EXACT PPM Amount EXPLAINED - Good Vid!
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chuck estevez
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I stopped when he got to Yield. I should have 1250 of whatever, STFU
Jimdamick
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I don't know where he came up with his formula, but it is interesting (full of shit?) He really doesn't break down that well the aspect of growth cycle and time in between the adjustments. Third of all, soil PPM and hydro PPM in feed water are like night and day. Soil will hold the nutes forever, simply being kept in the soil like a storage tank, that if you keep adding to, like every other watering, will build up and overwhelm the plant (Hermies anyone). When I used soil, I would water for 3 cycles (every 3rd day) and feed on the fourth with a max of 700 PPM. If I did a runoff test, after using that ratio for say 5 weeks, my run off will be over 1800 PPM easy. Point being, very lite food in soil.
Hydro is a WAY different ball of wax. There you should fuck with your PPM as to growth time. Simple, common sense is that with a young plant with hardly any root development, you take it easy, but in a plant that has the root system developed, and is vigorous, feed that baby all she can handle (yellow tips/back off). Using hydro for a while, I have learned (the hard way) that anything above 1500 PPM, you are asking for trouble (seed time awaits) My formula is for week 1-2 around 350 PPM. Starting at week 3, I go to 500 PPM, and increase by around 500 PPM until I reach my max of 1400 PPM at week 6, then I stop increase, and go backwards to nothing for the rest of the bloom (assuming 8-9 week grow) The root system has enough nutes in it anyway at 6 weeks, and I am a believer in flushing (no more food) for the last 2 weeks before cut.
Everyone has their own way, but mine is way better than anyone's else's. I have a pamphlet for sale, buy (pun) the way, PM me, and we can probably make a deal.
Peace out
Hydro is a WAY different ball of wax. There you should fuck with your PPM as to growth time. Simple, common sense is that with a young plant with hardly any root development, you take it easy, but in a plant that has the root system developed, and is vigorous, feed that baby all she can handle (yellow tips/back off). Using hydro for a while, I have learned (the hard way) that anything above 1500 PPM, you are asking for trouble (seed time awaits) My formula is for week 1-2 around 350 PPM. Starting at week 3, I go to 500 PPM, and increase by around 500 PPM until I reach my max of 1400 PPM at week 6, then I stop increase, and go backwards to nothing for the rest of the bloom (assuming 8-9 week grow) The root system has enough nutes in it anyway at 6 weeks, and I am a believer in flushing (no more food) for the last 2 weeks before cut.
Everyone has their own way, but mine is way better than anyone's else's. I have a pamphlet for sale, buy (pun) the way, PM me, and we can probably make a deal.
Peace out
mrgreen2015
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Just trying to make sense of it. I thought the video was informative but apparently I was mistaken. This guy seemed legit? But I like "Jimdamick's" idea maybe a little better
Jimdamick
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No, he just reminded me of a used car salesman for his book. He made some interesting assumptions though.Just trying to make sense of it. I thought the video was informative but apparently I was mistaken. This guy seemed legit? But I like "Jimdamick's" idea maybe a little better
I should have been clearer in my reply.
Dumme
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PPM's are a measurements that are product specific. While many companies do use the same formula, others dont. The scale is set up by company to to maximize profits for their specific region.Just trying to make sense of it. I thought the video was informative but apparently I was mistaken. This guy seemed legit? But I like "Jimdamick's" idea maybe a little better
That's what really grinds my gears. You'll read it a lot in these forums to use PPM's, don't listen to any of it! It's just more bullshit and hard as a new guy to not step in it. I read it in here all the time; two guys having a whole conversation over PPM's, and just shake my head and ignore. This site is used all over the world and with many different nutrients, again, regional specific, and who knows where where the guy live with whom you get the info.
EC (electric conductivity), and CF (conductivity factor) are universal.
Knowledge is power.
You want to know what "PPM's" to use, start by using the proper feel schedule of the product you are currently using. Then, start listening to the only things that will NEVER lie to you; your plants. If you know how to understand them, they'll tell you exactly what they need. This is only learned through experience. Keep in mind that the companies with whom you've been buying and the grow store you buy from, both, want to sell you as much as possible, normally with results of over feeding. Even the instructions on the lables are designed that way to get you to buy more, just to feed that corporate piggybank.
Its hard for a newer grower because it's never black and white. There is no "secret formula" for the perfect grow. It's an art, and it's constantly changing. Read, read, and read some more. You'll fuck up, and that's ok, as long as you never stop learning.
Good luck young padawan.
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pop22
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actually it will work! And the whole "pump em full of nutes" mentality is wrong also. Have you ever seen HygroHybrid's videos? He runs RDWC and runs his ppms at 600-700 start to finish no matter what strain he's running. and he grows monsters, always
1 pound +! But nute companies want to sell you nutes so crank up that EC or PPM..........lol!
EC or PPM, it only matters what scale YOU use and stick with.
1 pound +! But nute companies want to sell you nutes so crank up that EC or PPM..........lol!
EC or PPM, it only matters what scale YOU use and stick with.
lol, so if the plants arent 100% you cut their balanced nutes by 50% and od them on supplements? The "one ppm fits all" approach will work with plastic plants but not real ones
Dumme
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Another moment I just put my hand on my forehead while looking at the floor, and shake my head.
...some cant be taught.
BigLittlejohn
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I almost never go above 850 ppm on the .05 scale or 1.7 EC at peak feeding. There's just no reason to feed higher levels than that I have found. It's really all about listening to the plants.
boilingoil
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not a very scientific standard if they use 3 conversion factors to determine ppms'
churchhaze
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You don't have meters that can read ppm in the first place... Your meters give you EC and use that to estimate ppm by assuming only 1 salt is in the water.
ppm means mg/L. If you want 1ppm of something, add 1mg to a liter bottle and fill the rest with water. It's now 1ppm X.
ppm means mg/L. If you want 1ppm of something, add 1mg to a liter bottle and fill the rest with water. It's now 1ppm X.
70's natureboy
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Why don't people do the conversion themselves instead of expecting the reader to do the conversion? Duh.
churchhaze
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The conversion itself is an approximation anyway.
Dumme
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I never go above or below 1.0 EC. I use the same EC for the total grow (Clone, Veg, and Flower); works just fine. Just goes to show than no two gardens are the same. Cheers
Dumme
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I agree fully! Be a leader, use only EC or CF when on this forum.