-buildup-towards-room1d.png
[21:42] <selenas>
https://www.rollitup.org/attachments/grow-room-design-setup/1409782d1296308349-staged-grow-room-buildup-towards-room3.png
[21:42] <selenas>
https://www.rollitup.org/attachments/grow-room-design-setup/1409783d1296308373-staged-grow-room-buildup-towards-spaceusage.png
[21:42] <selenas>
https://www.rollitup.org/attachments/grow-room-design-setup/1410917d1296348909-staged-grow-room-buildup-towards-ceiling.jpg
[21:42] <Silosaibin> so these are the cabinets you speak of huh
[21:42] <selenas> yup
[21:43] <Silosaibin> im very immpresed especially a stoner with cad skill lol j/k
[21:43] <selenas> only using
http://www.homebox.net/dhtml/product_family.php
[21:43] <selenas> for my tents
[21:43] <selenas> or cabinets as we can refer to them
[21:43] <Silosaibin> i have browsed and drooled
[21:44] <selenas> the one really high thing you see from below
[21:44] <Silosaibin> i take it your in the UK then
[21:44] <selenas> is two tables stacked on top of each other
[21:44] <selenas> screwed together
[21:45] <selenas> and made into sealed areas using wood + foil
[21:45] <selenas> no i am from the netherlands
[21:45] <selenas> if i where i brit i would use bloody all the time
[21:45] <Silosaibin> ahh the motherland
[21:45] <Silosaibin> Ha
[21:45] <selenas> besides its not cad
[21:45] <selenas> its google sketchup
[21:45] <Silosaibin> very small amount of square footage really being put to use. It very nice
[21:46] <selenas> its optimised for what i have
[21:46] <Silosaibin> never even heard of it I just remember taking a short course and it looked similar
[21:46] <selenas> and even in this state
[21:46] <selenas> the room is not co2 ready
[21:46] <selenas> silo: google sketchup is really easy to use
[21:46] <selenas> took me 10 minutes to get the hang of it
[21:46] <selenas> and i never did computer graphics before
[21:47] <Silosaibin> your shitting me with that amount of light and plant growth youd think that youd something a little more than fresh air but im a noob
[21:47] <selenas> nope
[21:47] <selenas> it doesnt pay off for me
[21:47] <Silosaibin> no graphics here either Im a chip programmer. really basic you can teach yourself stuff
[21:47] <selenas> it shortens my time by about 3 days total
[21:47] <selenas> i know from my previous room
[21:47] <selenas> and gives me 10% more yield
[21:48] <selenas> but the extra expenses would make up 15% more
[21:48] <Silosaibin> i can see how that might not be worth it
[21:48] <selenas> and thats not in it
[21:48] <selenas> besides it would drop my price per gram a bit
[21:48] <selenas> so even worse
[21:48] <selenas> because more thruput => lower sell prices
[21:49] <selenas> and my yield used to be big enouph
[21:49] <selenas> and will be when i am finished
[21:49] <Silosaibin> sounds awesome
[21:49] <selenas> now this will be a full hydro room when i am done
[21:50] <selenas> currently i am setting up and doing test runs with coco instead of hydro
[21:50] <selenas> my eta is mid summer
[21:50] <selenas> maybe a few weeks earlier
[21:50] <selenas>
https://www.rollitup.org/attachments/grow-room-design-setup/1435713d1297443474-staged-grow-room-buildup-towards-20110211003.jpg
[21:50] <Silosaibin> you cant beat the yeild rate for hydro as opposed to dirt but you can beat the buzz vice versa
[21:50] <selenas>
https://www.rollitup.org/attachments/grow-room-design-setup/1435714d1297443573-staged-grow-room-buildup-towards-20110211005.jpg
[21:50] <selenas>
https://www.rollitup.org/attachments/grow-room-design-setup/1435715d1297443599-staged-grow-room-buildup-towards-20110211006.jpg
[21:50] <selenas>
https://www.rollitup.org/attachments/grow-room-design-setup/1435721d1297443712-staged-grow-room-buildup-towards-20110211017.jpg
[21:50] <selenas>
https://www.rollitup.org/attachments/grow-room-design-setup/1435723d1297443727-staged-grow-room-buildup-towards-20110211018.jpg
[21:50] <selenas> i doubt that
[21:51] <selenas> gonna have some fresh pics tomorrow
[21:51] <Silosaibin> very nice. i consider coco hydro. theres no nutrients or soil in that so its the same
[21:53] <selenas> the main trick is
[21:53] <selenas> lights close
[21:53] <selenas> right nutrients + dose
[21:53] <selenas> perfect ph (a really good meter!!!9
[21:53] <selenas> always fresh air
[21:53] <selenas> perfect temp+rh
[21:53] <selenas> and good air circulation in the room
[21:54] <Silosaibin> i know im missing some of those but because of your advice i will be a little less noobish in no time
[21:54] <Silosaibin> again thank you for your time
[21:54] <selenas> yup
[21:54] <selenas> you might want to save the whole talk
[21:54] <selenas> and post it somewhere on the forums
[21:54] <selenas> like in your grow report
[21:54] <selenas>
[21:54] <Silosaibin> Where should I post it
[21:54] <selenas> so others have something from that aswell
[21:55] <Silosaibin> I got ya. I will do. Again thanks a bunch and enjoy your evening
Ps the blue you see in the veg room is Miracle Gro Bloom Booster. I m using that up in the veg room really quick to get rid of it.
