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cookie master · Aug 22, 2016

Tha Magnificent- The first one looks like cal mag or ph issues but its hard to say whether to correct it or let it finish at this point. The second looks like root issues.

CoB_nUt · Aug 23, 2016

@eastcoastled , Just switched over to coco(coco loco) in 2 gal dirt bags from 2 gal 100% perlite hempy buckets. Do you feed everyday? or feed feed water? i've ran coco/perlite 50-50 all coco and all perlite in these bags. feeding every day. Also using jack's and calnit, compost tea, sst. and florilicious plus. I'm liking the growth and production of the coco. Just a tad bit slower than all perlite as far as veg growth is concerned, it makes up for it in flower and yield tho. Also, the side branches on the coco girls are more pronounced, more full and damn near apical colas themselves.

eastcoastled · Aug 23, 2016

CoB_nUt said:
@eastcoastled , Just switched over to coco(coco loco) in 2 gal dirt bags from 2 gal 100% perlite hempy buckets. Do you feed everyday? or feed feed water? i've ran coco/perlite 50-50 all coco and all perlite in these bags. feeding every day. Also using jack's and calnit, compost tea, sst. and florilicious plus. I'm liking the growth and production of the coco. Just a tad bit slower than all perlite as far as veg growth is concerned, it makes up for it in flower and yield tho. Also, the side branches on the coco girls are more pronounced, more full and damn near apical colas themselves.

I feed once a day in the morning right after lights on for the plants i hand water. My bigger/keeper area i use blumats, so they are getting steady feedings....better yields vs hand watering.......but they can be a pain in the ass! You might need to do twice a day in 2 gal depending on plant size. Usually if the top of the coco is dry, they are thirsty.....only feed enough to get some runoff. A good way to tell is to lift the corner of the container....if it's light, they are thirsty. IMHO they key with coco is to keep it moist so your nutrients don't crystalize, but you don't want it saturated. You definitely don't want it to dry out though, that will lead to issues. I use GH Cocotek, doubt that makes a difference. Watering once a day in 3 gal bags, i can get 6-8 zips per plant, sometimes more. With blumats, i can get 8-12, same set up, just steady watering from the blumats. Plenty of people getting 10+ in 2 gal bags watering multiple times per day with pumps and manifolds, or even hand watering if you don't have a day job. Just keep em moist, and you'll be good...you can then tweak your method and schedule off that to suit your lifestyle. All depends on how much work you want to put into it. I use jacks also with calnit, epsom, and silica. I tried using floralicous as a booster, and it did the opposite.

CoB_nUt · Aug 23, 2016

Yea I forgot to mention the silica as well. I Only Use the FP during flush/non feed the last 4-5 days b4 harvest. The bags/fabric pots did have a learning curve coming from hempys.
Had a few sample bags of Growstone G5 coco with mykos. Was decent, definitely good enough for me to want to purchase a bag or two but the "shop" didn't even stock it. Also recieved a sample of thr Gh Cocotek grow/blo om a/b. Lol its been sitting in the packages for a year unopened.

Eh.... My apologies for the derail... Back to our regularly scheduled program. Still haven't dropped the kimbos yet. Got a text about the auction from SHN tomorrow.

Question... You guys just follow your regular germination routines when popping this breeders beans? Soak, wait for bean to sink, drop in plug,rockwool,etc.. Paper towel method, directly into medium etc.. I'm diggin the mandala seeds way.

kingzt · Aug 23, 2016

eastcoastled said:
I feed once a day in the morning right after lights on for the plants i hand water. My bigger/keeper area i use blumats, so they are getting steady feedings....better yields vs hand watering.......but they can be a pain in the ass! You might need to do twice a day in 2 gal depending on plant size. Usually if the top of the coco is dry, they are thirsty.....only feed enough to get some runoff. A good way to tell is to lift the corner of the container....if it's light, they are thirsty. IMHO they key with coco is to keep it moist so your nutrients don't crystalize, but you don't want it saturated. You definitely don't want it to dry out though, that will lead to issues. I use GH Cocotek, doubt that makes a difference. Watering once a day in 3 gal bags, i can get 6-8 zips per plant, sometimes more. With blumats, i can get 8-12, same set up, just steady watering from the blumats. Plenty of people getting 10+ in 2 gal bags watering multiple times per day with pumps and manifolds, or even hand watering if you don't have a day job. Just keep em moist, and you'll be good...you can then tweak your method and schedule off that to suit your lifestyle. All depends on how much work you want to put into it. I use jacks also with calnit, epsom, and silica. I tried using floralicous as a booster, and it did the opposite.

How much water are you giving you girls each time you water? I am having some issues when I water. I use 2 gallons every other day. I am thinking about switching to one gallon every day.

Stonironi · Aug 23, 2016

kingzt said:
How much water are you giving you girls each time you water? I am having some issues when I water. I use 2 gallons every other day. I am thinking about switching to one gallon every day.

Water slowly until runoff atleast 1 time a day in coco no matter what and that will move up to several times a day in flower. If you don't water all the time then salt will build up in your media and plants will taste really bad in the end . Coco has to stay wet always . Plants will still grow if you don't but you will most definitely pay for it later. A dripper system or blumats will help you a lot but they are not fool proof so it isn't set and forget. Coco is hands on all the time.

kingzt · Aug 23, 2016

Stonironi said:
Water slowly until runoff atleast 1 time a day in coco no matter what and that will move up to several times a day in flower. If you don't water all the time then salt will build up in your media and plants will taste really bad in the end . Coco has to stay wet always . Plants will still grow if you don't but you will most definitely pay for it later. A dripper system or blumats will help you a lot but they are not fool proof so it isn't set and forget. Coco is hands on all the time.

Why is it necessary to water until run off? I water every other day until it I get run off but I made the mistake and let the plants wick up the run off. I use smart pots and I have always done this with other soilless mediums with success. Haven't adjusted to coco yet. Only ran into problems when I switched to flower but I would water with no run off in veg.

cookie master · Aug 24, 2016

Its not necessary but its ideal. Is good to at least flush a couple times, but not totally necessary and if youre running perfect its not needed.

Stonironi · Aug 24, 2016

kingzt said:
Why is it necessary to water until run off? I water every other day until it I get run off but I made the mistake and let the plants wick up the run off. I use smart pots and I have always done this with other soilless mediums with success. Haven't adjusted to coco yet. Only ran into problems when I switched to flower but I would water with no run off in veg.

You need waaay more water in flower ! 2 or 3 times as much as veg

kingzt · Aug 24, 2016

Stonironi said:
You need waaay more water in flower ! 2 or 3 times as much as veg

When I feed my ph is 5.8 and my e.c is 1.8. I just tested my run of and the ph was around 7!! What the heck is happening for it to be that high? I use drip clean so I shouldn't have much salt build up.

Stonironi · Aug 24, 2016

kingzt said:
When I feed my ph is 5.8 and my e.c is 1.8. I just tested my run of and the ph was around 7!! What the heck is happening for it to be that high? I use drip clean so I shouldn't have much salt build up.

I used house and garden with coco also. That happened to me as well. Why are you feeding so high ? 1.8 is very high in my opinion. You gotta be up fairly high in mls with your base nutes ? Also did you say you are using coco loco ? Are you using calmag ? Your plants are holding on to nutes. Oh runoff in coco is never right unless you are 100% dialed in and that's rare. Ph will drift up in flower but not to 7 . Means your media has a lot of alkaline feed in it usually way too much calcium.

Stonironi · Aug 24, 2016

kingzt said:
Why is it necessary to water until run off? I water every other day until it I get run off but I made the mistake and let the plants wick up the run off. I use smart pots and I have always done this with other soilless mediums with success. Haven't adjusted to coco yet. Only ran into problems when I switched to flower but I would water with no run off in veg.

Feed every water . Once a week run a low low ppm feed like 200 or even 150 ppm and water that time heavy. This will get rid of excess salts in your media, but not all. Watering with plain water in coco is counter productive unless you are over feeding. Every other day will definitely begin to build up salts . In coco you have a cation bank and that needs to be full and never dry out or you get lockouts . You have to feed to runoff in coco always.

CoB_nUt · Aug 24, 2016

5.8-6.2 coco loco& Growstone gs-5 coco with mykos, feed with every water which is every day once a day in 1& 2 gallon dirt/fabric pots.I do a low ppm<250 feed/water once a week,sooner if salt buildup signs occur. I never let the coco turn lightbrown(dry under the first inch or so of medium.
At times I've watered/fed to runoff in the saucer was an inch and a half up the side of the pot and let it wick it all back up. Sometimes,I'll empty the saucer immediately after feeding. Lately I've been watering/feeding until enough runoff comes out to cover the bottoms of the saucers. Accidently,one fabric pot was turned inside out and a plant put in. Didn't notice it until flower. Around the fourth week (when this strain switches gears), salt buildup was occurring on the outside of the bag,yet the plant seems unaffected whatsoever! No idea, as It is one if the biggest in that group. Not sure what is considered "trees" in around these parts, but I get 3.5-4" plants in 2gal fabric pots.
I ventured into coco from 100% perlite hempys(2.5 gal square pots) and initially treated the coco fabric pots and coco hempy buckets the same way.

Thefarmer12 · Aug 24, 2016

Kimbo still packin on frost.

I hit all my special ladies with SSDD pollen this round and it looks like this girl is the only that didn't take

Luckily I have multiple cuts of her for my upcoming breeding project :blsmoke:

I cannot believe the size of the trichomes. I've heard but seeing in person is truly something special. I can't wait to dry sift the trim.

eastcoastled · Aug 24, 2016

Thefarmer12 said:
Kimbo still packin on frost.

I hit all my special ladies with SSDD pollen this round and it looks like this girl is the only that didn't take Luckily I have multiple cuts of her for my upcoming breeding project

I cannot believe the size of the trichomes. I've heard but seeing in person is truly something special. I can't wait to dry sift the trim.

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I'm with you on the trichs. They are like grains of sand with kimbo, and not very sticky.....more of a dry gritty texture. You're definitely going to get some nice dry sift.....seems like it's a starfighter trait.

kingzt · Aug 24, 2016

Stonironi said:
I used house and garden with coco also. That happened to me as well. Why are you feeding so high ? 1.8 is very high in my opinion. You gotta be up fairly high in mls with your base nutes ? Also did you say you are using coco loco ? Are you using calmag ? Your plants are holding on to nutes. Oh runoff in coco is never right unless you are 100% dialed in and that's rare. Ph will drift up in flower but not to 7 . Means your media has a lot of alkaline feed in it usually way too much calcium.

I was doing 120 ml's for 25 gallons. It's was coming out to ~950 ppms, my base water is 140 ppms. I was using cal mag at 5 ml/gal. I am using royal gold tupur. I think my issue my I was leaving the run off for the plants to take back up. If my coco is to alkaline should I lower my ph a lot when I feed?

kingzt · Aug 24, 2016

CoB_nUt said:
5.8-6.2 coco loco& Growstone gs-5 coco with mykos, feed with every water which is every day once a day in 1& 2 gallon dirt/fabric pots.I do a low ppm<250 feed/water once a week,sooner if salt buildup signs occur. I never let the coco turn lightbrown(dry under the first inch or so of medium.
At times I've watered/fed to runoff in the saucer was an inch and a half up the side of the pot and let it wick it all back up. Sometimes,I'll empty the saucer immediately after feeding. Lately I've been watering/feeding until enough runoff comes out to cover the bottoms of the saucers. Accidently,one fabric pot was turned inside out and a plant put in. Didn't notice it until flower. Around the fourth week (when this strain switches gears), salt buildup was occurring on the outside of the bag,yet the plant seems unaffected whatsoever! No idea, as It is one if the biggest in that group. Not sure what is considered "trees" in around these parts, but I get 3.5-4" plants in 2gal fabric pots.
I ventured into coco from 100% perlite hempys(2.5 gal square pots) and initially treated the coco fabric pots and coco hempy buckets the same way.

I feed/water my plants every other day and the surface is usually dry but still wet about an inch down. I give 2 gallons when I water and my plants are in 7 gallons smart pots. Do you think that is enough? I do get run off every time but like I said in my previous post I would just let it wick back up which I will be stopping now. Should I be watering 2 gallons every day or maybe just one gallon a day?

Norcalknugs · Aug 24, 2016

I run coco and only feed water when the pot is light, a few plants daily most every other day. i feed with every water, like 600ppms on gh line. Plants are doing great. Think there are many ways to skin this cat. When I ran 3 feeds a day they looked horrible. Ive only flushed once this grow and they looked super hungry the next day, haven't flushed since. I'm very new so just sharing what is working for me.

Stonironi · Aug 24, 2016

kingzt said:
I was doing 120 ml's for 25 gallons. It's was coming out to ~950 ppms, my base water is 140 ppms. I was using cal mag at 5 ml/gal. I am using royal gold tupur. I think my issue my I was leaving the run off for the plants to take back up. If my coco is to alkaline should I lower my ph a lot when I feed?

Ok first off house and garden is 19% calcium so you never need calcium with there coco line . Get liquid mag or use something for mag . Use every 3rd water up until week 3 end or stop of stretch , then at week 5 and 6 run the bloom boosters not the last 2 weeks or run the risk of terrible foxtails . I ran this exact same setup and I had huge plants BUT I had terrible tasting Meds . For almost 2 years I tinkered with the house and garden and tupur combo never did I get good Meds. Week 5 or 6 the plants would stop producing frost all together and my smell was nothing at all . I quit using coco because of this combo. Use canna with coco and get way better stuff imo? But if you use mag instead of cal mag you will get better results , trust me on that. Definitely empty the trays don't let the plants suck that back up as it is all gonna be old salts from the previous watering. Drip clean works but it's not an end to flushing .

Stonironi · Aug 24, 2016

Norcalknugs said:
I run coco and only feed water when the pot is light, a few plants daily most every other day. i feed with every water, like 600ppms on gh line. Plants are doing great. Think there are many ways to skin this cat. When I ran 3 feeds a day they looked horrible. Ive only flushed once this grow and they looked super hungry the next day, haven't flushed since. I'm very new so just sharing what is working for me.

You can water every other day till they get big enough to fill the pots with roots. Then everyday is a must in flower if not 2 or 3 times is best. Gh grows better : tastier in coco then house and garden

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