Feds: Medical Marijuana Patients Have No Right to Second Amendment

bonsai123

Member
Here is an interesting article. The use of the classification of marijuana as schedule 1 denies you your right to own a firearm. It needs to be changed NOW. This is getting ridiculous. The feds are out of control.

Feds: Medical Marijuana Patients Have No Right to Second Amendment


I can see now a list of medical marijuana patients which has to be searched before a dealer could sell you a gun, ammunition or even BBs for your sons BB gun. Next it will be you can't fly on a plane or take a train if you are a medical marijuana patient. List after list after list. When will it end?
 

irieie

Well-Known Member
this has been the feds stance for a while. if you grow or possess in large amounts (enough to warrant attention from the feds) i would not have a gun in the same location. it is an additional charge which tacks on a good amount of time.
 

plantmagic

Active Member
Nothing has changed in the policy or the wording. If you do not tell them you are using it they do not know. Just because you have a mmj card does not mean you use marijuana. I have prescriptions for vicodin but I don't use it. They are still asking the same question, are you a user of or addicted to illegal drugs including marijuana. My wife has her card but has never tried marijuana.
 

BeaverHuntr

Well-Known Member
this has been the feds stance for a while. if you grow or possess in large amounts (enough to warrant attention from the feds) i would not have a gun in the same location. it is an additional charge which tacks on a good amount of time.
This is 100% true...
 

GreatwhiteNorth

Global Moderator
Staff member
If you lie on BATF form 4473, you perjurer yourself and be prosecuted.
If you tell the truth you have your rights taken away.
Catch 22.
 

irieie

Well-Known Member
If you lie on BATF form 4473, you perjurer yourself and be prosecuted.
If you tell the truth you have your rights taken away.
Catch 22.
i see one viable solution and that is private sale. go to a gun show or look on backpage. i sold all my guns to individuals. one was a former boss and the other was a national gaurdsman i found on backpage. in AZ it is %100 to do this. you dont need any documentation or anything, but i highly advise in writing up a little contract just in case. as for buying privately usually the seller just wants his money back. bring cash and you'll get something. oh and technically, if you are a patient your marijuana is the same as prescription medicine and the last i checked you can still buy a gun in AZ if you take 300mg of oxy a day.
 
Here is some more of that ...

“The U.S. Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Bureau, the same agency that lets drug cartel members buy guns, is warning firearms dealers not to sell to medical marijuana users. In an open letter to the nation’s licensed firearms sellers, the ATF reminds dealers that federal law prohibits any user of a controlled substance from possessing or buying guns.
 

MurshDawg

Active Member
But According to AMMA the state cannot disclose any one's status as a card holder to the authorities. For the feds to prosecute perjury for violating BATF form policy would mean they would have to break state law. Not saying that the feds would get in trouble but it would at least leave them in a legally actionable position for a lawsuit. I agree if you have a gun don't have in the place you grow. Good observation, irieie. You can buy private, it's still legal to do that.
 

irieie

Well-Known Member
Here is some more of that ...

“The U.S. Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Bureau, the same agency that lets drug cartel members buy guns, is warning firearms dealers not to sell to medical marijuana users. In an open letter to the nation’s licensed firearms sellers, the ATF reminds dealers that federal law prohibits any user of a controlled substance from possessing or buying guns.
they wont sell to mmj users but they sold a shitload of illegal guns to the cartels and let them all go into mexico. another example of our fine government at work.
 

fatboyOGOF

Well-Known Member
nut job beerocrats run wild! these bullshit ideas usually spring from some life long gubment employee! they love coming up with bullshit ways to fuck with people! they are addicted to rules and regs and crushing those who don't obey!
 

irieie

Well-Known Member
bhahaha the cops are trying to sell mexican shwagg on the street. this is all kinds of fucked up and illegal. they let 350 pounds of drugs back onto the street. that is a big no no. i am sure nothing will be done about the fuck up though. gilbert's finest doing their job again.
 

BeaverHuntr

Well-Known Member
bhahaha the cops are trying to sell mexican shwagg on the street. this is all kinds of fucked up and illegal. they let 350 pounds of drugs back onto the street. that is a big no no. i am sure nothing will be done about the fuck up though. gilbert's finest doing their job again.
I did laugh when I read it.. Gilbert PD trying to use snitches and reselling cartel goods.. Wow here we are fighting the cartels and the Gilbert PD puts their merchandise back on the streets... lol
 

panhead

Well-Known Member
bhahaha the cops are trying to sell mexican shwagg on the street. this is all kinds of fucked up and illegal. they let 350 pounds of drugs back onto the street. that is a big no no. i am sure nothing will be done about the fuck up though. gilbert's finest doing their job again.
The part that got me the most is where the cops say "police are no longer used in reverse sting operations",informants are used instead.

Aint it nice how all the danger in every police action is now placed on the citizen,no matter what issue is involved its the same,policy policy changes & agressive training has made it so every instance where a citizen has contact with a policeman a life is at stake.

I have an ongoing issue with those mother fuckers my own self as we speak,im waiting for word from my bank before i make a thread about what they just pulled on me.
 

BeaverHuntr

Well-Known Member
The part that got me the most is where the cops say "police are no longer used in reverse sting operations",informants are used instead.

Aint it nice how all the danger in every police action is now placed on the citizen,no matter what issue is involved its the same,policy policy changes & agressive training has made it so every instance where a citizen has contact with a policeman a life is at stake.



I have an ongoing issue with those mother fuckers my own self as we speak,im waiting for word from my bank before i make a thread about what they just pulled on me.
I hear you dude, all you Med patients myself included need to stay away from Gilbert, they think they are the Gestapo. Dont go anywhere near that place unless you have to. And dont carry meds there.
 

irieie

Well-Known Member
The part that got me the most is where the cops say "police are no longer used in reverse sting operations",informants are used instead.

Aint it nice how all the danger in every police action is now placed on the citizen,no matter what issue is involved its the same,policy
yeah it seems like the under cover officers were getting a little jumpy and pulled guns a little too quickly. people were getting killed over nothing. this is not something that hillbilly superman cops should be doing. they think they are starring in their own movie or some shit and they wonder why people were getting shot.
 

panhead

Well-Known Member
yeah it seems like the under cover officers were getting a little jumpy and pulled guns a little too quickly. people were getting killed over nothing. this is not something that hillbilly superman cops should be doing. they think they are starring in their own movie or some shit and they wonder why people were getting shot.
They are allways jumpy with the gun play nowdays.

I was arrested & sent to prison in the late 70's early 80's on 2 occasions,one was for a mj related offense (growing) & the other was for a violent felony offense which was getting payback on a known gang member who robbed me at gun point,without going into a huge story i found the peice of shit crip's member who pistol whipped me later on & beat him within an inch of death so i did some time in prison for beating him.

When i was arrested on the violent felony i was allowed to walk out of my home via police commands over the car loudspeaker,walk to within 10 ft of the cops then turn around on my own,put my hands behind my back to be hand cuffed,then walk to the car without a cop even touching me.

Since my conviction nearly 40 years ago when police run my name it comes up as Code 10,this means violent offender approach with extreme caution,now as soon as they run my name the guns come out,several times its been shotguns,if its a lone cop they allways call for back up & then all of em get their guns out.

Every time its the same deal,even though im visably disabled they force me to lay on the ground,all the time screaming at me to keep my hands above my head,again im visably disabled & cant lay down on my own bed without the use of my hands let alone lay down in the middle of the road without the help of my hands,explaining this to them is inpossible every time,every cop who's done this to me is so pumped on steroids & adrenilan they flip out when i use my hands to get down on my hands & knees before laying face down.

Every time once im on my stomache i get a 220 lb knee in my spine,several times i only made it to my hands & knees when i was attacked full force,once while i was on my hands & knees trying to lay face down i was grabbed from behind around the waist,picked up from hands & knees,reverse bear hugged then slammed to the ground,then wrestled onto my stomache & hand cuffed then drug by my feet to the cop car & thrown in by 3 cops.

All this while my wife who was 7 months pregnant & my 80 year old mother watched,then the cop who slammed me was going to hurt my mother he was in such a rage,he kept screaming at her to get out of tue car,she was paralized by fear & she couldnt move she just kept begging the cop "please dont hurt me,im 80 yrs old & i cant take that treatment,please dont hurt me",that cop was ready to yank her from the car until a county sherrif who showed up on the scene intervined.

All that shit over a fix it traffic stop,i was taking mom & the wife to dinner & had a blown out tail light,we tried to sue the cop involved in slamming me & called the sherrif as a wittness,he couldnt be there in person & was allowed to give a statement where he said the police acted in a professional manner seeing that i refused to follow direct orders from the cop.

My disability is from a crushed spine,to this day i still have not healed from the body slam & i never will,all over a traffic stop where he could have let me stay in the car & handed me a fix it ticket & let me drive off.

This is how much police policy has changed tword violence on citizens.
 

BeaverHuntr

Well-Known Member
They are allways jumpy with the gun play nowdays.

I was arrested & sent to prison in the late 70's early 80's on 2 occasions,one was for a mj related offense (growing) & the other was for a violent felony offense which was getting payback on a known gang member who robbed me at gun point,without going into a huge story i found the peice of shit crip's member who pistol whipped me later on & beat him within an inch of death so i did some time in prison for beating him.

When i was arrested on the violent felony i was allowed to walk out of my home via police commands over the car loudspeaker,walk to within 10 ft of the cops then turn around on my own,put my hands behind my back to be hand cuffed,then walk to the car without a cop even touching me.

Since my conviction nearly 40 years ago when police run my name it comes up as Code 10,this means violent offender approach with extreme caution,now as soon as they run my name the guns come out,several times its been shotguns,if its a lone cop they allways call for back up & then all of em get their guns out.

Every time its the same deal,even though im visably disabled they force me to lay on the ground,all the time screaming at me to keep my hands above my head,again im visably disabled & cant lay down on my own bed without the use of my hands let alone lay down in the middle of the road without the help of my hands,explaining this to them is inpossible every time,every cop who's done this to me is so pumped on steroids & adrenilan they flip out when i use my hands to get down on my hands & knees before laying face down.

Every time once im on my stomache i get a 220 lb knee in my spine,several times i only made it to my hands & knees when i was attacked full force,once while i was on my hands & knees trying to lay face down i was grabbed from behind around the waist,picked up from hands & knees,reverse bear hugged then slammed to the ground,then wrestled onto my stomache & hand cuffed then drug by my feet to the cop car & thrown in by 3 cops.

All this while my wife who was 7 months pregnant & my 80 year old mother watched,then the cop who slammed me was going to hurt my mother he was in such a rage,he kept screaming at her to get out of tue car,she was paralized by fear & she couldnt move she just kept begging the cop "please dont hurt me,im 80 yrs old & i cant take that treatment,please dont hurt me",that cop was ready to yank her from the car until a county sherrif who showed up on the scene intervined.

All that shit over a fix it traffic stop,i was taking mom & the wife to dinner & had a blown out tail light,we tried to sue the cop involved in slamming me & called the sherrif as a wittness,he couldnt be there in person & was allowed to give a statement where he said the police acted in a professional manner seeing that i refused to follow direct orders from the cop.

My disability is from a crushed spine,to this day i still have not healed from the body slam & i never will,all over a traffic stop where he could have let me stay in the car & handed me a fix it ticket & let me drive off.

This is how much police policy has changed tword violence on citizens.

N.W.A Said it best!
 
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