Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???

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Slab

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In my experience, LegallyFlying Is absolutely correct
Above was 8 lb. of dried fantastic MMJ. I would usually get around 6-7 lbs. until I aggressively lollipoped, and removed fan leaves that would not stay tucked from the canopy. BTW, it is a low yielding strain. I also found that if I were to leave fan leaves underneath the canopy the plant would release them daily- this prompted me to remove them all ( all below the canopy ) with in the first 2 weeks of 12/12- my thought process was to leave them during the "stretch" to lessen the stretch by using up some of the plants resources I also left a few under shoots, too, for this reason. a few cycles later, at a different location, I was unable to easily thin the canopy and I yielded only 2.5 lbs. per box- the same plants; the same food regiment; the same temps and humidity- identical. This has been my experience.
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Dialed in, well done.

was looking for a Gorilla to come rushing out of it at any moment.

I do see a loss when I see all that barren space. i am sure you can get production out of that area. your colas are not showing a boost from the removal above normal output or am I mistaken. were they larger and or denser? also, did it extend your flowering time?

just not enough light to get through or not enough nitrogen causing all the drop, i am still learning.
 

Moon Goblin

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Dialed in, well done.
was looking for a Gorilla to come rushing out of it at any moment.
I do see a loss when I see all that barren space. i am sure you can get production out of that area. your colas are not showing a boost from the removal above normal
output or am I mistaken. were they larger and or denser? also, did it extend your flowering time?
just not enough light to get through or not enough nitrogen causing all the drop, i am still learning.
:lol:, thank you for the kind comment.

I saw an increase in both bud size and density (the strain is a low producer)-- I have grown a "haze" strain for 13 weeks and received close to 7 lbs. in just one of the

boxes pictured. The lower level receives no light with the door on. Also, the flowering time was about the same (56 days). If I was able (amp limitation) to add PAR (a light underneath), perhaps it

could be used-- however, it is my belief that even if i were able to, the plant would produce the same amount of flower- unless, I were to change other factors in addition (such as the amount of food fed, and/or a larger root mas).

My method of growing creates all top quality buds, without a variation in density or potency... or, so I believe;)

It is also my belief that I am getting close to all this strain is able to produce, given such factors as root mas, CO2 (I dont supplement any), amount of nutrients applied to the root zone, and PAR-- all of which is at their full capacity given my situation, or limitations
 

charface

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This makes me wonder about another aspect.

I have never tried major defoliating so I have no idea but
what happens if you over nute or have other problems? Usually you would see it in leaf. Are you still able to read the plants and do the leafs not act as a buffer?
Honest question. Thanks
 

smellzlikeskunkyum

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about the OP. i pluck fans ALOT in veg and only in very early flower. u need to do it systematically IMO. yes it certainly increases bud sites and growth when done properly. u need a healthy plant with good roots too... some strains hate it tho. usually the non toppers.
 

Moon Goblin

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This makes me wonder about another aspect.

I have never tried major defoliating so I have no idea but
what happens if you over nute or have other problems? Usually you would see it in leaf. Are you still able to read the plants and do the leafs not act as a buffer?
Honest question. Thanks
I have worked with this specific strain for years and years, so I'm not too worried about deficiencies or problems related to food or environment-- but, you bring up a good point-- one I would take into consideration if I were to experiment with either new genetics, or a new "food" regiment. Even, a new environment.
 

Ninjabowler

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why did Dog put all these leaves on my plant? :cuss:
Baaahahahahaa....if you want to get more light to them just "scrog" them. Pull them apart to let light in, so to speak. Scrog trims leaves and bottom branches that will have zero light penetration to them, under the canopy. The branches with buds, light, leaves, and magic powers above the trellis thank you for under shucking in scrog but if you can avoid it, avoid it except when you think theres going to be waste. IMPO
 

Ninjabowler

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Lol.

I think when they cut off everything for a SCROG they do it before flip, or before flowering at least. I trim everything from the bottom six inches of the plant right before I flip.

And yea, the leaves absorb all that energy. Some people tie them or pin them down gently, the most I ever do is kinda tuck them down a little bit if there's a bigger bud next to them.
I cut mine off two weeks after i flip but shoulda done three I think. They streched.
 

colonuggs

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ohh shit.... where did all the leaves go?? I was told you cant take off the leaves :)



before .... plants striped almost bare after the onset (the stretch)






.........after.....shit nug city........i guess defolage doesnt work:)



 

Sunbiz1

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ohh shit.... where did all the leaves go?? I was told you cant take off the leaves :)



before .... plants striped almost bare after the onset (the stretch)






.........after.....shit nug city........i guess defolage doesnt work:)



Hehe!, end of debate right here.
 

legallyflying

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ohh shit.... where did all the leaves go?? I was told you cant take off the leaves :)



before .... plants striped almost bare after the onset (the stretch)






.........after.....shit nug city........i guess defolage doesnt work:)



Yeah, the buds look great, but your missing out on all that wonderful kief. I'll say it again, I smoke the leaves and throw the buds away.
 

keebo3000

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Here we go day number 14 of 12/12 and im about to do a full on extreme de-leafing!!!!!!2ndweekofFlower1stdeleaf 001.jpg2ndweekofFlower1stdeleaf 002.jpg2ndweekofFlower1stdeleaf 003.jpg2ndweekofFlower1stdeleaf 004.jpg2ndweekofFlower1stdeleaf 005.jpg2ndweekofFlower1stdeleaf 006.jpg Wish me luck... or hate... I am truly loving this experiment!!
 

giantsfan24

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Here we go day number 14 of 12/12 and im about to do a full on extreme de-leafing!!!!!!View attachment 2467007View attachment 2467008View attachment 2467009View attachment 2467010View attachment 2467012View attachment 2467013 Wish me luck... or hate... I am truly loving this experiment!!
So what's your plan? I wouldn't just go about snipping off leaves without a plan..just sayin..

You want to do this carefully especially if you haven't already done a little defoliating/pruning in veg..

Just trying to be of service..not trying to offend.

Namaste
 

keebo3000

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So what's your plan? I wouldn't just go about snipping off leaves without a plan..just sayin..

You want to do this carefully especially if you haven't already done a little defoliating/pruning in veg..

Just trying to be of service..not trying to offend.
Namaste

the plan was to remove all fan leaves large or medium and yes this entire run i've been DE-leafing since third node........ and here are my strippers ready for the pole.....View attachment 2467212defoiliation3 003.jpgView attachment 2467214View attachment 2467216
 
nice keebo,keep doing your thanng. I've been catching up and reading up, looking forward to seeing your results. defoliating goes against all your intuition, but results don't lie. only thing I wished you had kept a control plant to compare. but good job and I'm looking forward to your next pix.

p.s. f them haters :)
 

Moon Goblin

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Keebo3000,
I am super interested in how your grow comes out. Could I possibly talk you into a grow journal? perhaps, with a weekly up date with pictures?
 
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