Evolution Is A Theory On Which You Base A Religion

fish601

fish601

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lol why am i talking to you about this

if you believe the bible you would believe in God but you dont believe there is a god so why would you believe the bible is accurate.

look i have spent many hours on SAB i found that site a few years ago trying to find that the bible wasnt real no evidence that i have seen on that page or anyother page has lead me to believe the bible is just stories. i realize they sound farfetched, but what good is a god that cant do amazing things?.

God doesnt allways do thing the way we would like.
 
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PadawanBater

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What I find interesting is that these people would rather believe this stuff and live life the way we do, so many of our brothers and sisters living essentially their entire life in poverty, than to face reality, experience a period of uncertainty and actually acknowledge that they do not have all the answers for once, then experience a high of enlightenment that you can only obtain by becoming an atheist. Tyler Durdens quote comes to mind "once you've lost everything, you're free to do anything", in the context I mean, once you drop your belief in a diety, the world competely opens up, it's an experience I have a difficult time putting into words. Something ganja could never give me... They'd rather believe than be the change that progresses mankind and this generation to the next level. We could do it, the goals are right there in front of our faces, and we could actually make a huge impact on the planet and the next generations to come if we could only get past this bullshit story that does nothing but devide and deceive.

Enlightenment ftw!
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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No, because Crackers perceptions aren't shaded by pre set conditions. Just look around.....it's chaos. Nature loves chaos. There is no plan....
 
fish601

fish601

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CrackerJax said:
No, because Crackers perceptions aren't shaded by pre set conditions. Just look around.....it's chaos. Nature loves chaos. There is no plan....
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haha yeah earth is just spining randomly
sun is randomly the right distance
we randomly evolved, you were just randomly born, if nature loves chaos how did all that happen?
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Since life only exists on planets which have the correct distance and source of heat.....it becomes a backward logical assumption.
Meaning if the balance was off, there would be no life.... the case on most planets statistically. An awful waste of space and resources..... unless it's random and not dependent upon a personal G*D touch.
 
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PadawanBater

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fish601 said:
haha yeah earth is just spining randomly
sun is randomly the right distance
we randomly evolved, you were just randomly born, if nature loves chaos how did all that happen?
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Cracker touched on this a little bit, but I get this argument a shit ton, more than any other probably, so I feel like I should throw my two cents in..

He's right fish, what you just did was take the conclusion of our circumstances, that is - us being alive, breathing, thinking here on Earth, then tried to assess how we came to be completely backwards. You don't start from the end and conclude "we are too complex to happen by chance", you start from the beginning and ask "what processes are responsible for our existence?". Doing it the way you just did presents a ton of problems and doesn't really deal with evidence or proof, it's all assertions and opinions.

Nothing about our existence is "random". If it was, we would exist in another form. Random is not the right word to use, because that implies there are other methods of existing, which we know nothing about, which is not ''random''.

We are here precisely because the processes that got us here and the mechanisms that are responsible are NOT random.

Evolution happens, life evolves, the planet evolves, we have been evolving ever since the beginning, along with the environment, to suit our habitat. If Earths orbit was a little different, we'd evolve accordingly to that, and that process would not be random either. See how that works? You can stick a 'random' label on anything you want. What makes something random to you? Why do you believe everything that has happened is all by chance? I don't really understand that...
 
anhedonia

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an insightful passage on the nature of enlightenment and the final liberation taken from an early translation of The Tibetan Book of the Dead.

"There is, deciples, a Realm devoid of earth and water, fire and air. It is not endless space nor infinite thought, nor nothingness, neither ideas nor non-ideas. Not this world nor that is it.
I call it neither a coming nor departing, nor standing still, nor death nor birth; it is without a basis, progress, or a stay; it is the ending of sorrow.
For that which clingeth to another thing there is a fall; but unto that which clingeth not no fall can come. Where no fall cometh there is rest, and where rest is, there is no keen DESIRE. Where keen desire is not, naught cometh or goeth; and where naught comrth or goeth there is no death, no birth.
Where there is neither death nor birth, there neither is this world nor that, nor inbetween - it is the ending of sorrow.
There is ,deciples, an Unbecome, Unborn, Unmade, Unformed; if there were not this Unbecome, Unborn, Unmade, Unformed, there would be no way out for that which is become, born, made and formed; but since there is an Unbecome, Unborn, Unmade, Unformed, there is escape for that which is become, born, made and formed."
- Buddha Gautama

Dharma will always exist wether humans are alive or extinct. Buddhists emphasize the importance of how precious this one lifetime is. When you look at the time that man has been alive thinking and contemplating existance its not even a blink of an eye. Its such an infinetesmal number. Its probably smaller. On the incomprehenceable scale. Theres so many things in nature that we should be humbled by but we take it for granted and get caught up with shit like the almighty. Its depressing.
 
That 5hit

That 5hit

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if people came from ape then there should be no apes around , now said that i still dont beleave that we just poofed here either- i think that man has always been on this planet and will always be here -man came from earlyer man and apes that we see today came from earlyer apes and k9's fromearlyer k9's and so on - there is no missing link of man and primate -sure man looks and ack like primates but thats means nothing . wales and dalphin both live in the sea and breath air but that dont mean that they re of the same order, no! humans like to think that primate are in there order because no other animal walkes on hind legs the way we do and comunacate the way they do- the truth of the mater is that human dont belong on this planet, they have been looking towards the ski for aliens for many years only to realize the truth that they have been searching for themselves- man is the only thing that does not make sence on this planet- the reason why early man was so educated about the stars is because that were they came from - this is what nasa knows- when they look toward the ski there not looking for alien life there looking for home. historyans and archaeologest are looking into the past for the answer on how and why we arived somewhere and some how the infromation was lost- every year we get some back
 
OregonMeds

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That 5hit said:
if people came from ape then there should be no apes around , now said that i still dont beleave that we just poofed here either- i think that man has always been on this planet and will always be here -man came from earlyer man and apes that we see today came from earlyer apes and k9's fromearlyer k9's and so on - there is no missing link of man and primate -sure man looks and ack like primates but thats means nothing . wales and dalphin both live in the sea and breath air but that dont mean that they re of the same order, no! humans like to think that primate are in there order because no other animal walkes on hind legs the way we do and comunacate the way they do- the truth of the mater is that human dont belong on this planet, they have been looking towards the ski for aliens for many years only to realize the truth that they have been searching for themselves- man is the only thing that does not make sence on this planet- the reason why early man was so educated about the stars is because that were they came from - this is what nasa knows- when they look toward the ski there not looking for alien life there looking for home. historyans and archaeologest are looking into the past for the answer on how and why we arived somewhere and some how the infromation was lost- every year we get some back
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Apes will not be around when they are no longer suited to exist in the environment they live in or when other species kill them all off. We see them becoming extinct in front of our own eyes with many species right now but just because we evolved doesn't mean we would have killed off all the apes.

Just because some evolved into neadertals or whatever in no way means all of them would or all of a previous species. That's why there is such biodiversity in the first place. There are way more types of animals on the world than would have fit two by two on any ark some sheepherder made within the limits of lumber contruction. And there are way more types of animals and life than would have been designed in only 7 days.

Some of what you say may be true though we could have been shipwrecked here and evolved elsewhere nobody can prove otherwise but more likely life has originated elsewhere in the universe and was seeded here as the simplest of organisms and evolved to where we are and life will keep being created and destroyed ad nauseum anywhere it can find a way.

We already know our planet had a beginning and it will also have an end. When it's destroyed it will spew cosmic contaminants all over to seed other planets as they get to where they can support life. Not a single complicated life form will make the trip through space and atmospheres but single cell organisms trapped in rock, bacteria trapped in rock etc that's what will make seed to start life elsewhere if it doesn't happen to start elsewhere too which it probably does.

The idea that we were shipwrecked here and evolved elsewhere is certainly more plausable than there being a god though I will give you that.
 
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waterboy

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Faith in any religion can be a good thing, It can get good people through some tough times, providing those of faith an anchor. Faith to the believer will trump science every time, they don't care because they have faith.

At times I wish I did too. wb
 
Anonononymous

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waterboy said:
It can get good people through some tough times, providing those of faith an anchor.
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Because it's a pillow of comfort in a bed of uncertainty. Faith is nothing more than a warm snuggly feeling that someone you can't see cares about you. It's a comfortable fantasy.
 
hitch420

hitch420

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Anonononymous said:
Because it's a pillow of comfort in a bed of uncertainty. Faith is nothing more than a warm snuggly feeling that someone you can't see cares about you. It's a comfortable fantasy.
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Proberly.. i felt the Holy spirit today! my god that was so much more powerfull than any other expirence in my life, The buzz felt ten times stronger Than any drug or cocktail of drugs i have ever taken.
Including the time i od on a mixture of pills and mdma and trust me that was intense.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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what part of "
the bible. It has been attacked by the best and its still proven to be an accurate historical document, with fulfilled prophecys, proven by sources outside of the bible, has no contradictions tho written by several people over many years." do you not understand?
I have look at the contradictions and i do not believe there are any!!!
I have looked into prophecy and i believe they are real and accurate!!
i became a christian after i was convinsed that the Qaran nor any other religion (that i know of) has fulfilled prophecy and lots of contradictions that is why i am a christian.. I believe the bible based on evidence outside of the bible :wall: you get it??
really even tho you dont agree if you cant understand what i am trying to say, i see now why you are theist
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I don't understand, here is something you should look through: http://www.ffrf.org/books/lfif/?t=contra

Here is one on historical contradictions: http://www.answering-christianity.com/sake.htm

One that I really like:
Is the Bible 100% faultless and untampered with by the Church?
Well then, in spite of these facts are the records found in the New Testament known to be 100% completely and fully authentic such that no intentional nor unintentional changes have ever been made by the church to the text of the NT? Well, since our opinion in this matter might be biased, therefore, let us ask the Christian scholars themselves:


"It is well known that the primitive Christian Gospel was initially transmitted by word of mouth and that this oral tradition resulted in variant reporting of word and deed. It is equally true that when the Christian record was committed to writing it continued to be the subject of verbal variation. Involuntary and intentional, at the hands of scribes and editors"
Peake's Commentary on the Bible, p. 633


"Yet, as a matter of fact, every book of the New Testament with the exception of the four great Epistles of St. Paul is at present more or less the subject of controversy, and interpolations are asserted even in these."
Encyclopaedia Brittanica, 12th Ed. Vol. 3, p. 643


Dr. Lobegott Friedrich Konstantin Von Tischendorf, one of the most adamant conservative Christian defenders of the Trinity and one of the Church's foremost scholars of the Bible was himself driven to admit that:
"[the New Testament had] in many passages undergone such serious modification of meaning as to leave us in painful uncertainty as to what the Apostles had actually written"


Secrets of Mount Sinai, James Bentley, p. 117
After listing many examples of contradictory statements in the Bible, Dr. Frederic Kenyon says:
"Besides the larger discrepancies, such as these, there is scarcely a verse in which there is not some variation of phrase in some copies [of the ancient manuscripts from which the Bible has been collected]. No one can say that these additions or omissions or alterations are matters of mere indifference"


Our Bible and the Ancient Manuscripts, Dr. Frederic Kenyon, Eyre and Spottiswoode, p. 3
The Jehovah's Witnesses in their "AWAKE" Magazine dated 8th September 1957 published the following headline: "50,000 Errors in the Bible" wherein they say "..there are probably 50,000 errors in the Bible...errors which have crept into the Bible text...50,000 such serious errors..." After all of this, however, they go on to say: "...as a whole the Bible is accurate."


Throughout this book you will find countless other similar quotations from some of Christendom's leading scholars. Let us suffice with these for now.
New Testament Contradictions
More than just a list of contradictions, since there are detailed comments on each one. Nice reading!
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Here is a good one from the contradictions:
4. How did Judas die?

a. In Matthew 27:5 Judas hangs himself.


b. In Acts 1:18 he bursts open and his insides spill out.


c. According to the apostle Paul, neither of the above is true. Paul says Jesus appeared to "the twelve" after his resurrection. Mark 14:20 makes it clear that Judas was one of the twelve.
In Matthew 19:28, Jesus tells the twelve disciples, including Judas, that when Jesus rules from his throne, they will sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
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Why are you looking for prophecies? If that is what you need, Nostradomis has made many more prophecies that are more exact than the Bible, and it is a lot harder to show his mistakes. So should we believe that he is the word of God?

When you go looking, you will find what you need, and that is what you did.

It does us no good to get you to see the facts, I try to just keep getting the information out there, because I like the refresher course that I go through when I do this.

Because this is a very important debate. When churches decide that the science being practiced is evil and corrupted and that thought leads to stagnating the country and leads to more and more panic and bombings of doctors and scientists it is time to strip the curtain that you all are standing behind shielding you from the real world.

You don't need god to exist, but he needs you to exist.
 
hitch420

hitch420

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hanimmal said:
I don't understand, here is something you should look through: http://www.ffrf.org/books/lfif/?t=contra

Here is one on historical contradictions: http://www.answering-christianity.com/sake.htm

One that I really like:


Here is a good one from the contradictions:


Why are you looking for prophecies? If that is what you need, Nostradomis has made many more prophecies that are more exact than the Bible, and it is a lot harder to show his mistakes. So should we believe that he is the word of God?

When you go looking, you will find what you need, and that is what you did.

It does us no good to get you to see the facts, I try to just keep getting the information out there, because I like the refresher course that I go through when I do this.

Because this is a very important debate. When churches decide that the science being practiced is evil and corrupted and that thought leads to stagnating the country and leads to more and more panic and bombings of doctors and scientists it is time to strip the curtain that you all are standing behind shielding you from the real world.

You don't need god to exist, but he needs you to exist.
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Have you got any science proof that what happened to me today was not a gift from the creator but something else?
I would love to hear your views and explanations
 
hitch420

hitch420

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Anonononymous said:
In what way did you 'know' it was a divine being touching you with an invisible hand?
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I went to church 100% sober.
Then People around me at church started doing all that "crazy stuff" likes falling down shaking etc etc.
Then a few people came and prayed for me and before you know it i felt wrecked !! The most intense buzz from my toes to the top of my head felt like i was rushing my tits off like being on lots of drugs.
I ended up on the floor.
stuck.
My hands were clentched in a weird postion that was almost painful. but i couldnt move.
And then after that a load of complete strangers started telling me things that i had read in the bible recently and thoughts that i hadnt shared with people but they were saying them word for word as they apeared in my head!!!! so that is how i came to the conclusion that it was from the all mighty.
 
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