example of how a middle class cannot exist.

ricky6991

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I figured i would put an example to all the work related ecomonic posts. So my issue is why the gov. Or state must always try to eliminate possibility of the normal individual to make a living on there own terms. Almost as if they want struggle and dependency of the people on there shoulders.

Here is my example of a VERY VALID business that is thriving, legal and anyone who is willing to learn and work and put time aside can succeed on a small,medium or large scale. IMO, it is the prime example of the american dream(work wise).

With investing 40k into a 1500sqft garage(many plumbers,landscapers ect use these garages). You can sucessfully setup a full functioning grow facility that is up to code , safe and will produce over 100k a year Legally.

Speaking from experience,
2 rooms with 8 lights each, minisplit , sealed with co2 , 2 veg rooms with 4 lights in one and t5s in the other. Plant count being used is 16 flower,16 veg. 8 in every room.

Now this is summed up for sure but the figures are not.

Getting minimum of 1 lb per light (which anyone who grows for couple yrs can achieve with alittle work and time and potentially DOUBLE figures on same equipment) each room can cut down minimum of 4 times a year. That rate will net you with 64 lb a year. Selling those to dispensary at $2200 each will gross your business at $140,800.

Now you subtract bills with 1500 electric and 150 gas and 850 rent. Then you have nutes and other maintenace monthly we will say 500(overkill). That is $36,000 a year.

That will leave you with $104,800. Now you pay your tax , totaling 30%. That is $31,440 in taxes. Netting you $73,360

This example is very real. This example is all MINIMUM $ figures. It shows how you grow a product for a thriving industry which has no cieling for its customer base. Meaning, the above example just allowed a full family to live comft. And have a small savings if responsible. That product amount literally may last a couple weeks most at any dispensary or retail store. Yes you just spent a yr growing enough product that will last only 2 weeks ,most likely way less realistically, at one location. On top of that you have many diferent strains at differents stores with different qualities.

How many families could follow the above example before there is too much product around? Hundreds in just one state. Tens of Thousands in the country. During this time you have LOCAL plumbers, electricians, hvac all being put to work. I think those numbers for employment is extremely low low low.

My point to sum up this entire post if people could forget that we are talking about weed and treat it like a wanted product like it is. this example is real in my state and there is not enough meds around still. The possibilities to change employment and economy is so hopeful and obvious. BUT , legistration wants to eliminate all cardholders and open only 2 large scale grow facilities for the entire state.

Mind you that all dispensaries open obtain 90% of meds through cardholders. Yet, we have the rich, greedy politicans who know nothing but scream jobs and economy ect. Potentially Eliminating so many jobs and LOCAL money and taxes. This potential is obviously speaking when legalization passes vote this yr. However the above figures are current possible to anyone who is a registered cardholder now.

So my final questions is with all the proof of such a positive LOCAL jump economically, why does the state and rich political douchebags make such descisions?
 

ricky6991

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It honestly make no sence to take away such an open market from the public ecomony and give it to afew of the rich, instead of countless of the evryday struggleing citizens.

I hope people wake up and realize that these are some of the issues that local businesses face whether it involves weed or other product or services.companies are being regulated to death so only the rich corps. Can survive.

How can people spend all there energy arguing and trying to blame these political parties when even with facts of wrong doing there are no consequences to these parties? Hopefully one day people can make light of real issues and making a change rather than just talking in circles.

IMO, issues are less about taxung rich more or less compared to the poor but to allow a free market so the rich and the poor can equally be allowed same right to operate.

In my example with weed, the rich will do greenhouse outdoors with pesticides and extremly large scale which leads to less quality. Which also relates to all the rich sending jobs and product manufacturing over seas which has proven to lead to less quality also. Whereas the normal individual trying to make an average normal living will keep jobs local an spend the profits locally which leads up better quality product and a better quality of life... Of course these are my opinions but to me they just seem so obviosu of problems and i do not see how people can disagree. I believe if there was more of a free market then overtime the rich would not be only 5% of the country.
 
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Padawanbater2

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So my final questions is with all the proof of such a positive LOCAL jump economically, why does the state and rich political douchebags make such descisions?
Colorado and Washington state are shining examples of success. So much so federal judges (or the DEA, I forget which) stood in front of their ability to submit their LEGAL tender from selling legal weed to banks to keep it. In other words, gov. officials stood in the way of dispensaries who made more than expected to submit their profit into state banks for the sole purpose of denying how successful a legal marijuana policy is.

First they denied the medical capabilities of marijuana, then they said selling it would enable the childrenz, then they said more people will become addicted... now that the data is in and the numbers have been counted, we see that the state brings in SUBSTANTIALLY more than they would have before, so much so that they don't know what the fuck to do with the extra funds, we find that actually less people become addicted, less children have access to the sale of marijuana, and millions of patients benefit from using medicinal marijuana.

They've lost. They know it. What you're seeing now is their final attempt at grasping at what's left. They're hoping to snag some of the 'reefer madness' crowd (fuckin' grandma's) who still think the devil weed will kill them and their grandkids..

You won't see this bullshit in 20 years when grandma is pushing fuckin' 90 and can't remember her birthday.. Trust me
 

ricky6991

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Is there a way for the public to have a bill written? If a group were to get together with good intentions and gather media attention and start spreading facts would they Be able to put a bill that is summarized by the people?

Rather than the public always needing to vote on the bills that always are written by the uninformed. Forcing votes to choose the best of 2 wrongs. There is a small chanve if people gather and get someone to stand behind them in a legistration room when bills are spoken of that we can gain momentum to the bill that the public has made. Given all of the pros of it compared to the state always just wanting the rich to be in charge.

Of course people would be need to hire a professional to write the bill in text but is this even possible?

Also, funny how a thread gets pushed down to second page quick when real issue are bouht up. If i mention any sort of race war though it would be 6+ pages lol
 

schuylaar

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I figured i would put an example to all the work related ecomonic posts. So my issue is why the gov. Or state must always try to eliminate possibility of the normal individual to make a living on there own terms. Almost as if they want struggle and dependency of the people on there shoulders.

Here is my example of a VERY VALID business that is thriving, legal and anyone who is willing to learn and work and put time aside can succeed on a small,medium or large scale. IMO, it is the prime example of the american dream(work wise).

With investing 40k into a 1500sqft garage(many plumbers,landscapers ect use these garages). You can sucessfully setup a full functioning grow facility that is up to code , safe and will produce over 100k a year Legally.

Speaking from experience,
2 rooms with 8 lights each, minisplit , sealed with co2 , 2 veg rooms with 4 lights in one and t5s in the other. Plant count being used is 16 flower,16 veg. 8 in every room.

Now this is summed up for sure but the figures are not.

Getting minimum of 1 lb per light (which anyone who grows for couple yrs can achieve with alittle work and time and potentially DOUBLE figures on same equipment) each room can cut down minimum of 4 times a year. That rate will net you with 64 lb a year. Selling those to dispensary at $2200 each will gross your business at $140,800.

Now you subtract bills with 1500 electric and 150 gas and 850 rent. Then you have nutes and other maintenace monthly we will say 500(overkill). That is $36,000 a year.

That will leave you with $104,800. Now you pay your tax , totaling 30%. That is $31,440 in taxes. Netting you $73,360

This example is very real. This example is all MINIMUM $ figures. It shows how you grow a product for a thriving industry which has no cieling for its customer base. Meaning, the above example just allowed a full family to live comft. And have a small savings if responsible. That product amount literally may last a couple weeks most at any dispensary or retail store. Yes you just spent a yr growing enough product that will last only 2 weeks ,most likely way less realistically, at one location. On top of that you have many diferent strains at differents stores with different qualities.

How many families could follow the above example before there is too much product around? Hundreds in just one state. Tens of Thousands in the country. During this time you have LOCAL plumbers, electricians, hvac all being put to work. I think those numbers for employment is extremely low low low.

My point to sum up this entire post if people could forget that we are talking about weed and treat it like a wanted product like it is. this example is real in my state and there is not enough meds around still. The possibilities to change employment and economy is so hopeful and obvious. BUT , legistration wants to eliminate all cardholders and open only 2 large scale grow facilities for the entire state.

Mind you that all dispensaries open obtain 90% of meds through cardholders. Yet, we have the rich, greedy politicans who know nothing but scream jobs and economy ect. Potentially Eliminating so many jobs and LOCAL money and taxes. This potential is obviously speaking when legalization passes vote this yr. However the above figures are current possible to anyone who is a registered cardholder now.

So my final questions is with all the proof of such a positive LOCAL jump economically, why does the state and rich political douchebags make such descisions?
so easy..because then they wouldn't be able to control it/us, the revenue. see prohibition. the truthful person? hillary already said it.

 

god1

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I figured i would put an example to all the work related ecomonic posts. So my issue is why the gov. Or state must always try to eliminate possibility of the normal individual to make a living on there own terms. Almost as if they want struggle and dependency of the people on there shoulders.

Here is my example of a VERY VALID business that is thriving, legal and anyone who is willing to learn and work and put time aside can succeed on a small,medium or large scale. IMO, it is the prime example of the american dream(work wise).

With investing 40k into a 1500sqft garage(many plumbers,landscapers ect use these garages). You can sucessfully setup a full functioning grow facility that is up to code , safe and will produce over 100k a year Legally.

Speaking from experience,
2 rooms with 8 lights each, minisplit , sealed with co2 , 2 veg rooms with 4 lights in one and t5s in the other. Plant count being used is 16 flower,16 veg. 8 in every room.

Now this is summed up for sure but the figures are not.

Getting minimum of 1 lb per light (which anyone who grows for couple yrs can achieve with alittle work and time and potentially DOUBLE figures on same equipment) each room can cut down minimum of 4 times a year. That rate will net you with 64 lb a year. Selling those to dispensary at $2200 each will gross your business at $140,800.

Now you subtract bills with 1500 electric and 150 gas and 850 rent. Then you have nutes and other maintenace monthly we will say 500(overkill). That is $36,000 a year.

That will leave you with $104,800. Now you pay your tax , totaling 30%. That is $31,440 in taxes. Netting you $73,360

This example is very real. This example is all MINIMUM $ figures. It shows how you grow a product for a thriving industry which has no cieling for its customer base. Meaning, the above example just allowed a full family to live comft. And have a small savings if responsible. That product amount literally may last a couple weeks most at any dispensary or retail store. Yes you just spent a yr growing enough product that will last only 2 weeks ,most likely way less realistically, at one location. On top of that you have many diferent strains at differents stores with different qualities.

How many families could follow the above example before there is too much product around? Hundreds in just one state. Tens of Thousands in the country. During this time you have LOCAL plumbers, electricians, hvac all being put to work. I think those numbers for employment is extremely low low low.

My point to sum up this entire post if people could forget that we are talking about weed and treat it like a wanted product like it is. this example is real in my state and there is not enough meds around still. The possibilities to change employment and economy is so hopeful and obvious. BUT , legistration wants to eliminate all cardholders and open only 2 large scale grow facilities for the entire state.

Mind you that all dispensaries open obtain 90% of meds through cardholders. Yet, we have the rich, greedy politicans who know nothing but scream jobs and economy ect. Potentially Eliminating so many jobs and LOCAL money and taxes. This potential is obviously speaking when legalization passes vote this yr. However the above figures are current possible to anyone who is a registered cardholder now.

So my final questions is with all the proof of such a positive LOCAL jump economically, why does the state and rich political douchebags make such descisions?

Mind if I ask what state you're in?

Here's my comment. You've missed the window. You're about two years to late.

In Southern Washington you're facing a few hurdles:

1) Everybody and his Unc is growing.
2) The price for "top shelf" stuff is in the toilet.
3) Most of the dispensaries push their own stuff first
4) This is a biggy, Wash MMJ laws are changing next June ... not for the better
5) If you can make top shelf product for under a 1K a pound you have a shot at the MMJ market for a while

The legislation in Wa is driven by the desire for tax Revenue.
It's a big deal. WMMJ laws were the best in the nation ... that's all about to change.
 

ricky6991

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Im in rhode island. Im allowed 24 veg an 36 flower.

I only use 16 an 16 cause i have no more room. Each plant has 1 light an 4×4 space.

Yes im very small time but my patients get free meds anytime and rest given to disp. To pay taxes.

Even if they enact laws which require a liscence and state fees and inspections would be acceptable and allow a FAIR system to allowing cult. Centers locally in numbers that make since. The new laws states the dispensaries have first right to the only 2 centers that would be allowed.

Btw the largest disp. Is owned by politicians who are family with state police chief. The slater center. All the laws passed into legistration is posted by the name slater. Its all family and connections that rule it all.

The second law they want to amend is to only allow cardholders to give there max posession to disp. Thats only 5 oz. They wont make shit for tax dollars cause they dunno what theyre doing to grow. Lost first 2 grows to mold with million dollars into a building
 
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ricky6991

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so easy..because then they wouldn't be able to control it/us, the revenue. see prohibition. the truthful person? hillary already said it.

Theres gotta be a way to fight and change things before its federally legal and big money swoops in. If we can show the people how good it can be in small hands are involved instead of only big corps. Maybe when legal they will have to atleast fight for theyre dominance. We have the upside that big money isnt fully involved since fed illegal. Small time frame.

Are we really going to just watch a huge cash crop feed the same rich people or better yet overseas when fed. Legal? I know there is not many options to fight with but there needs to be something to prove how helpful this could be locally to the everday people.

The people trying to change the law hired 2 reps. Paying them 11,000 a month! To enact these bulllshit bills just to cut small people out. Its rediculous to see how blatent obvious the rich has influenced over system but yet there is nothing we can do?
 
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schuylaar

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Theres gotta be a way to fight and change things before its federally legal and big money swoops in. If we can show the people how good it can be in small hands are involved instead of only big corps. Maybe when legal they will have to atleast fight for theyre dominance. We have the upside that big money isnt fully involved since fed illegal. Small time frame.

Are we really going to just watch a huge cash crop feed the same rich people or better yet overseas when fed. Legal? I know there is not many options to fight with but there needs to be something to prove how helpful this could be locally to the everday people.

The people trying to change the law hired 2 reps. Paying them 11,000 a month! To enact these bulllshit bills just to cut small people out. Its rediculous to see how blatent obvious the rich has influenced over system but yet there is nothing we can do?
we're too late..big money has already swooped in..just ask any cash cropper in denver..guess who is their rival?

this is why 'the lobby' must go.
 
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