Feds Move to Throw Pot Smokers in Prison for Impaired Driving

ANC

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If you smoked marijuana last week or even last month and you drive a car, you may be sent to prison under new guidelines drafted by the federal government.
The Obama administration released its National Drug Control Strategy guidelines last week. The federal government wants all of the states to adopt its authoritarian and draconian diktat and expand the drug war. From the guidelines:
Encourage States To Adopt Per Se Drug Impairment Laws [ONDCP]. State laws regarding impaired driving are varied, but most State codes do not contain a separate offense for driving under the influence of drugs (DUID). Therefore, few drivers are identified, prosecuted, or convicted for DUID. Law enforcement personnel usually cite individuals with the easier to prove driving while intoxicated (DWI) alcohol charges. Unclear laws provide vague signals both to drivers and to law enforcement, thereby minimizing the possible preventive benefit of DUID statutes. Fifteen states have passed laws clarifying that the presence of any illegal drug in a driver’s body is per se evidence of impaired driving. ONDCP will work to expand the use of this standard to other states and explore other ways to increase the enforcement of existing DUID laws.

Cannabis metabolites can remain detectable in the urine for up to 100 days or longer for a regular cannabis consumer and up to fifteen days for the casual consumer, according to NORML, the marijuana advocacy organization. In other words, even if a pot smoker is conscientious and does not drive while intoxicated, that person can be arrested and convicted for DUID days or weeks after consuming marijuana. It would not matter if you are sober as a teetotaler — if THC molecules are detected with a urine or blood test, you are probably going to prison. You can kiss the right to vote and own a firearm sayonara.

In 2007 there were 14.5 million current users of marijuana in the United States, compared with 14.6 million in 2002, while the number of Americans who have used marijuana increased.

The following states enforce “zero tolerance” draconian DUID laws:
Arizona: Zero tolerance for cannabis metabolites, mandatory 24 hours jail, up to 6 months upon conviction.
Delaware: Zero tolerance for cannabis metabolites.
Georgia: Zero tolerance for cannabis metabolites, mandatory 24 hours jail, up to 12 months upon conviction.
Illinois: Zero tolerance for cannabis metabolites, up to 12 moths upon conviction.
Indiana: Zero tolerance for cannabis metabolites, up to 60 days upon conviction.
Michigan: Zero tolerance for cannabis metabolites, up to 93 days upon conviction, vehicle immobilization for up to 180 days.
Nevada: 15 ng/ml for cannabis metabolites.
Ohio: 15 ng/ml for cannabis metabolites, mandatory 72 hours in jail, up to 6 months upon conviction, 6 month to 3 year license suspension.
Pennsylvania: DUID for cannabis metabolites, amount unclear.
South Dakota: Zero tolerance for cannabis metabolites for persons under the age of 21.
Utah: Zero tolerance for cannabis metabolites, mandatory 48 hours jail, up to 6 months upon conviction.
Obama’s new guidelines will criminalize and add to the system hundreds of thousands of people and add thousands of people to the prison industry slave labor complex. In 2007 an American was arrested on marijuana charges every 36 seconds. Obama will increase this criminalization rate significantly.
DUI checkpoints are on the rise around the country. In California, for instance, the state increased grants in 2009 by 47% for DUI checkpoints, including “roving” DUI patrols. 2010 was predicted to be “the year of the Checkpoint” in California. In California and elsewhere, these unconstitutional checkpoints are a highly profitable business for the state, netting billions of dollars every year.
Behavioral impairment is not the issue. Expanding the criminal class is the issue. Government will never rest until it categorizes most of us as criminals.

http://www.infowars.com/feds-move-to-throw-pot-smokers-in-prison-for-impaired-driving/
 

SocataSmoker

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Tisk tisk... I could see perhaps doing the saliva test as I agree that there should be laws against driving TOO stoned, but until companies figure out how to tell how stoned someone is, this is scary.
 

Sr. Verde

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You know, I was told recently that they did this test. But something like a year ago I was in an accident, they took my blood and tested it for alcohol (presumably). I never heard anything after that though even though I had been smoking heavily for weeks by that point (wasn't high at the time of the accident in case you were wondering)
 

SocataSmoker

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If I ever did get caught on this charge, I would CERTAINLY take my chances in court fighting it... the length of time the metabolites stay in your body give plenty of reasonable doubt as to whether a person was stoned or not at the time of the incident.
 

Iron, Lion, Zion

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I would be fine with it, if it was an on the spot test. However, since it looks like its just a normal drug test, that's kind of ridiculous (because of the length it stays in your system as mentioned above).
 

JustAnotherFriedDay

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Kind of sick really. Throwing more pot users in jail when some people can legally drive after drinking (if under the limit), yet even being a tiny bit buzzed off alc is much worse than being stoned. What a waste of money as well. the medical states are moving in the complete opposite direction as the states listed in the zero tolerance DUID laws. I'm glad i don't live in one of them.

this is just flat out a huge scam. they can't prove anything but because their laws say any illegal drug in your system, which im assuming they will loophole to mean even if that drug is not active, you are therefore under the influence.

the only problem for them, how are they going to test us for this? door to door? that'll go over well
 

Sr. Verde

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The federal government's Department of Transportation (DOT) did research with a fully interactive simulator on the effects of alcohol and marijuana, alone and in combination, on driver behavior and performance ("The Effects of Alcohol on Driver-Controlled Behavior in a Driving Simulator, Phase I," DOT-HS-806-414). The study found that alcohol consistently and significantly caused impairment -- but that marijuana only had an occasional effect.



Speeding tickets and accidents went up with the use of alcohol, but no marijuana influence on speeding and accidents was noted. Additionally, alcohol-impaired drivers who also smoked marijuana showed no additional impairment from the pot.



The California Department of Justice came to a different conclusion, claiming that marijuana does impair driving skills, particularly at high-dose levels or among inexperienced users ("Marijuana and Alcohol: A Driver Performance Study," California Office of Traffic Safety Project No. 087902).


But a more recent federal study found that "THC [the active ingredient in marijuana] is not a profoundly impairing drug... It apparently affects controlled information processing in a variety of laboratory tests, but not to the extent which is beyond the individual's ability to control when he is motivated and permitted to do so in driving" ("Marijuana and Actual Performance," DOT-HS-808-078).


The federal study says that "It appears not possible to conclude anything about a driver's impairment on the basis of his/her plasma concentrations of THC... determined in a single sample."


"In other words, (1) marijuana may not impair driving ability at all, and (2) the blood 'evidence' usually measures only an inactive substance which may have been present for days," said Taylor.
source: http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2010/03/attorney_marijuana_may_not_impair_driving_ability.php






Yeah, the government doesn't really run with the scientists. I mean for the last 30 years scientists have been coming with forward with EVIDENCE telling the government that weed is harmless. Test's and study's show it's medically beneficial, harmless, and that it should be unscheduled. Once you understand the whole thing completely you realize how ridiculous the government, along with all the officials that keep it illegal that basically say "I'm against changing the laws because it's against the law so I don't support it"



I could go on all day :neutral:

Oh well. :blsmoke:
 

JustAnotherFriedDay

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Yeah, I know what you mean Verde. I could go on all day too. But I need not waste energy on things I don't control. Especially if those things cause me to feel some anger. fuck the gov
 

tnrtinr

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All of this without understanding how cannabis affects driving ability. I have seen an unscientific test on Speed TV where the guy drove more safely while high than sober (it's on Youtube - I don't feel like looking it up).
 

Murfy

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fuck drivin-
try runnin this 30 ton excavator for awhile, try not to cut the electric cable , or gas line, big as your arm, remember an inch is a mile

OR

4 story 12/12(45 degrees) pitch today, you guys ready to kill some shingles, hold on SAFETY MEETING FIRST!
THE SHIT I DO WHILE HIGH these fuckers couldn't have done in their finest hour, and i've been goin 25 years
 

mjetta

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So how are they going to measure how high you are? I don't think people should be drivin high, but this will never work
 

doc111

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All of this without understanding how cannabis affects driving ability. I have seen an unscientific test on Speed TV where the guy drove more safely while high than sober (it's on Youtube - I don't feel like looking it up).
Is this the one?:eyesmoke:


[youtube]68xS0lZ6GA4[/youtube]
 

husalife

~ Out-Dawrz ~ Moderator ~
Ive done everything from Residential Electricity, Commercial Electricity, Skidder driver/logger, Computer coordinator All Stoned every day.

I could pass any driving test or ability test put in front of me while im high, lol, Weed will forever be the devil to the rest of the world.

Its just nuts.
 

Smotz

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I can tell you for sure that I drive alot safer and more cautious when I'm stoned, than when I'm sober. Driving sober I tend to speed around alot, and not really give a fuck about how I'm driving. Driving stoned is the exact opposite for me, as I'm much more paranoid about something bad happening, which is a helluva lot safer for everyone. I guess that's yet another to the long list of BS laws that I'll be breaking on a daily basis for the rest of my life. Sure will fuck over alot of good people's lives out there though, but they want to keep us down through any means possible.

Yet another reason to never obey, and resist to the end. :peace:
 

heathaa

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you know what sux. i blew zeros on the breathalizer and got a dui cuz i said i smoked the day before and they said affects last 24 hours so i got a dui. fucking pigs!!!!!!!!
 
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