First ever grow; 600w hps 3 plant SCROG

Enigma said:

Defoliation will help that, along with the proper lighting.

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Defoliation doesn't help a fully lighted bud site get more light. Artificial light diminishes at a very substantial rate for plants so being too far from the light to produce viable bud is simply being too far from the light to produce viable bud. (Viable meaning i would take the time to trim, cure and smoke it) I typically just toss those straight to oil and then to edibles

It is all in the technique.

I thought lollypopping was the right thing to do. I won't remove another bud site ever again, I'd rather have buds than leaves.

I decided to remove some lower growth on all 3 of them and this is just one plants lower section. I feel like it was the right choice and I carefull looked for the bud sites that were getting so little light and that hadn't even barely started developing.
And here is a picture of the buds on the more indica plant.

Psychonautic Tendencies said:

View attachment 3966603I decided to remove some lower growth on all 3 of them and this is just one plants lower section. I feel like it was the right choice and I carefull looked for the bud sites that were getting so little light and that hadn't even barely started developing.
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Exactly dude, get rid of those budsites. Your top buds with thank you. That shit looks good.

Exercise extreme caution listening to someone telling you to remove bud sites.

I grow for bud, not leaves.

I appreciate the concern. I normally wouldn't do it all all, but since they overgrew so much, I only removed tiny branches that wouldn't even be big enough to clone off the bottom. Stuff I probably should have removed before flowering started. But I'm always in to seeing what works best for me, so I'll compare my next grow which are clones from this grow that I have under a 125w CFL. That way I can see if there is any noticeable difference in buds or yield. But guys! Have you heard of LA's Back Bud Building tek. I just stumbled across it last night, it's quite impressive even though it seems to not be well known, it involves snipping a tiny bit off of the top of your main colas which weirdly makes them noticeable bigger/fatter just days later.

Enigma said:

Exercise extreme caution listening to someone telling you to remove bud sites.

I grow for bud, not leaves.

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Dude your like a broken record, " grow bud not leafs" lol I'm pretty sure everyone here grows for the bud not leafs
Cutting lower bud sites is just fine. It diverts energy from the fluffy larf, to your main buds. I cut everything below the screen, none of it gets light anyway after my buds in the canopy start swelling. Regardless of how well you defoliate, your buds and sugar leafs will shade those lower bud sites if you have fat enough nugs. That's why it's good to lollipop. I wont cut any bud sites that recieve enough light though. At harvest I usually have a some larf buds that get thrown in the trim pile for extracts but I minimize that as much as possible

ҖҗlegilizeitҗҖ said:

Dude your like a broken record, " grow bud not leafs" lol I'm pretty sure everyone here grows for the bud not leafs
Cutting lower bud sites is just fine. It diverts energy from the fluffy larf, to your main buds. I cut everything below the screen, none of it gets light anyway after my buds in the canopy start swelling. Regardless of how well you defoliate, your buds and sugar leafs will shade those lower bud sites if you have fat enough nugs. That's why it's good to lollipop. I wont cut any bud sites that recieve enough light though. At harvest I usually have a some larf buds that get thrown in the trim pile for extracts but I minimize that as much as possible

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Perfectly said

Enigma said:

Exercise extreme caution listening to someone telling you to remove bud sites.

I grow for bud, not leaves.

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Seriously, saying the same dumb thing over and over doesn't help anyone. Do you even know why you do the things that you do?

Have any of you guys heard of the above mentioned bud manipulation tek before? Posting updated pics soon.

im on my first scrog as well, 3 weeks in.

i did like you i waited too long to flip them, removed a ton of plant material and tried my best to maintain a horizontal canopy.

shouldve flipped way earlier and had it grow into the screen to properly utilize the budsites closer to the bottom. lesson learned.

other then that your plants look great

louiedogg said:

im on my first scrog as well, 3 weeks in.

i did like you i waited too long to flip them, removed a ton of plant material and tried my best to maintain a horizontal canopy.

shouldve flipped way earlier and had it grow into the screen to properly utilize the budsites closer to the bottom. lesson learned.

other then that your plants look great

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Any pics? What was your final yield?

Day 41 of flowering. Top picture is the more indica based plant, the bottom picture is the tallest bud slowest budding sativa dominant plant. Just changes the 12/12 to 11.5/12.5 to see if I can notice a change. You guys think they are on track?

ipeeinpools said:

Perfectly said

Seriously, saying the same dumb thing over and over doesn't help anyone. Do you even know why you do the things that you do?

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I defoliate AND pick out all bud sites probably on the bottom 1/2. Certainly everything below the SCROG net. As stated above - leaving too many bud sites on a branch divides the amount of energy that can be sent to build buds. Instead of solid main colas on each branch you might end up with a medium bud up top and armpit fluff at each other node below. All of that fluff down inside the plant can seriously impede air flow and cause issues like PM. I keep that shit clean, keep the air flowing and keep the big buds growing and healthy.

Psychonautic Tendencies said:

I appreciate the concern. I normally wouldn't do it all all, but since they overgrew so much, I only removed tiny branches that wouldn't even be big enough to clone off the bottom. Stuff I probably should have removed before flowering started. But I'm always in to seeing what works best for me, so I'll compare my next grow which are clones from this grow that I have under a 125w CFL. That way I can see if there is any noticeable difference in buds or yield. But guys! Have you heard of LA's Back Bud Building tek. I just stumbled across it last night, it's quite impressive even though it seems to not be well known, it involves snipping a tiny bit off of the top of your main colas which weirdly makes them noticeable bigger/fatter just days later.

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I've tried it a couple of times and all it seems to do is keep spiky colas rounder tho I didn't notice any increase in weight compared to the un-snipped ones. Commercial growers like doing that to make it easier for the buds to get processed thru the big trimming machines. Don't seem to hurt anything so snip a few and see how you like it. For strains that grow spiky tops it's alright.

Psychonautic Tendencies said:

Day 41 of flowering. Top picture is the more indica based plant, the bottom picture is the tallest bud slowest budding sativa dominant plant. Just changes the 12/12 to 11.5/12.5 to see if I can notice a change. You guys think they are on track?

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At 6 weeks they could be somewhat fatter than those. The ones in the middle pic look further along but those are the indicas aren't they? With longer flowering strains they will be smaller than fat indicas at the same stage of flowering but have more time to fatten up so can be even bigger at the end. Lots of flowers on them so once they fill out they could get huge.

All looking real good so you should get a nice crop.

Psychonautic Tendencies said:

View attachment 3966603I decided to remove some lower growth on all 3 of them and this is just one plants lower section. I feel like it was the right choice and I carefull looked for the bud sites that were getting so little light and that hadn't even barely started developing.
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Did the light just come on in that photo of the bud? Its leaves art perked up praying to the light god!

Psychonautic Tendencies said:

I appreciate the concern. I normally wouldn't do it all all, but since they overgrew so much, I only removed tiny branches that wouldn't even be big enough to clone off the bottom. Stuff I probably should have removed before flowering started. But I'm always in to seeing what works best for me, so I'll compare my next grow which are clones from this grow that I have under a 125w CFL. That way I can see if there is any noticeable difference in buds or yield. But guys! Have you heard of LA's Back Bud Building tek. I just stumbled across it last night, it's quite impressive even though it seems to not be well known, it involves snipping a tiny bit off of the top of your main colas which weirdly makes them noticeable bigger/fatter just days later.

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Yep, it doesn't do much...ive tried it several times

Also when I say like 42 days of flowering I do mean 42 days since light was switched to 12/12. There is only one indica plant out of the three here. Only the back right corner of these photos is the indica. I'm expecting another 35 days of flowering at least. The indica may need to be harvested before that, but that'll just allow more like on the 2 remaining sativas. Although yield estimates are unruly and impossible, I'm really aiming towards a confident 6 ounces at the least and probably 10 at the most. With the limiting factors and issues I ran into, I think I can be happy with that. What do you guys think?

Stipulus said:

Did the light just come on in that photo of the bud? Its leaves art perked up praying to the light god!

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It came on an hour before this was taken, but it did need to be watered, and is the reason the leaves were droopy like that.

Looks good! India is filling out well, sativa will follow in a couple weeks. Your canopy is a bit more uneven then what is optimal but should still yeild good, I could see 10 oz

I decided to cut the scrog because the weight of the colas on some of the sativa branches were causing them to slump and even lay down flat on the net. After I cut it the two sativas lost there support they'd had for the whole grow so they all fell into each other terribly, like when you interlace all your fingers when your hands are flat. So I spent like 3 hours tying individual strings to hold up each cola. Before and after pics above, and a pic of the smallest plant, which is the only indica, about 3 ft