Finally some good news on the Michigan Medical Marijuana front

Legislators are speaking for us and they are going to try to address a lot of our concerns it sounds like a lot of our issues will be addressed - these involve:

1. clarifying our laws
2. holding the police accountable when they violate mm laws
3. protection for gun owners(felony firearms cant be charged if there is no crime taking place and medical marijuana is not a crime)
4. clarifying that our laws are intended to tell the government what they cannot do(arrest, prosecute, etc..)(one way it does this is by amendments that give LEO restrictions and clarifications included but not limited to increasing the difficulty they have in obtaining a warrant for things like 'marijuana smell' and following that up with a military raid without investigation)
5. clarifying what constitutes a locked and enclosed facility so it reads as private property with functioning locks
6. Issue cards in a more timely manner
7. Increased Protections of patient and caregiver confidentiality
8. Address local zoning issues
9. Provide training and/or additional training for law enforcement

It seems we have some powerful people backing our cause here.




But now on to the bad news, there is also legislation being written that does things such as mandatory inspections, registrations, limitations, and even elimination of our law in it's current form( with plans for things like Pharmacy, Mega Dispensary, Government Operated grows and distribution). The good news is they have a weak case here, the constitution SHOULD protect us, and we do have a lot of people protecting us.

Things I feel are also important but are not being addressed by the legislators supportive of medical marijuana

1. Dispensaries
2. Propaganda about marijuana by groups like D.A.R.E and others is still being taught to children.
3. DUI - Marijuana Drug Testing is a failure - the test are not legitimate means of declaring intoxication - this applies to all legal drugs in my opinion - Everyone has a different tolerance, If someone takes 20 Vicodin a day they are what doctors call "clinically sober" on a small dose (not legally sober) - If you smoke an ounce a day or take 20 Vicodin a day most of these people are not impaired if they have 1/20th of their daily dose or whatever - everyone's tolerance is different and toxicity determinations in these test are not conclusive or linear. Illegitimate.
4. Drug Testing in the workplace of medical marijuana patients - Again as with the DUI - Unconstitutional, Unjust, Unfair, and Illegitimate.
5. The Feds
6. Co-op growing - like the 'enclosed locked facility issue' this was addressed in a forum last summer by MDCH and Legislators, they explained that the intention of the law is to allow for coop growing but to fear the feds if you have over 99 in one spot....sure thats all fine and dandy but we need to get this written in to law also.
7. We need clarification on the definition of a plant written in to law also - is a clone a plant ? whats a plant?
8. Plant Limits - Absolutely ridiculous that this is the method used to limit our grows in the first place - it should be canopy square footage of plants blooming or something that applies more to growing marijuana and not some arbitrary number.

thank you, good info, good read, good views, good job

Do you have any actual sources for this info?

deprave said:

Legislators are speaking for us....

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who? when?

yeah, I definitely would like to see more about this.

Dep. can you please post links to the info you are posting about? both the good and bad news.


what was the source of this info? I would be interested in spending some time reading thru it.
yes we do have some large voices in our fight, but so does the opposition. I like to know what both sides are saying.

I agree their are alot of other quirks/issues to be delt with, once the main issues are resolved and seated in a good foundation in the law.

while our current writing seems to be unclear, i on the other hand, think the current law, as written, is pretty descriptive of what is allowed, thus what isnt allowed. imo, it ( the current MMMA 08 Act in Michigan), is quite concrete and black and white as it is. how anyone can "interprit" all these grey areas they see, is kind of beyond me. Like any law, it is the sum of its parts. you take each part as a rule, then when all rules are taken in a full 1 focus context, that is the law, and pretty black and white imo.

some of my thoughts on your topics.

deprave said:

Things I feel are also important but are not being addressed by the legislators supportive of medical marijuana

1. Dispensaries IMO, the way the law is currently written, Dispensories, or "Pot Stores" are not legal to operate.
2. Propaganda about marijuana by groups like D.A.R.E and others is still being taught to children. Absolutely agree. While our kids DO need to be educated on Drugs, they need to be educated from a standpoint of what they are, what they are supposed to do, what they are known to do, and what they (our children) can do to avoid having to use them. Period. It Should NOT be done on a legal leg, but a medical/health/life/educational leg.
3. DUI - Marijuana Drug Testing is a failure - the test are not legitimate means of declaring intoxication I concur here. while you take a vicoden, on the side of the bottle it says, Do not Drive or Use Heavy Equipment until you know how the MEDICINE will effect you. See Marihuna (Michigans legal spelling) is a Medication, not a recreational substance like alcohol. This FACT needs to be HAMMERED into the law, and into the minds of those working for the legal system in local, county and state municipalities. If or maybe even when, Marijuana is fully Legalized, and controlled like alcohol, then and only then, will operating any vehicle become illegal under its influacne. It IS a medication, and can be many different things, this marvelous plant, but currently, LEGALALY speaking, here in Michigan, it is a Legal Medicine, thus needs to be handled as a legal medicine where use of any motorized vehicle is concerned.

this applies to all legal drugs in my opinion - i Somewhat agree. Everyone has a different tolerance, If someone takes 20 Vicodin a day they are what doctors call "clinically sober" on a small dose (not legally sober) - If you smoke an ounce a day or take 20 Vicodin a day most of these people are not impaired if they have 1/20th of their daily dose or whatever - everyone's tolerance is different. and toxicity determinations in these test are not conclusive or linear. Illegitimate. I agree with this.
4. Drug Testing in the workplace of medical marijuana patients - Again as with the DUI - Unconstitutional, Unjust, Unfair, and Illegitimate. Absolutely. Again, this is Medicine, thus Will be effectively handled in the workplace just like any other medicine. Quick Question? Who here has used, or had a co-worker use a sinus aid while working? Niquill and other similar medications (over the counter no less) make a person, drowsey, seeminly distracted, unable to focus, and otherwise alters that persons normal ability to function in a workplace, regardless of the nature of the work. Yet, no one ever gets wrote up, reprimanded, or fired for useing Mucinex at work. And that you can buy and pop by the handfulls. Just a Ramble, something to make folks go Hmmmm. you have my permission to use this arguement at will in your discussions about our Medicinal Choice to those folks that have a thick skull.

5. The Feds whole different book.
6. Co-op growing -As our law is currently written, i dont believe they are illegal, but i dont think the overall intent was to have one person, or a small group of people to have the ability to grow 100s and 100s of plants, and create basically a pot empire, where 2 or 3 individuals (like the MACC want things ). For instance, i believe the intent was to make it able for say a family (husband/wife) who are both Self supporting Patients (self CGs) has the ability to grow co operatively. But, 5 to 10 CGs, each with 5 or 10 patients, in a Co Op could effectively create a territorial manopoly so to say, and I belive this type of grow, is not legal or allowed, to try to curb and eliminate that Kingpin element from the black market days, to not be allowed to root and take hold in the new Medical Marihuana entity here in michigan. I basically am saying, no large money making groups were to be allowed, but a couple people that live in the same address, can grow in the same space legally, as long as things are properly documented.
like the 'enclosed locked facility issue' this was addressed in a forum last summer by MDCH and Legislators, they explained that the intention of the law is to allow for coop growing but to fear the feds if you have over 99 in one spot....sure thats all fine and dandy but we need to get this written in to law also. IMO, all that needs to be done, is the wording to make it CLEAR, a persons Fenced in Yard IS a facility, and as long as it is a locked gate, it is secure. If i jump a fence and run thru someones yard, i am commiting a misdemenor crime of criminal tresspassing. so they have illegally entered my Domain, or Facility.
7. We need clarification on the definition of a plant written in to law also - is a clone a plant ? whats a plant? If it has a root is is a plant. impo, the clarrification needs to be on the stages of growth. ie Veg/Bloom/Harvest, descriptions. their is already a dertermination of cured, by the 2.5 oz of USUABLE medication on hand at any given point in time. I think Clarification of Weight of Medicine used in Medibles needs to be clarified to pertain only to the weight of Cannabis used IN the food, not the weight of the entire food, solely due to the fact cannabis has been added to it. eating a 2in by 2in brownie from a pan of brownies that had 1/2 oz of shreded medicine added to it, is not the same as trying to eat a pan of pressed pot, weighing in at 4 lbs for the pan, and 3/4 oz for the 2x2 browing piece. lol
Weight of cannabis used in medibles is the ONLY weight that will be counted in Medibles.
8. Plant Limits - Absolutely ridiculous that this is the method used to limit our grows in the first place - it should be canopy square footage of plants blooming or something that applies more to growing marijuana and not some arbitrary number. I agree here also. IMPO, this is where a bit of segration of the grow should be outlined. IE you can have up to 24 vegitative plants. this includes seedlings and clones as well as any other ROOTED plants in a vegitative state (non flowering). Then 12 plants in Bloom stage. Look as a single pt, if i have 12 plants that are healthy in a bloom stage, and they all finish, i SHOULD have enough medicine to cover my own needs with some to spare. so thier inst much need for more than 12 plants in bloom for any one patient imo.

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As far as onhand, i think 4 to 8 oz should be allowed. if your making medibles, or oils, you just need more cannabis to extract the cannabinoids from. 2.5 oz is barely enough cannabis to make enough medible/oils out of for any length of time. a slightly larger allowable on hand limit would allow for finer, and more cost effective and refined medicine.

a few other things to mention...
as far as Harvest and Processing. IMO, this should too be a seperate distinctive section. allowing for up to 12 plants to be in the drying process. now the trick would be some pull and dry the plant, some pull cut off each stem and then dry, and others do something differently. So, to cover the dry/curing process, a deffiniton of what is considered "USEABLE" would need to be determined. ie, If im a inhaler of my meds, thus smoke it, i need a different stage of cured, than say a chef making medibles. with medibles, i would suspect, dish dependant, you may want a fresh cut choice for medicine. what if you were serving a cannasalad. thus its a fresh cut, topped with a nice grape vinegrat salad dressing. See both preparers are using the same medicine, but at a different stage of cure. also the Chefs meds will weigh in much higher being a fresh cut, than mine would being an inhaling patient of cannabis.

So either some deffinition between the harvest/curing process would need to be addressed, or an overall general statement to the effect of harvested medicine has its own outline as to amounts, ie fresh cut, partially cured, or cured... this can be a nightmare of an area to deal with imo, due to the various differances in preperation of the mediciine, which is hugely dependant on how it will be administered.

Guys this is just the word of mouth from various forums I don't have the actual documents, this is what the political mm groups are saying. I compiled this information into my cranium and put into my own words for this rollitup post.

thanks deprave-

thanks deprave

Great Feedback Timmah all good points, I personally think the limit to on hand should be around 10lbs in your home(a years outdoor harvest or years supply or more) but the 2.5 ounces per patient should only apply if you are transporting it in a vehicle or in public or something because that kind of implies your selling it if you have more than a half pound on your person your up to something lol

either way our system becomes very strict with the 2.5 ounces in that it sort of forces growers to grow perpetually meaning there is no reason ever to have extra medicine and this is restriction enough but really in the end it hurts the little guy the most and Id prefer much lighter restrictions across the board to protect the little guy, ya know the poor guy on his deathbed that just wants to grow some medicine for himself. Isn't that what this was all really about to begin with? Why must it be so difficult for them to obey the law?

from a breeding prospective it really just limits the quality and types of the medicine we can provide also, it would be impossible to legally breed out our own stable strains without a cooperative of many people over a lot of years.

I'm with you on that, deprave. Problem is, without those limitations and the paperwork, local LEO just doesn't know what to do with us because our law only alleviates things at the state level. They still have the feds breathing down their necks for information about us, and we don't have a significant win in federal court on the State's rights side of the MMJ issue. Till then, shit like this is to be expected, unfortunately. I do like our law, but it wasn't written with a whole lot of forethought in mind, otherwise they'd have written around most of the grey areas that we deal with now and kept the future out of the hands of the legislators.