Enslavement-to-the-Health-Care-Sector Act of 2010

I'm guessing moved to America. Like most the world has. I know there is some beautiful places in Europe that people in the uk move to like Italy and whatnot, but don't most move here?

And to the people that asked, that's a graph of here in the states, Regan cut taxes huge, it was a great thing for businesses and that means their workers too. So before the eighties they were facing a crazy high tax bracket here in the states too, but we really do have so much to offer as a country. We can change climates without ever having to try to become a citizen of another country if nothing else.




And a really good way to understand obamas tax rates is to understand that everyone gets the same tax rates on the first 250,000, it's only on the money people make past that that gets a 3% increase.

They left for places all over the world. It seems that Switzerland, France, Caribbean and the US were popular locations.

I love it here, I summer in Michigan and winter in Florida. If the tax rate ever gets to where it was in England in the 70's I would leave. All of my income is reported.

hanimmal said:

I'm guessing moved to America. Like most the world has. I know there is some beautiful places in Europe that people in the uk move to like Italy and whatnot, but don't most move here?

And to the people that asked, that's a graph of here in the states, Regan cut taxes huge, it was a great thing for businesses and that means their workers too. So before the eighties they were facing a crazy high tax bracket here in the states too, but we really do have so much to offer as a country. We can change climates without ever having to try to become a citizen of another country if nothing else.




And a really good way to understand obamas tax rates is to understand that everyone gets the same tax rates on the first 250,000, it's only on the money people make past that that gets a 3% increase.

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How were those countries taxes vs England?

What was the tax rate in the seventies in England.... Nm I'll go look. We were around what 70% for the top brackets at those times, so can't imagine it being much higher than that, aside from maybe due having to pay for the rebuild their country after ww2. Then I could see why it would have taxes above 80%. But that is a pretty easy argument to make about how those taxes would be used to grow the economy in long turn gains after it was paid off.

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Most people would realize that it is well off, but not wealthy. People who make $250k are still working people. I don't consider it rich, but I do consider it well off.

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It's like I said, it's relative.

Secondly, of the people on that list you posted of people who left Britain, how many actually left for tax reasons? I think you'll find that a lot of them left because of employment opportunities. I suspect that some also probably left for climate reasons.

And lastly, some of the people on that list you posted didn't leave Britain at all - for instance, George Harrison. He lived in London, which is where he died!

Yep, the top tax rate was 70%, but we allowed many more deductions which dropped the actual taxes owed by a large margin between the US and England. It is my personal belief that taxes do not grow the economy but hinder it.

WWII? That happened in the 1940's. I think you are grasping at straws.

hanimmal said:

How were those countries taxes vs England?

What was the tax rate in the seventies in England.... Nm I'll go look. We were around what 70% for the top brackets at those times, so can't imagine it being much higher than that, aside from maybe due having to pay for the rebuild their country after ww2. Then I could see why it would have taxes above 80%. But that is a pretty easy argument to make about how those taxes would be used to grow the economy in long turn gains after it was paid off.

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Bootsie, Those people did leave England for tax reasons. Some just for just a year to protest, some stayed away forever. George Harrison did leave England for tax reasons and later returned. I don't know about the climate reasons, but that in itself is a good one.

bootsie said:

It's like I said, it's relative.

Secondly, of the people on that list you posted of people who left Britain, how many actually left for tax reasons? I think you'll find that a lot of them left because of employment opportunities. I suspect that some also probably left for climate reasons.

And lastly, some of the people on that list you posted didn't leave Britain at all - for instance, George Harrison. He lived in London, which is where he died!

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I don't understand what all the talk is about taxes anyway. Taxes aren't mentioned in the article I posted a link to. It's about the enslavement of the American people to the health care sector and how Obama will go down as the fiirst president to reintroduce a form of salvery to the United States. It's also about how the new joke health care legislation was actually written by special interests.

bootsie said:

I don't understand what all the talk is about taxes anyway. Taxes aren't mentioned in the article I posted a link to. It's about the enslavement of the American people to the health care sector and how Obama will go down as the fiirst president to reintroduce a form of salvery to the United States. It's also about how the new joke health care legislation was actually written by special interests.

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Tax talk-damned if I know we got off topic somehow. lol

ganja girl said:

Tax talk-damned if I know we got off topic somehow. lol

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I think that people were trying to compare the taxes that people who live in countries that have single-payer national health care systems pay with what we pay in the United States. The problem with that is although the people in those countries might pay higher taxes, only a portion of that is for health care. The only valid comparison is on a per capita basis. In other words, what people in various countries pay per capita compared to what we pay and these are the facts: Americans pay the most per capita for health care than any other country in the world. How high? Let's put it this way: Twice as high as the next highest. And as the article pointed out, people in countries that pay 1/2 what we do per capita - Canada and Britain, for instance - are actually healthier than Americans are!

bootsie said:

I don't understand what all the talk is about taxes anyway. Taxes aren't mentioned in the article I posted a link to. It's about the enslavement of the American people to the health care sector and how Obama will go down as the fiirst president to reintroduce a form of salvery to the United States. It's also about how the new joke health care legislation was actually written by special interests.

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Taxes, health care legislation, pot laws all symptoms of the same disease.

Not only that, but foreign countries aren't alone when it comes to the wealthy wanting to get out of paying taxes. Don't anyone forget the United States. We have our share of wealthy tax dodgers as well. So it really has nothing to do with health care.

Yep, the top tax rate was 70%, but we allowed many more deductions which dropped the actual taxes owed by a large margin between the US and England. It is my personal belief that taxes do not grow the economy but hinder it.

WWII? That happened in the 1940's. I think you are grasping at straws.

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How were those countries taxes vs England?

What was the tax rate in the seventies in England.... Nm I'll go look. We were around what 70% for the top brackets at those times, so can't imagine it being much higher than that, aside from maybe due having to pay for the rebuild their country after ww2. Then I could see why it would have taxes above 80%. But that is a pretty easy argument to make about how those taxes would be used to grow the economy in long turn gains after it was paid off.

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That's the magic of Government bonds. Or another way to think of it, the ability to convert long term debt into short term investing that makes far better gains for the investor and borrower, because the borrower is able to make far more money with the investment than they have to pay back in interest and the investor makes his profit off of the loan too, win win.

So anyway, when would thirty year bonds mature that were used to fix war torn England? 1975-1980 right? So do you really not find it interesting that at the time those loans are coming mature, the taxes started to get cut, the government no longer needed that huge amount of taxes from the very people they borrowed from to repay the debt, and taxes got cut because it was way to high if they were not going to ways to rebuild the economy.

People keep making an issue out of the taxes that people in countries with national health care systems pay but what they're coveniently overlooking is that those people don't pay anything when they seek medical attention. Secondly, what's the point? That people in the United States don't pay anything for health care because we don't have a national health care system and consequently don't have to pay taxes for one? Well, I've got news for ya. We just pay a different way. Instead of through taxes through insurance premiums, or out of pocket if we don't have insurance. And because Americans pay the highest prices in the world for health care, that means what we pay for insurance premiyms dwarfs what people in countries with national health care systems pay in taxes for health care. If we're going to introduce raxes into the duscussion, let's get the facts straight.