Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???

i really had to read threw that damn old book to show this.... marijuana botany

"...an enzyme system which quickly converts CBD-acid to THC-acid, favoring THC-acid accumulation. Fiber strains lack this enzyme activity, so CBD-acid accumulalion is favored since there is little con version to THC-acid. These same enzyme systems are also sensitive to changes in heat and light."

I've read stuff about it else were but you made me made so im getting off. I'll be back on after I drank my anger to boiling point to boil it out woo hoo alcohol yeast shit.

hexthat said:

i really had to read threw that damn old book to show this.... marijuana botany

"...an enzyme system which quickly converts CBD-acid to THC-acid, favoring THC-acid accumulation. Fiber strains lack this enzyme activity, so CBD-acid accumulalion is favored since there is little con version to THC-acid. These same enzyme systems are also sensitive to changes in heat and light."

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Good thing you wasted your time doing that.

I called him book smart? lol.. I might've been wrong.

studies by Brenneisen (1984)...difference in UV-B absorption between THC and CBD, and the absorptive properties of CBC proved considerably greater than either. The relationship between the cannabinoids and UV-B is not so direct as first supposed. Two other explanations must now be considered. Even if CBD absorbs on par with THC, in areas of high ambient UV-B, the former compound may be more rapidly degraded. This could lower the availability of CBD present or render it the less energetically efficient compound to produce by the plant. Alternatively, the greater UV-B absorbency of CBC compared to THC and the relative stability of CBC compared to CBD might nominate this compound as the protective screening substance. The presence of large amounts of THC would then have to be explained as merely an accumulated storage compound at the end of the enzyme-mediated cannabinoid pathway.

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I hope you can comprehend this...
I'll try and dumb it down for you THC is for protection from light when light hits it it absorbs the light and degrades....

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Even if CBD absorbs on par with THC, in areas of high ambient UV-B, the former compound may be more rapidly degraded. This could lower the availability of CBD present or render it the less energetically efficient compound to produce by the plant. "

Former as in previous. In the first sentence the author lists cbd and thc in that order. The word former, is used in past tense. You know "the former, or "the latter". The only thing in that whole paragraph that mentions degradation is referring to cbd.
Goddamn you're a blockhead. I'm outta here.

hexthat said:

The "shade leafs" grow them in the dark and feed them the sugars they make from the light creating better weed.

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Thanks for the info. I'm gonna go cover all my buds with socks and paper bags so only leaf gets light. It'll be the best harvest ever! Who says the internet growers don't give the best tips?!

I'll keep getting my $3k a pound while your still getting your $1k pound.
Yeild and density do not mater at all only potency.

hexthat said:

I'll keep getting my $3k a pound while your still getting your $1k pound.
Yeild and density do not mater at all only potency.

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Guess what dumb ass.. I get more than 3k so sorry about your schwag and your insufficient lighting lmao.

I doubt highly you have ever harvested a pound anyways dipshit.

stumpjumper said:

You're wrong..

Buds do contain their own leaves besides the fan leaves, maybe they use those once the fan is gone. That's incomprehensible though huh?

So tell me then Mr. All Knowing.. Why do they green up, mature and get fatter once they start getting direct light, if it isn't because the fan leaf is gone? They wouldn't have when the fan leaf was there blocking the light. You can argue all you want but the direct light is beneficial and I've seen it first hand on many occasions.

You can argue till you're blue in the face but you will not change my mind because my opinion is based on experience. You are basing yours on what someone else says.

Sorry bout the Uncle Buck thing, I guess you reminded me of someone else.

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i completely agree with this guy....in case anybody gives a shit

uvb light degrades thc on a living plant? So all that high altitude outdoor grown stuff should be bunk?

If I see lower buds that develop better with increased direct light exposure I have a bias confirmation?

I have seen the results but should trust a scientist from several decades ago who worked out his 'facts' from observation of others grows? Doing what works for me is just me selectively choosing methods based on my preconceived notions about how things work?

I guess you 'leave dem leaves alone boy!' types were right again. You remind me of guys like Jerry Falwell with your religious fervor and lack of any acceptance that your ways might not be the end all of growing 'science'

The 'pluckers' do not come across as fanatical as the others for the most part. I think that says something and it is not good for the 'scientists'. I am neutral on the matter and figure it is about a draw on yield doing either one. How you pluck would have a lot to do with it also.

I just take some leaves off for space constraint reasons but notice increased growth and maturity of lower buds or any others, that get good direct light on them. Confirmation bias, gotcha.

Uncle Ben said:

Looks like a lot of fan leaves to me. .

Uncle Ben

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hahahaha....really? Only took under 1 hour to trim that top plant Got 4.5 oz.

this is what I call alot of fan leaves....took over 5 hours to trim this bitch 4 oz



Took 2 more hours final trim..... after I spent 3 hours getting the plant to this point

hey colonuggs, nice fucking plant. that thing is huggge. how did u get her to yeild so much? what wattage was she under?

oh thats a sativa isnt it? thats why its big im guessing

There is something to be said for removing entire shoots below the canopy. If they [sub-canopy foliage] end up producing buds at all they will be really under-developed, not worth smoking and not worth the time to trim. Basically shoots are suckers and the reasoning behind removing them is that the plant uses the energy it would have used on trying to develop that larfy garbage, to further grow/fill out the top shoots above the canopy. I have heard people claim that you get the same weight at the end without the larfy garbage. However there is no way to really measure or prove this hypothesis. I remove the sub-canopy leaves because trimming larf makes me angry and it increases airflow below the canopy promoting gas exchange and hindering any potential mold growth. I you saw the video from the Jorge Cervantes link, I wont go into food storage/production, but any leaf that gets good light or is associated with a budding shoot or bud-site, leave it. if it is really blocking a lower bud and you cant resist the urge to snip, just remove half of the leaf (like when cloning) or only the "fingers" of the fan that are blocking.

The above advice is for indoor grows. Outdoors, its a little different...if you even trim at all.

Uncle Pirate said:

[video=youtube;8Zqe4ZV9LDs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8Zqe4ZV9LDs[/video]

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Excellent!

hexthat said:

Where is the plants growth hormones forum I've done lots of research on this. Why I will always use superthrive, unless I'm growing organic bunk weed.

I have yet to smoke any good organic better then chem hydro.

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LOL you obviously havent met any of the right growers.

bde0001 said:

hey colonuggs, nice fucking plant. that thing is huggge. how did u get her to yeild so much? what wattage was she under?

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She is one of a few under 4-1000s..... hahahha man that hexthat dude is crackin me up

hexthat said:

light degrades thc!!!!!!!!!!!

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yep but only after harvest if you let the dried marijuana sit out in the light....not while your growin it

hexthat said:

why do you think they go amber? they just magically do it?

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hahahaha no its due to the bud itself maturing not the light degrading the trichs... all trichs go through the same process clear cloudy amber... its a time thing not a light thing

Some buds just grow fat under the lights with minimal leaves... its all the genectics of the plant.....

colonuggs said:

She is one of a few under 4-1000s..... hahahha man that hexthat dude is crackin me up

yep but only after harvest if you let the dried marijuana sit out in the light....not while your growin it

hahahaha no its due to the bud itself maturing not the light degrading the trichs... all trichs go through the same process clear cloudy amber... its a time thing not a light thing

Some buds just grow fat under the lights with minimal leaves... its all the genectics of the plant.....

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THC degrades in living plants... its replaced if the plant is healthy. Under nugs produce buds with high THC ratios then tops! THC is a molecule that regardless of whether its in a living bud or dried bud degrades from absorbing light.

Your all so tarded you think when the degraded THC is replaced that its not degrading.

THC can be used for energy by cannabis just like any other carbohydrate, although it does not fallow the 1:2:1 ratio it does convert easily into a sugar threw hydrolysis, oxidation, or reduction.

THC also degrade without light by oxidation, air tight containers are needed.

Oxidation of THC does not happen in living buds like in dried buds I think this is where you all are getting stuck on.