Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???

The previous pictures are of 2 different large outdoor females that I pushed over. Most people do the exact opposite, they trelice and stick, and support any way they can. And that's mostly because when any part of the budding site touches the ground, especially when there is any moisture present. The bud degrades or shwags out, when this happens. Also the other main factor is, they break in the wind, and or get pushed over unintentionally....


Both of these pics are of the same plant. this one was one of the most sativa. when I pushed this one over. It was about 6 feet tall, and just starting to shoot hairs. It was straight up and down, no branching, and had not been pruned.

But you can see the multi headed beast it turned into. Basicaly all the nodes producing heads equal to the main cola.

Apomixis said:

Someone explain to me how buds fatten up due to exposure to light?
Are the buds making leaves or the other way around?

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Here in 'Bazzaro World' it seems its the buds is where photosynthesis occurs. Those of us in the real world know otherwise...

Apomixis said:

Someone explain to me how buds fatten up due to exposure to light?
Are the buds making leaves or the other way around?

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Buds are more or less leaf, with trichomes stuck on. What you are actually doing is growing a crop trichomes. So buds fatten up by putting on veg material. Which in turn is sort of the growing medium for trichomes. Remember oil is heavy, so it's weight you want to put on not just size.

So cannabis floral structures (buds) also do the same photosynthesis work as leaves do? So if I stripped every leaf on a cannabis plant, it can still accumulate the needed energy thru the floral sites?

cannawizard said:

So cannabis floral structures (buds) also do the same photosynthesis work as leaves do? So if I stripped every leaf on a cannabis plant, it can still accumulate the needed energy thru the floral sites?

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Uhh.. by all means, please - let us know how that works out... hahaha - that said, why debate this when you can train the fan leaves and cause long shoots so they keep getting the required light without blocking other parts of the plant you want more exposed to the light? The best of both worlds. (But, I'm sure someone will say that the fan leaves use more energy than they produce.. so am ready for a new twist to the debate)

It's more like battery power. The more leaf you have, the more stored energy you can tap into. But the plant can still run on direct current so to speak. If the leaf is mostly removed, and the plant is mature enough to handle it.

Vincent VonBlown said:

It's more like battery power. The more leaf you have, the more stored energy you can tap into. But the plant can still run on direct current so to speak. If the leaf is mostly removed, and the plant is mature enough to handle it.

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Wow, you're half insane.. am not sure how to approach this one.. so will try it blunt force trauma. Will start with.. you remind me of bmeat. That said - leaves + tons of trichomes = less spectrum available statistically .. leaves with less trichomes = more spectrum statistically. Trichomes are a leaf natural defense system against UVB, which depending on the bulb you have can make a hell of a difference.. and is why a few tend to switch from HPS to MH for the last week. Piling on the trichs last minute is a great way to ensure solid light coverage up to the end, and still not lose out on the added benefit.

But hey, the bottom line is this. Some plants will be more receptive to certain techniques then others. And what works for you, works for you, simple as that.

I saw a thread on here where a guy is starting from seed with no veg time, and is getting solid 2 to 3 foot colas that look like they came off a giant outdoor plant.

Now I'd say that was impossible, every plant I've tried that with, produces little or nothing with no veg time. From what I've found plants usually double their size from their vegatative point. So, no veg, no yield, pretty simple right?

But it's a huge long thread, and people seem to be popping all over in it, getting similar results.

Now are they all lying? I don't know, I'd think they were, but hey maybe not right? Who knows for sure?

Figong said:

Wow, you're half insane.. am not sure how to approach this one.. so will try it blunt force trauma. Will start with.. you remind me of bmeat. That said - leaves + tons of trichomes = less spectrum available statistically .. leaves with less trichomes = more spectrum statistically. Trichomes are a leaf natural defense system against UVB, which depending on the bulb you have can make a hell of a difference.. and is why a few tend to switch from HPS to MH for the last week. Piling on the trichs last minute is a great way to ensure solid light coverage up to the end, and still not lose out on the added benefit.

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First off, don't be rude to people, it won't get you anywhere. I'm not nuts or whacko anymore then you are...

We've run production clones 24/7 365 days a year, for a long time at the Wonder gardens.

And YOU are growing trichomes, not leaf right? You don't smoke leaf do you?

Vincent VonBlown said:

But hey, the bottom line is this. Some plants will be more receptive to certain techniques then others. And what works for you, works for you, simple as that.

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Nothing in the cannabis group is more receptive when chopping off its energy source, shocking it(see: stressing), and stunting the growth

Vincent VonBlown said:

I saw a thread on here where a guy is starting from seed with no veg time, and is getting solid 2 to 3 foot colas that look like they came off a giant outdoor plant.

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Yes, we call that very nice veg lighting, it's just a matter of implementing it as affordable

Vincent VonBlown said:

Now I'd say that was impossible, every plant I've tried that with, produces little or nothing with no veg time. From what I've found plants usually double their size from their vegatative point. So, no veg, no yield, pretty simple right?

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Have you seen some of the 12/12 from seed grows? They directly contradict your statement.

Vincent VonBlown said:

But it's a huge long thread, and people seem to be popping all over in it, getting similar results.

Now are they all lying? I don't know, I'd think they were, but hey maybe not right? Who knows for sure?

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Yes, it is a long thread.. 'similar results' is up for debate, and no.. they're not lying - the difference lies in the skilled hand, and grow conditions.. without those 2 things, nothing else you can do will make much else of a difference. (short of having a 3rd party do the growing for you)

Bud Brewer said:

-- On Defoliation -- I have wasted plenty of time trying to get the ignorant to understand another training method but Ignorance is bliss enjoy your plants one day you may have the balls to try something new and get some actual experience and results good luck to you all Bud Brewer out.

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I try whatever technique(s) I feel that each plant wants; LST, super-cropping, fimming, topping, all natural. I haven't tried defoliation but I didn't say it's BAD, I just don't do it b/c no plant has asked for it. I guess I'll conclude by saying that this post was created to start a debate - and just because most people don't practice what you practice, and want to keep it that way, does not justify you acting like a teenager (unless you are a teenager).

I assumed me trying to dumb down the information, would still lead (as usual) to some people being confused

But you ARE growing trichomes AKA oil. You don't smoke veg matter if you don't have to, that counts for nothing.

Actually I've seen some long time growers of (serious seeds - ak47) being able to pull huge single colas from that method (12/12 from the very start).. I haven't done it myself, but I have seen several results that indicate that its plausible~

Not here to argue, but I can't wrap myself around how cannabis floral sites (which is pretty much comprised of sepals) --just what I've read..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepal
Are able to provide the needed energy to power the plant into creating more buds (sepals)..
Wouldn't that just make it hard for the plant to rely on the floral sites to create more floral sites?

cannawizard said:

Actually I've seen some long time growers of (serious seeds - ak47) being able to pull huge single colas from that method (12/12 from the very start).. I haven't done it myself, but I have seen several results that indicate that its plausible~

Not here to argue, but I can't wrap myself around how cannabis floral sites (which is pretty much comprised of sepals) --just what I've read..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepal
Are able to provide the needed energy to power the plant into creating more buds (sepals)..
Wouldn't that just make it hard for the plant to rely on the floral sites to create more floral sites?

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Yup, and that's why choppin' leaves is not the brightest of ideas in any fashion, and re-training them is a hell of a lot better - imho, anyway.

In your opinion.

There you go, you don't know it all do you?

lol

And that's pretty simple! Like I said more then once. What works for you, works for you.

People that want to insult you, or force their opinoin. Are seldom those that get the respect they desire.

This thread is silly, your not going to come out much better one way or the other on this leaf removel deal.

Standing here arguing about it is a waste of time...

So, I'm off to do better things

@Vincent --I'm just here taking notes, which strains were you working with? I'd like to see which strains people used with defol techniques, so I know which strains to use in later defol tests

Vincent VonBlown said:

In your opinion.

There you go, you don't know it all do you?

lol

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Nope, never once claimed to know it all.. not sure where that was derived from.

Vincent VonBlown said:

And that's pretty simple! Like I said more then once. What works for you, works for you.

People that want to insult you, or force their opinoin. Are seldom those that get the respect they desire.

This thread is silly, your not going to come out much better one way or the other on this leaf removel deal.

Standing here arguing about it is a waste of time...

So, I'm off to do better things

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This.. I will agree with.

Apomixis said:

Someone explain to me how buds fatten up due to exposure to light?
Are the buds making leaves or the other way around?

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I was about to respond to a previous post about "buds need the light" when you took the words right out of my mouth. For some strange reason, many folks think that the flowers need light to develop. You especially see this train of thought amongst newbies. It's become a paradigm, like flushing. Never have quite understood it other than it fits the old internet cliche' - "if someone says it and it's repeated on the internet, then it must be true."

UB