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Hey woods , yeah sorry was stoned and have probably seen to many grows by experienced people and want to start at the deepend.

I want to use 3 plants instead of say 12-16 small ones and have seen grows were people have grown 3 plants vertical scrog but they always started underneath the screen so the plant grows up right into the screen and around the light , but these have used 250w lights to achive it for heat reasons , i think the plant would burn if it was subjected to a 600w

I was thinking of building a kinda pi rack system but only have 1 plant on each side instead of 5 on each side and then grow the 3 plants up horizontally/diagonally into the screen thus allowing me to get a true wall of green rather than half the plant being wrapped around the light. Do you think this would work.

Hope ive explained it better , still stoned mind you lol

Josephjones said:

Hey woods , yeah sorry was stoned and have probably seen to many grows by experienced people and want to start at the deepend.

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Josephjones said:

I want to use 3 plants instead of say 12-16 small ones and have seen grows were people have grown 3 plants vertical scrog but they always started underneath the screen so the plant grows up right into the screen and around the light , but these have used 250w lights to achive it for heat reasons , i think the plant would burn if it was subjected to a 600w I was thinking of building a kinda pi rack system but only have 1 plant on each side instead of 5 on each side and then grow the 3 plants up horizontally/diagonally into the screen thus allowing me to get a true wall of green rather than half the plant being wrapped around the light. Do you think this would work.

Hope ive explained it better , still stoned mind you lol

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Joseph; No problem pal; what I gather is that you are interested in a vertical grow using limited numbers of plants with your own twist on the vertical part. Sounds good.
First let me get you to explain what you mean here: "pi rack system" I think with further explanation of the system you would like to build or design, I may be of better help to you.
I think what may have been missed in some of the vertical gardens you have seen, is the use of a cooling system for the lighting. There are many methods for cooling lights in a vertical set up. Often I see "cool tubes" or exhausted housing that surrounds and shrouds the heated elements (bulb, socket, etc.). For the head over heals guy, maybe water cooled lighting would be intriguing.

Never the less, your only limited to what your mind is capable of. I look forward to seeing what you come up with!

Hi woods

http://www.pi-technics.com/

Thats who make it . I just want the bottom rack if you can see it and rather than 5 pots on each rack use 1 on 3 sides of my grow but make the plants hit a cage fitted around the light. Id also like to know weather id get away with using a higher angle than 45% to be more aggressive in making a wall around the light or would the buds become to heavy to hold due to growing on a angle,

I believe if i can build it properly i can fit a 400w or 600w hps son agro and have massive lumens per sq ft and as you said the cooltube could be fitted later in the grow as the plants encroach

　
[QUOTE=Josephjones;4143239]Hi woods

http://www.pi-technics.com/

Thats who make it . I just want the bottom rack if you can see it and rather than 5 pots on each rack use 1 on 3 sides of my grow but make the plants hit a cage fitted around the light. Id also like to know weather id get away with using a higher angle than 45% to be more aggressive in making a wall around the light or would the buds become to heavy to hold due to growing on a angle,

I believe if i can build it properly i can fit a 400w or 600w hps son agro and have massive lumens per sq ft and as you said the cooltube could be fitted later in the grow as the plants encroach[/QUOTE]

Very excellent point of talk/question!
I think the best way to address your question: will it work? Answer: Oh yeah.
Yeah I do, I think it would work. What I question here though is what your getting out of it. What should be decided is what you are trying to do exactly. Lets say: I am growing 6 plants. Three flowering three vegging. My goal is ultimately to grow as much good meds with the three flowering at one time as I can. I cant get around numbers, can I get around space? What is space? Vertical or horizontal? Which one am I truly limited on. If I have more room vertically than I do horizontally I may choose vertical however; I wouldn’t (Ill explain in a bit). In that given space how do I maximize my potential production? and that my friend, is what your trying to answer for yourself if I am not mistaken.
Vertical could be your answer. I look forward to what ever you decide.
As I have explained in pages past, each growing situation has its own set of circumstance and thus predetermines what will and will not work successfully to an extent; thus there is no one best way. It simply depends. My argument for why I will choose horizontal over vertically is simple. There are things you can change to predetermine the outcome of your crop, there are things you can do to manipulate the process of which the plant is forced to endure in order to achieve a goal that would not be achievable without, but you cannot simply change the structure of which the flower was predetermined (via evolution) to form. That formation is structured to endure gravities natural stress from a vertical possition and produce accordingly; from energy provided by a sun that is mostly vertically above the plant. Now, we know that the plant will flower regardless of the direction of which its forced however, I believe that the plants direction of growth is less important to maximum production than the flowers need to be vertical. I have been proven wrong before and would not be heart broken to be proven wrong again. But that’s my theory and it keeps me vertical.
I would however stack horizontal scrog chambers by adding a tube vertically through the center that allows light to be moved up and down inside it, while the whole stack rotates on a turn table around it. An additional tube would be placed vertically outside the turning environment and provide light to the outside edges of each screen in the same fashion as the inner tube. The outter tube could be used as a central lighting station for other pod/stacks to surround.

Been looking into training methods all day today and I think ScrOG is for me! The only question I have is if my incoming seeds will be an appropriate strain. I intend to grow a good mother and go from those clones. Incoming seeds are Red Dragon.

I have not listed Red Dragon. Give a report would ya?

Will do Won't be able to start until July, unfortunately .

Woodsman is out until May 22. See ya folks then!

Extended stay but back!~

Will be posting pics of my multi strain mini scrog individual screens soon. Just started flowering. We'll see how I manage, have everything from pure indica stretches only 30% to full sativa that I havent even grown before, supposedly stretches 300%. And hybrids that are mostly indica, half and half, and heavy on the sativa.

If I have one plant taller from soil to screen in its individual scrog will it stretch a lot more? I am using 3 gallon pots for all except one, I want to cram my 6th strain in one corner near the fan. Theres not enough room for another 3 gallon pot, so Im gonna use a 1 gal. But its half as tall. So Im just raised the screen up, and used a smaller screen. So all the other plants will be 8 inches tall and this one is like 16 or so. I could have just raised the pot but decided to do this.

Hello all, I'm back again for round two! My first scrog was a great success, and I owe it all to this thread! My first scrog was 1 Aurora Indica plant, in a 3 gal. pot , and I yielded 100 grams of dry weight off of her. So now I'm officially hooked on scrogging, It is some bomb ass weed! Well this time for round two I'm going to double the screen size, and use two plants instead of one. I'm using 1 Aurora Indica and 1 Wonder Women plant, both from Nirvana. I just put the screens on last week, and they are already taking off! This time (because of the summer, and It being so hott in my room) I'm using my 4 foot 4 tube T5 florescent light, instead of my 400 watt. I know I'll probably will yield less per plant, but I'll be able to sleep at night with out sweeting my ass off.LOL

On another note I just received an order I placed with Nirvana containing my very first Sativa strain! I already planted it, and I'm so looking forward growing a Sativa strain! I decided to go with Feminized Full Moon, a tropical Sativa with a trippy visual high! Can't wait!

I'll be right back to upload some pics, I have to switch over to fire fox to do that for some reason on my new lap top!

Actually Im sad to say its very small scale. Just one 250 watt. LOL. I plant to get a 600 going this winter in a 4x4 area.

Wolfscott: Very nice my friend, I am pleased to hear it. Glad you were happy with your strain choice too I knew you would. I also wanted to note on what a good choice you made by keeping the strain for round two. It tends to be a good idea to carry one on from the last harvest. Once you have spent the time learning the strain and how to control your environment in order to create its ideal conditions, it may vary for the next strain. Its much more easy to determin the root of problems when you can run a control. Running that which you are already familure with kinda helps this.

Businessmen: Small is a relative term. Scrog too started small my friend.

So Im on day 5 flower with the strain Ive never flowered and I think it was too soon, it looked like sour diesel stretched more then any Ive grown so I figured this cut thats supposed to be Purple Sour D should go in to flower early. Im really thinking of putting it back on veg a bit. Happen to not have my camera today.... I can see some pistols forming at the top in between leaves, but it does have some close nodes at the top that will probably stretch alot in between. It looks like my sativa dom white widow in growth pattern, which would end up stretching out alot in between nodes still. Guess I have to just see what happens. I just wonder how long into flower they will send out secondary branches after you place them lateral. And how tall your buds can get above the screen if you keep placing branches lateral until a few weeks in stretch.

how do you build one pm me pl

Businessmen, Azoo,

Sorry my server crashed. I had uploaded a lengthy response for the both of you however, it obviously did not make it.

"I just wonder how long into flower they will send out secondary branches after you place them lateral. And how tall your buds can get above the screen if you keep placing branches lateral until a few weeks in stretch."
The first two weeks are typically the "stretch" time for most strains. "Secondary growth" is prompted by the fact that LST is occurring by each branch being forced to lay laterally under the screen. Light reaching nodes promotes the new growth to stretch outward from the branch becoming the new "top" that is used to fill screen. As this occurs, the plant also responds by extending the growth of the original top which you have pulled under, and it becomes your "runner" if you will, that is used to reach the furthest parts of your screen. Once the screen is full and the growth is completely above the screen, growth will be determined by strain and environmental conditions. A balance can be achieved between induced stretch, and that which is a result of light distance creating ideal node spacing (practice and knowing the plant/ your set up helps here). Once flowering occurs however, the vegetative growth patters will diminish and the plants energy is spent on flowering production.
You can control the height of your canopy by pulling the taller branches back through during those weeks as you mentioned. Bud height will be determined by how tall you allow the growth above the screen, lighting, nutes, etc. as well as the obvious (strain type).

Azoo; Build what?

Photo's Photos Photos,

Looking for photos! Always looking for more. If anyone could be so kind as to share a few, I would much appreciate it! Anything Scrog!