Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???

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Sir.Ganga

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chuck estevez said:
That's like telling the a/c tech with 30 years experience to go back to school. I thought experience was something that made you the authority on that subject. I guess the newb who just graduated is gonna come in and try and tell him how to do stuff. It just doesn't make sense in my book.
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Exactly! If a tech walked into my jobsite and boasted 30yrs experience but did not take any refresher courses in that 30 yrs, he would be kicked to the curb, without updating their knowledge base they aren't licensed for long and end up the Xpert at Home Depot! What about doctors? They never take refreshers? Come on Chuck....You can do better than that.

rollitup said:
Heehee! Thank you, Man! I needed a belly laugh when I got home.

Yeah, Ben, maybe in your 2nd 40 years of growing you will know as much as this kid. :lol:


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40 years! WOW i'm impressed! 40 years of growing what? An EGO maybe...Looks to me you wasted 40yrs.

Look people I have shown you pics of bumber crop after bumper crop, I have explained my process and shown my results. My methods have been implimented over the last 20yrs with results that have doubled my yeild over the years. I have yet to see any results of any of these three trolls, why? They put up pictures of low producing plants, spindly colas and try to sell it as "I grow better than you". I don't play that game, I know better, why...because I update my knowledge base and am open to trying new ideas.

We all grow differently and there isn't nothing wrong with that but when you bully someone, cut them down or make crude statemments about their abilities or grow, it just shows that you have no ability to pleed your case.

Supertramp...Some of your pics looks very healthy, you really should try a couple of these techniques. A simple topping of your plants will double your output and give you an even canopy
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Its not something that happens overnight but trying one little thing like topping the main can and does make a huge difference.

Chucky...Wher are your numbers and pics? You said to me that I'm jealous and want followers, that statement alone shows why you come on hear. Show us what you think is a beauty looks like, if you can.

Uncle Popcorn....40 year knowledge base and you haven't learnt to increase yeild. They now offer horticulture classes all over, you should enroll and update your old ways because you refuse to listen to reason and do nothing but shit down people's throats on here and say its not a place to learn. An edicate class would be a good thing also.

You guys want to use outdoor techniques, go ahead but don't try to compare results because as seen in your pics your missing half your crops and don't even realize it. I guess its better than knowing how much you are actually missing.
 
Uncle Ben

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Bud Brewer said:
I'm a tradesman with 24 years experience and have worked with hundreds of people experience doesn't mean the best some who have been doing it for forty years are still limited in what they can do and are not always good just good enough to keep around but not your go to guy when you need something difficult done that takes someone with more natural and learned skill by doing things outside their comfort zone and constantly learning new things can give a much younger tradesman a more varied and extensive experience that can produce much better work.
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Don't tell me.....you're an English teacher?

Perhaps I can make your chest beatings a little more palatable to consume for the general public -

"I'm a tradesman with 24 years experience and have worked with hundreds of people. Experience doesn't mean the best..... some who have been doing it for forty years are still limited in what they can do and are not always good, just good enough to keep around but not your go to guy. When you need something difficult done that takes someone with more natural and learned skill by doing things outside their comfort zone and constantly learning new things can give a much younger tradesman a more varied and extensive experience that can produce much better work."

Ah....just love those catchy buzzwords. And just how "natural" are they? ;)
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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Sir.Ganga said:
Exactly! If a tech walked into my jobsite and boasted 30yrs experience but did not take any refresher courses in that 30 yrs, he would be kicked to the curb, without updating their knowledge base they aren't licensed for long and end up the Xpert at Home Depot! What about doctors? They never take refreshers? Come on Chuck....You can do better than that.



40 years! WOW i'm impressed! 40 years of growing what? An EGO maybe...Looks to me you wasted 40yrs.

Look people I have shown you pics of bumber crop after bumper crop, I have explained my process and shown my results. My methods have been implimented over the last 20yrs with results that have doubled my yeild over the years. I have yet to see any results of any of these three trolls, why? They put up pictures of low producing plants, spindly colas and try to sell it as "I grow better than you". I don't play that game, I know better, why...because I update my knowledge base and am open to trying new ideas.

We all grow differently and there isn't nothing wrong with that but when you bully someone, cut them down or make crude statemments about their abilities or grow, it just shows that you have no ability to pleed your case.

Supertramp...Some of your pics looks very healthy, you really should try a couple of these techniques. A simple topping of your plants will double your output and give you an even canopy
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Its not something that happens overnight but trying one little thing like topping the main can and does make a huge difference.

Chucky...Wher are your numbers and pics? You said to me that I'm jealous and want followers, that statement alone shows why you come on hear. Show us what you think is a beauty looks like, if you can.

Uncle Popcorn....40 year knowledge base and you haven't learnt to increase yeild. They now offer horticulture classes all over, you should enroll and update your old ways because you refuse to listen to reason and do nothing but shit down people's throats on here and say its not a place to learn. An edicate class would be a good thing also.

You guys want to use outdoor techniques, go ahead but don't try to compare results because as seen in your pics your missing half your crops and don't even realize it. I guess its better than knowing how much you are actually missing.
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you don't think people much smarter than you have tested your theories to death? If it worked like you say, it would be in every growing book. You didn't reinvent the wheel.

I know growers who can grow Huge buds, But Take one hit and it tastes like shit and give's me a headache. I'm more about good genetics and keeping my plant healthy and stress free. while growing as close to mother natures way as possible. I would rather smoke a joint of my weed with you, than show you
some "my dick is bigger than yours Pic"
 
Uncle Ben

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Sir.Ganga said:
Exactly! If a tech walked into my jobsite and boasted 30yrs experience but did not take any refresher courses in that 30 yrs, he would be kicked to the curb, without updating their knowledge base they aren't licensed for long and end up the Xpert at Home Depot! What about doctors? They never take refreshers? Come on Chuck....You can do better than that.
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Hey shit-fer-brains, I practically have a pHD in horticulture having attended TX A&M workshops, both class room and in the field, a couple of times a year. I'm not some dork that spends his time in lamebrain stoner cannabis forums that are wraught with bullshit.....where the blind lead the blind carrying on their misgiven paradigms such as flushing. As a certified Master Gardener and holding a Pesticide Applicator's License, I must meet certain credits annually which can only be done by attending AGGIE (university) sponsored workshops that offer college continuing education credits. Now, that's just part of it. I learn by doing hands-on field training such as vineyard canopy management and most of all, networking with professionals, not socializing with arrogant snot nose kids who just learned to tie their shoes.

Also, you have no right insulting other's methods nor do you have a lock on yields per some smoke-n-mirrors website shot. I mean, who in the fuck do you think you are? Only 500 posts? To me, you're just another chest beating arrogant fool using stuff like Voodoo Juice and falling for noobie derived theories.

Sheesh....so many fuckin' dorks in this place!

Uncle Ben
 
Uncle Ben

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Sir.Ganga said:
Look people I have shown you pics of bumber crop after bumper crop, I have explained my process and shown my results. My methods have been implimented over the last 20yrs with results that have doubled my yeild over the years.
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Right. You just joined 3 months ago, post a photo of a marginally grown plant that has a date stamp a little over a year old?

I have yet to see any results of any of these three trolls, why? They put up pictures of low producing plants, spindly colas and try to sell it as "I grow better than you". I don't play that game,.....
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Bullshit. You're liar and poser that has just been exposed. Care to tell us what happened here? Those are spindly colas if I ever saw one.



FAIL

Keep it up junior. I likes giving mis-behaving kids a well deserved whuppin'. ;)

UB
 
NietzscheKeen

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I hope when I post photos of my first grow, people will offer constructive criticism and not give me shit for having awful plants, lol.
 
Figong

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NietzscheKeen said:
I hope when I post photos of my first grow, people will offer constructive criticism and not give me shit for having awful plants, lol.
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You'll get constructive criticism unless/until you tell a few of the members that they can't grow when they show pics of some of the best crops RIU has seen pic-wise.. at the point you attack others, you will open up pandoras box and unleash a massive shitstorm.
 
Doer

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Figong said:
Bud Brewer.. question for you. What happens when the plants are in need of dire sugars they simply can't keep up with or attain due to having fan leaves chopped off? (I'm ready for a legitimate debate without personal attacks, if you're up for it - will end this once and for all.)
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That's another point. I was reading up on folier feeding techniques, etc and found this has been studied. The roots take only the elemental ions. They can't absorb complex hydrocarbons.

To the thread title, to me it's like asking if I remove a panel in in my umbrella with I still get as much rain?

The fan leaves provide shade that the plant put there to use. They are also the factories of all the good stuff for the plant. And they spread where the plant wanted them spread, for the light it sees. When the plant is done with the fan leaves they let go and move on.

The only thing in this argument that makes any sense, is air circulation. But, I have little fans on the floor blowing up into the canopies.
 
Doer

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NietzscheKeen said:
I hope when I post photos of my first grow, people will offer constructive criticism and not give me shit for having awful plants, lol.
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Oh. You are bigger than that. See my journal for some real screw ups. I'm in upgrade again to try to solve some issue. I've seen guys post very proud, some pretty bad looking stuff. And we can look at it and make suggestions. Like, "that LED doesn't seem to be putting out much good light."


But, compared to the guy that grows nothing?

OTH, if we have a thin skin for the rare and occasional idiots, maybe think twice about opening your kimono? :)
 
Slab

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Uncle Ben said:
I'd say you have a dead tree.

Yes, may be able to root a peach branch cutting, not sure why you'd want to do that. You pick the scion variety that has been grafted onto a rootstock that works for your soil profile. Give me your local chill hours and I can recommend some of the best.

UB
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Pardon my ignorance, my frost zone is 6 b, southwest PA.

Not sure if that is the same thing.

Would that tomato variety you have been mentioning do well up this way?


thank you for your help Uncle Ben!
 
Uncle Ben

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Slab said:
Pardon my ignorance, my frost zone is 6 b, southwest PA.

Not sure if that is the same thing.

Would that tomato variety you have been mentioning do well up this way?


thank you for your help Uncle Ben!
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It's been bred for heat but most times those hybrids bred for hot conditions have the gene that sets fruit during really cold temps. Try it.
 
HeartlandHank

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I harvested this beast a few days ago... I've been showing it off all over RIU. I didn't do anything special... genetics are responsible for this beast. Honestly, I roughed this plant up pretty good. It saw some rough days during flower. Flowers are not all that dense. This plant is sort of novelty... It makes a great picture though.
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smellzlikeskunkyum

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im pretty sure we all agree its not good to cut any healthy fan leaves under normal circumstances. right? the latest high times had a Q someone asked about this. danny danko basically said the same as well. or whoever it was really.

ive experiemented a bit and it seems to me its only beneficial in veg when u dont have good light because a fan leaf is blocking a top. like if u lollipop and bring your bottoms up, some of those nodes where the stems where taken out, those leaves wont be missed much by the plant usually.

but i agree, leave the leaves as much as possible. they are the engine of the plant really.
 
chuck estevez

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HeartlandHank said:
I harvested this beast a few days ago... I've been showing it off all over RIU. I didn't do anything special... genetics are responsible for this beast. Honestly, I roughed this plant up pretty good. It saw some rough days during flower. Flowers are not all that dense. This plant is sort of novelty... It makes a great picture though.
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But you could have got bigger if you pulled the leaves off,maybe the size of a 5 gal bucket.lol, How much light do you think that wine bottle took up?
 
Sir.Ganga

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Uncle Ben said:
Hey shit-fer-brains, I practically have a pHD in horticulture having attended TX A&M workshops, both class room and in the field, a couple of times a year. I'm not some dork that spends his time in lamebrain stoner cannabis forums that are wraught with bullshit.....where the blind lead the blind carrying on their misgiven paradigms such as flushing. As a certified Master Gardener and holding a Pesticide Applicator's License, I must meet certain credits annually which can only be done by attending AGGIE (university) sponsored workshops that offer college continuing education credits. Now, that's just part of it. I learn by doing hands-on field training such as vineyard canopy management and most of all, networking with professionals, not socializing with arrogant snot nose kids who just learned to tie their shoes.

Also, you have no right insulting other's methods nor do you have a lock on yields per some smoke-n-mirrors website shot. I mean, who in the fuck do you think you are? Only 500 posts? To me, you're just another chest beating arrogant fool using stuff like Voodoo Juice and falling for noobie derived theories.

Sheesh....so many fuckin' dorks in this place!

Uncle Ben
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See there folks...when push comes to shove what does he do...pats himself on the back for being the MAN spouting insults as fast as he can.

PLEASE TAKE NOTICE OF THIS MEMBER FOR WHAT HE IS.

Uncle Ben said:
Did some checking on this guy. This says it all about who and what this poser is. https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/592949-led-light-ratios-whats-best.html

Well....that went over like a lead balloon, hah!:-o
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Its called research....You need to do some also!

chuck estevez said:
you don't think people much smarter than you have tested your theories to death? If it worked like you say, it would be in every growing book. You didn't reinvent the wheel.

I know growers who can grow Huge buds, But Take one hit and it tastes like shit and give's me a headache. I'm more about good genetics and keeping my plant healthy and stress free. while growing as close to mother natures way as possible. I would rather smoke a joint of my weed with you, than show you
some "my dick is bigger than yours Pic"
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Being smart is one thing using your smarts is another. I have forgotten more than you know...10 years ago!

I knew a girl once...Had a friend that...I saw it done at...Sorry no pics....no opinion. Your a JOKE.
 
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