Emerald Triangl products owners respond about carcinogens

I agree. I just mean all should try to stay away from products on a dangerous level but there are harmless products out there that would show toxins at a very small level (single digit parts-per-billion) too. Sometimes companies just use that against other companies to get a grip on some customer base when really (sometimes) said company has no more carcinogens/whatnot than any similar product. It's important to look into stuff like that but sometimes it's just people bitching.

Gravity has 516ppm of Paclo, which is know to give off toxic fumes when burned. It works, but I'm throwing away my bottle. Not worth it.

Good article:
http://www.marijuanagrowershq.com/plant-growth-regulators-poison-marijuana/

According to the article: "Paclobutrazol is banned in most European countries while the US EPA lists it as “Moderately Hazardous” and states, “This substance has not undergone a complete evaluation and determination under US EPA’s IRIS program for evidence of human carcinogenic potential”. At this time it appears that Paclobutrazol has not been banned but has no food use registrations in the USA."


The recall notice:
http://www.integralhydro.com/PDFsamples/GravityFlowerHardener.pdf
http://www.integralhydro.com/PDFsamples/CDFA_FOIA.pdf

PJ Diaz said:

Good luck building up an immunity to toxic materials like arsenic or mercury.

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Naturally accruing arsenic has been detected in rice. I just saw a story on it and to not to stop eating it, but to limit it in children. There are natural toxins everywhere. Anthrax is naturally in soil, radon from soil, toxins in sea food...If you looked up all the toxins in nature that we can't prevent, you either live with it or live scared. If you fly a lot, your get more radiation exposure than those who do not.

If I was worried about stuff like that I'd toss it as well. That's a pretty high level (depending on the toxicity of Paclo), most carcinogens/bad stuff are only allowed to have trace portions, in the low Parts Per Billion usually. Though, the Earth's soil itself contains much of this stuff that we are taught to fear- like the biggest concentration of arsenic is right below your feet + 1000's of other dangerous substances. I'm not saying that means it's ok or that you should feed any of it to you're plants, I just wanted to make sure that this information (as well as a good definition of trace amounts) was taken into consideration throughout the thread. Good find though, thank you for citing your information source.

Dirty Harry said:

Naturally accruing arsenic has been detected in rice. I just saw a story on it and to not to stop eating it, but to limit it in children. There are natural toxins everywhere. Anthrax is naturally in soil, radon from soil, toxins in sea food...If you looked up all the toxins in nature that we can't prevent, you either live with it or live scared. If you fly a lot, your get more radiation exposure than those who do not.

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Excellent post! This is all very true according to my wisdom/research (or lack thereof, lol.) If you were to start looking up dangerous substances that occur naturally then your work would never be finished. It's such a large field that most of the scientists involved specialize in very small fields of interest. They say to limit the rice intake (brown rice) in children because their tolerance isn't usually as good, or high as an adults (though in some cases, children actually have a better tolerance built towards certain toxicities/illnesses), old people suck and therefore must be careful of all forms of danger.

Because of the toxic age in which we now live, there's even more reason to be aware of and limit our exposure to such substances -- not encourage it.

I also stopped buying rice last week as well, and won't feed it to my kids.

There is a real life thing called long term built up toxicity. Check it out.

PJ Diaz said:

...I also stopped buying rice last week as well, and won't feed it to my kids...

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If you live in Asian areas where that is the staple, not so easy. It can probably happen everywhere depending on soil and environment conditions.

Lol. I will keep eating rice; do you realize how many other foods are made from rice? Nobody is 'encouraging toxic substances' whatsoever, that's exactly what this thread is about. All should learn that there's a point at which these things become "toxic." ...and <500 PPB is not, at all, that point (with most toxins.)
Yes- we all know that horrible toxins build up in your system, that is IF you consume too much of it at one time so that your body can not waste it through hair, nails, sweat & urine- as it does every other day of your life.

...this is the same rice people have been loving for 1000's of years, I don't know of anyone who has died eating brown rice; this is something nobody even noticed (even though it was always there) until just a few years ago. It doesn't sound good but in all reality the amount of arsenic in brown rice is harmless unless you're eating pounds, or more, of it per day. I am not encouraging arsenic use (lol), I'm just saying if you're going to worry about toxins then you should worry about the ones (or the dose) that can actually hurt you. I'm not worried about any of it, I eat what tastes good, I use what nutrients give me the best result.. Life's too short to stop eating rice. (<---Metaphorically speaking.)

What makes you so sure it's always been there?

It occurs naturally, in all plants & animals. I agree with you though, you should keep an eye out for harmful things but don't live life in paranoia; a little research can go a long way. Rice does, however, contain larger amounts than usual- so much that it shows up in rice based cereals, syrups, etc. but I've eaten Fruity Pebbles for most of my life and I'm fine, lol.

this thread has given me a lot to think about. good shit

Just because it can be naturally occurring doesn't mean that's the main source in the things like rice. That's like saying since LSD can occur naturally in nature, that it's all naturally occurring.

A lot of you have the attitude that there are too many things to worry about, so why worry about anything. I can relate to that, but the fact is that there are things you can do to reduce your risk of getting cancer. Cancer causes 13% of all deaths annual according to the World Health Organization (WHO) and more in the USA. The biggest thing you can do is to quit smoking cigarettes. However, there is a misconception that chemicals only rarely cause cancer. Unfortunately, this is not true. (I think this misconception is encouraged by companies that pollute the environment, but that is another topic.) There are a lot of different conflicting stats out there about what percent of cancers have environmental factors, but it is fair to say that they are a significant cause of cancer. Being young does not protect you. For many substances, it is the years of exposure that eventually cause cancer. So the time to start protecting yourself is when you are young. I'm not an alarmist, but it is common sense to not put toxins on the plants you plan to smoke or eat.

Here is what the WHO says:

What causes cancer?

Cancer arises from one single cell. The transformation from a normal cell into a tumour cell is a multistage process, typically a progression from a pre-cancerous lesion to malignant tumours. These changes are the result of the interaction between a person's genetic factors and three categories of external agents, including:

• physical carcinogens, such as ultraviolet and ionizing radiation;
• chemical carcinogens, such as asbestos, components of tobacco smoke, aflatoxin (a food contaminant) and arsenic (a drinking water contaminant); and
• biological carcinogens, such as infections from certain viruses, bacteria or parasites.

The arsenic in rice is not naturally occurring at the levels being found now. It is the result of the heavy metals that used to be common in fertilizers and pesticides applied to food crops. Most rice fields in the USA used to grow other crops. The metals built up in the ground and are soaked out when the field is turned into a rice paddy. The rice readily absorbs it, as do you when you eat the rice.

Personally, I have not decided if I will stop eating rice because of this. I will likely cut back. Our food supply is being poisoned by agra-business.

I think the spike in the rates in cancer and autism are linked to GMO products. If you do the research, and it can take a lot of time, the spikes started at about the same time GMO products were introduced into the food supply. They are playing with the genes which are like the computer code of life. We all know when bad computer code is introduced into a healthy computer system, things can start going to hell real fast. If some of the mutation they created enters our DNA, things start to change. Before the introduction of GMO crops, cancer and autism levels were a hell of a lot lower than they are now. Something in the environment changed. It could be a coincidence of the GMO introduction, but that could also be the reason. If you have a scientific study that links anything to GMO, Monsanto shuts you down ASAP. Only the US and Canada do not require GMO labeling. Other developed countries require it. That should make one think because Monsanto sues and spends a lot of money to prevent GMO labeling.
The growth hormones used to fatten up live stock is carrying over as residue in the meat and dairy products. That could be a reason for the obesity rates we have. Countries that don't use the stuff do not suffer that effect. GMO and hormone treated food is cheaper than the food that doesn't use it, so it is consumed in larger numbers.

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Just so you know food production laws in Europe and Japan are much stricter then the USA F.D.A. rules, actually states in the USA play a much larger role in labeling and allowed uses of ferts on food crops.

Also most of Europe is non-GMO where the USA and Canada are the 2 largest producers of gmo crops.

Jack..... look up triacontanol which is made from alfalfa meal and is the primary ingredient in snow storm ultra. Also I know that Gravity is a Kelp Based product but not exactly sure whats in it.... I think it was either someone on icmag or thcfarmer that was talking about how to make that one at home as well.

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Alfalfa Tea and the tricontanol among the other goodies it contains and the ease of making it yourself makes it must in any garden in my opinion. Wonderful stuff.

http://www.dirtdoctor.com/Alfalfa-Meal-Tea_vq2223.htm



EDIT: it seems to me if you wipe your ass wrong these days you can get cancer...which way do yo turn anymore?

PJ Diaz said:

Just because it can be naturally occurring doesn't mean that's the main source in the things like rice. That's like saying since LSD can occur naturally in nature, that it's all naturally occurring.

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I never said that, I said arsenic occurs naturally in EVERY living creature. Rice just happens to have a higher concentration of it (because of it's natural absorbency. Lysergic acid does occur naturally, it takes quite an extraction process to make it psychoactive.

The attitude we have is not

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What we are stressing here is that there's a plethora of people readily available, willing to disregard products they've used their entire lives- because of non-toxic levels of these things that are found; is just silly. We've known for a long time that rice pulls toxins out of the ground, arsenic is in the ground... I know it's also in chemicals used for agriculture but the largest concentration of it is in the ground and rice will continue to absorb it & so will you if you eat the rice. I also do not believe any smart person is spraying toxins directly onto their plants. If something is harmful- then don't use it, duh; what were getting at is there's a lot of people who are changing their lives completely over NON-toxic levels of these things in very common products.
Harmful chemicals are found even in 'organic' produce, there's absolutely nothing you can do about it, though I suppose you could just stop eating plants/animals but then you'd likely starve to death very quickly. Just try listing the harmful stuff you run into everyday, it would be never-ending. I am NOT saying that it's pointless to look after your own health, I'm saying the opposite; just trying to encourage people to look at things IN HARMFUL levels. The 20% spike in rice arsenic (from 50 PPB to 60 PPB) is not a very significant one at all. Most of this I learned living in a farm town, where things like this are question all of the time. Wikipedia should not be read and understood as fact, because it's written by people just like me and you.

Actual levels of arsenic in rice: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2012/11/arsenic-in-your-food/index.htm#chart

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I also do not believe any smart person is spraying toxins directly onto their plants. If something is harmful- then don't use it, duh;

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If you read the topic from the start, it actually is a discussion of A. are these substances toxic and B. should we stop using them. There are several posters who say they will keep using them regardless.

Your other points, I basically agree with. However, people should understand that harmful levels are often set with by regulators with close ties to industry. Often there is limited or contradictory science behind it. It is difficult to do studies on human effects of toxins, of course. The other critical thing is that many toxins like arsenic accumulate in your body over your whole life. So, it makes sense to look for easy ways to reduce your exposure like cooking your rice with extra water or cutting down on it.

Don't be fearful, be smart.