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Extracting THC With Coconut Oil

Discussion in 'Cooking With Cannabis' started by ThunderLips, Oct 23, 2008.

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    qwizoking

    qwizoking Well-Known Member

    just stir it

    next time dont use lecithin, serves no purpose and the lack of will help prevent this from happening in the future.



    why do all these people use lecithin?
    its not common sense or logical

    where did you hear about the addition of lecithin?
     
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    BarnBuster

    BarnBuster Virtually Unknown Member

    several threads here on RIU mention it as a emulsifier
     
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    qwizoking

    qwizoking Well-Known Member

    ya ive heard it being an emusifier... but who thought that would be a good idea? and why?
    ive been here for 3 years now, and in almost every edible thread, i have to debunk lecithin..

    why would you think an emulsion between a lipophilic compound and a lipid would be necessary in the first place.. that stands out the most, looking deeper why would encapsulating thc be beneficial? it actually lowers bioavailability ..drastically if comparing to an mct like coconut oil.

    also adding an emulsifier drags water into the oil if done during the crockpot style tek...without stabilizers it eventually falls out like it did here...or say some salad dressing


    i dont understand how after all this time people keep doing it. google needs to fix the search parameters or something. its obviously heavily viewed but that foesnt make it accurate


    sirry for the mini rant. im agitated a wee bit this morn
     
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    mrpink55

    mrpink55 Well-Known Member

    I believe Lectichin works, seems to make the thc hit you faster. it appears to disperse the cannabioids through the edible more evenly. It has been added to food for a long time. you only need a small amount the stuff it is impossile to get off your hands & has a taste.

    If you feel that way, see you can make a sticky so you don't have to do it over & over.
     
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    mrpink55

    mrpink55 Well-Known Member

    I don't use it most of the time even, I still feel like it has an effect/place in commerical cooking.
     
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    qwizoking

    qwizoking Well-Known Member

    nah i was just grumpy..
    odd cause lsd and dissociatives normally leave me feeling...better, the next day.

    you happened to have read my full posts on it? might help explain my stance (the one with a couple pictures).. if it works for you man, do what you do.
    if people honestly feel it helps i may do some more trials, ive done blind tests only with capsules... to support my thinking of bioavailability, but thats all.i dont make actual edibles too often.
    and in the clinical setting we use completely different mediums etc
     
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    mrpink55

    mrpink55 Well-Known Member

    Truth told I hate soy, & Soy products. Edis work just fine with out it. I quit using that stuff a few months back. For some reason I was bored and wanted to debate lol
     
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    LVCapo

    LVCapo New Member

    Thanks guys. Wasn't sure whether to mix it or not. First time using coconut oil
    I've used the lecithin a few times and it does seem to make a difference, but it also seems to affect people differently some people get upset stomachs from it.
     
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    fumble

    fumble Well-Known Member

    I use it. i did switch to a sunflower lecithin powder though instead of soy. I cant really test my own edibles but others who have tested for me say it takes less of the one with lecithin than it does with the one without. At this point i cant really risk a change in consistency to my products to go without using it. Plus, for baking in generalit is used for emulsification. I have used it in place of an egg when i was short 1
     
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    LVCapo

    LVCapo New Member

    I have to clarify. I did use soy before but picked up sunflower lecithin from Sprouts this time. Seemed to have a nice effect as I slept a solid six hours last night.
    One more question. Why would my oil separate so badly...one half being almost a clear dark green and the other half a split pea/milkiah color? They seem to both be the same consistency (and yes I drained out all the water and plant material).
    Thanks for all the help and posts. This is really a great place
     
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    qwizoking

    qwizoking Well-Known Member

    the emulsion broke down. the lecithin pulled in excess water. add it to the finished product if yiur going to use it


    Why would my oil separate so badly...one half being almost a clear dark green
    likely the polar portion holding chlorophyll etc

    and the other half a split pea/milkiah color?
    likely the non polar portion, the miniscule droplets cause the milky appearance..is there no visible solidified coconut?

    They seem to both be the same consistency (and yes I drained out all the water and plant material).

    in your production process it grabbed water as thats its purpose. thc and the oil are both "lipids"

    Thanks for all the help and posts. This is really a great place
     
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    qwizoking

    qwizoking Well-Known Member

    heres a combo of posts i post often, relating to lecithin use


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      qwizokingWell-Known Member
      i have to post this quite often as im asked all the time
      forgive grammar btw and choppy structure. any questions or advice on simplification go for it

      "In the pharmaceutical industry, it acts as a wetting, stabilizing agent and a choline enrichment carrier, helps in emulsifications and encapsulation, and is a good dispersing agent. It can be used in manufacture of intravenous fatinfusions and for therapeutic use.

      is an excellent emulsifier. In aqueous solution, its phospholipids can form either liposomes, bilayer sheets, micelles, or lamellarstructures,depending on hydration andtemperature.

      A number of different chemical and physical processes and mechanisms can be involved in the process of emulsification

      , emulsification takes place by reduction of interfacial tensionbetween two phases

      the emulsifying agent creates a film over one phase that forms globules, which repel each other. This repulsive force causes them to remain suspended in the dispersion medium

      An appropriate "surface active agent" (or "surfactant") can increase thekinetic stability of an emulsion so that the size of the droplets does not change significantly with time. It is then said to be stable.

    2. your product was clearly not stable hence the separation
      [​IMG][​IMG]
      this is the droplet


      sorry not in an explaining kind ofmood today ^from wiki







      now i assume you all know why this is not advantageous. think why we use coconut oil in the first place...or butter lol

      if not ill explain.., i dont mind

      oh and to be clear lmao.. the wiki quote is from a different thread. im definitely in an explaing mood!

      now back to lecithin
      we put it in a carrier..a fat... to lower polarity and increase efficiency..
      thc has a logp of about 7
      In practice optimumcolonicabsorption. is 1.32, intestinal is 1.35, oral 1.8, Cns 2, percutaneous at 2.6 and sublingual 5.5.
      very important in roa and pharmacology
      Lauric acid having a log p of about 4.5..and smallest mct having a logp about 1.8...

      lauric acid is the star component of coconut oil. hiding thc inside a liposome, bilayer sheet etc as pictured is counter productive.

      again we want the thc mixedhomogenous like in the solution to make use of the carrier and polarity


      but yes your right in a way. we use coconut oil only for oral use however as it has a fairly high log p, and is still an mct, which gets taken up differently. as well as holding most in solution given longer cjain length

      have you read any of my posts on mct and coconut oil?

      id be happy to go more into detail






    anyway might help or interest you
     
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