EZ Cloner advice? Looking for surefire success!

i use a homemade aerocloner (a rubbermaid tote )
with a 396 gph pump, 12 mister heads, 20 sites, an air pump & airstones, in need of a cycle timer.
its a kinda new setup, we used to clone in rockwool in a dome, but that was slow 50% success.
we even put 2-3 little clones per 2 inch neoprene and get roots in 10 days.
we have an aquarium heater (preset to 19c) that is NOT in our cloner, should it be?
our ambient air temp is around 19c, and at least 60% humidity.
never had any fungus problems, but have a bottle of peroxide just in case.

this is weird, i am on my second grow and decided to take clones from my plants b4 i flowered. i topped my soil plants and used the tops and then removed all the lower branches from my DWC plants and used them as clones. i had about 24 clones in total. i just cut them with scissors and laid them in a bowl of water till i had all of them off that plant that i wanted, then i put the scissors under the water and cut them about 1/4 inch below the bottom node where i removed the leaves, diped them on roottech and stuck them in 1.5 inch gordan cubes. put them in a used jiffy tray i bought earlier to start some pepper seeds in and set them under a 6500k cfl mist them occasionally and 100% so far.

I aeroclone all the time with almost 100% success rate ( well it's only about 70 clones total at this point in time) by using tap water between 325-350 PPM and pH of 6.7. I had almost 0% using any filtered water with or without hormones and I don't use hormones or feed with my tap water. I think Flo Grow hit the nail on the head earlier, it's about exposing the cambium without destroying it. When I get roots they are circling the cut stem, from the bottom of the cut to about 1/2" up the stem. Sit down with a spare clone sometime and scrape to see where the cambium is and how thick it is. I cut clones, do the scrape, place them in a neoprene, do my final cut, stick the neo in a net pot and into the cloner.

I always cut mine at a 45, split the tip, then score them to expose the cambium. It seemed to work 95% of the time in the past. But that was in a different location, different water, etc... I'm wondering if switching back to RO would be best. It's just so difficult to get the PH adjusted and keep it at 5.8-5.9. Usually, after a day or so, it will soar up to the 7's. ARRGGH!!!

what kind of PH down are you using? it sounds unstable.
to tell you the truth, i aeroclone with straight tap water (PH 6.8 ) and roots in 10 days.
sometimes i add a few drops of superthrive, i think it helps.

I had a problem with my well water killing full grown plants, so that's a good possibility. Get an RO. You can get a 100GPD RO for less than $99 (PureWaterClub.com). I own one and my water comes out with a PPM of 50 (not zero like some of the super expensive ones, but 0 ppm is not necessary), as opposed to the 650ppm that comes out my tap.

Now I am going to let you in on my super ultra secret ez cloner recipe to get a 100% success rate in 7-10 days. R/O Water. Don't really need any additives, plain water works just fine. I've recently started using Dyna-Grow KLN and ProTek in my cloner at a combined PPM of 110. Until recently I've used just plain R/O water and have had a 100% success rate. So I've never understood all the problems people have with EZ-Cloners. KISS, Keep It Simple, Stupid. My cloner is homemade, but same thing. Also my water temps are all over from 68F-80F.

I was mistaken about the root stimulator, it's called Green Fuse. And their website show 1ml per 4 gallons, which is WAY less than what the bottle says to use. I just checked the bottle, and it's 15ml per 4 gallons. So I'm thinking about changing it out with RO water and trying the 1ml per 4 gallons. Maybe this is why the ph is getting screwy.

Comments, questions, and ideas are always we welcome. Thanks everyone!

-Rock

its pretty fail safe. I sometimes just use tap water ph it to 5.5, and knock it down once it gets above 6.3., leave it and boom, 10 days later there ready.

But i have optimal results with using clonex at like half strength, and using the root hormone.

Leave the sprayers off for about 15 min once you put the root hormone on the clone,

I have near 100 percent success, sometimes one out of 30 wont get roots, but if i was to leave it, i bt it eventually would

simply follow the directions that come with it and your good, it makes anyone seem awesome at cloning

First of all PH does not really matter until you get roots so dont bother with PHing your water. Most important thing about using a cloner is it needs to be sterile. Make sure all your inserts are sterile before running a batch. Doesnt matter what water you use but make sure you keep it clean. H202 works ok but you need to use it ever 2 days to be effective and use a good dose 5 ML per gal. Nn PHd pool shock works even better and is EXACTLY what the "new" Clear Rez, is made of but with water. In fact you can make enough to treat about 25,000 gallons of water for $5. That is what I havebeen using now and works better then H202. Bacteria flourishes in a clone machine especially when temps get above 70 degrees. That is the number one problem period.

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First of all PH does not really matter until you get roots so dont bother with PHing your water. Most important thing about using a cloner is it needs to be sterile. Make sure all your inserts are sterile before running a batch. Doesnt matter what water you use but make sure you keep it clean. H202 works ok but you need to use it ever 2 days to be effective and use a good dose 5 ML per gal. Nn PHd pool shock works even better and is EXACTLY what the "new" Clear Rez, is made of but with water. In fact you can make enough to treat about 25,000 gallons of water for $5. That is what I havebeen using now and works better then H202. Bacteria flourishes in a clone machine especially when temps get above 70 degrees. That is the number one problem period.

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what is this Nn phd pool shock?

check these roots out made this system myself for about $60

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check these roots out made this system myself for about $60View attachment 1537338View attachment 1537337

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looks good any more info on your method im sure alot of folks would like to know!

home made 60 site 600gpm pump about 12 stray nozzles using ez cloning solution think its 2ozs to 5 gal water ph adjust to 6.3 and keeping my water temp around 75 check my forum out have pics and video

6.3 ph hmm ive always had great luck with 5.5 but from your pics maybe its not such a issue to hold 5.5.
some say dont worrie till roots show.

Walmart has pool shock in liquid form for $3.57 a gal.... The available chlorine is 11% The prime ingredient is the same in bleach.

man there is allot of good info on this thread. i have had allot of issues with cloning in aero cloners, i made 3 and all failed ( the 3rd one being the pic) i also tried dwc cloning again failed then i tried to go back to my old method (humidome and rapid rooter plugs) and was failing again lol. i am now back to the humidome and got my spark back after a bit and i am much better at it now then ever. i use a regular old humidome with rapid rooter plugs mix some hormex hormone with water and presoak the plugs and put a little in the tray then cut 45 deg angle and split the stem way up like 1" then dip in some clonex gel and i usually get roots in 7 days transplant to my RW in 9. reading this i might knock the dust off my aero cloner and give it another shot though lol.

I use HTH pool shock tht is NOT PH buffered. You can get a pound for $4 at almost any hardware store. Mixing 1 gram per gallon gives you a gallon of Clear Rez that costs $20 a quart !! 448 grams for $4 makes 448 gallons of clear rez. I beleive they suggest dosing at like an oz per 5 gallons and treat every three days. It is EXACTLY the same as the EZ Clone Clear Rez selling for $20 a quart !

Bacteria is the number one problem with clone machines. also I use straight tap water 7.5 PH and rooting is the same as with 5.5 PH. PH really only matters once there are roots and effects the plants ability to uptake nutrients.

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dlively11 said:

I use HTH pool shock tht is NOT PH buffered. You can get a pound for $4 at almost any hardware store. Mixing 1 gram per gallon gives you a gallon of Clear Rez that costs $20 a quart !! 448 grams for $4 makes 448 gallons of clear rez. I beleive they suggest dosing at like an oz per 5 gallons and treat every three days. It is EXACTLY the same as the Clear Rez selling for $20 a quart !

Bacteria is the number one problem with clone machines. also I use straight tap water 7.5 PH and rooting is the same as with 5.5 PH. PH really only matters once there are roots and effects the plants ability to uptake nutrients.

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so the product is called HTH pool shock thats not ph buffered?

I've checked out EZC. I think it's a toy for ppl who have nothing better to do with their money. I'm sorry. I know I'm gonna get shit
by you guys who like the system or who have had success with it. It's so overpriced. It's a simple machine anyone with even some mechanical ability could make with a tupperware tub, a fogger and a small list of other things I could buy in home depot. But why bother? I use Olivias's Cloning Gel and a peat/lite mix. I do provide extra humidity. I keep an eye on the little guys for a couple of weeks and my success rate is about 95%. I stick four cuttings into a 4" pot and when the time comes I separate them into their own 4" pot. Then they go into their own 3 or 5 gallon pot until harvest. If you're into the whole hydro thing then cleanliness is next to Godliness if you have bacterial diseases. I have no patience for diseased plants. I think the EZC system is flawed and inappropriate anyway for growing Cannabis. There. I said it. I don't like EZC's way of dispersing water around the root system. The water droplets are not small enough and not all surface areas of exposed stems are treated. A mister/fogger would work better. Also the lines almost always get clogged with accumulated salts. But WTF do I know? I'm just a humble gardener. I will say this: when I used to buy perennials from a local grower I had access to his greenhouses and watched guys make cuttings, hundreds of them, dipped in rooting hormone and rooted in vermiculite as a growing medium only. And nowhere on his ten acre perennial farm was an EZ anything....just time tested methods and a lot of sweat equity.