Embassys attacked

tet1953

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The American Embassy in Cairo and a consulate in Bengazi, Libya were attacked today. Ostensibly due to some video that is out there that disses Mohammed or something.

In both cases, walls were breached; a single such incident is extremely rare and real cause for concern. But two in one day? Not good.

In Cairo they were able to replace the American flag atop the embassy with a black one with Islamic phrases.
In Libya, one American thus far has been reported killed.
This could spread and escalate very easily.

I said this months ago, but it is worth repeating here. These people (the "freedom fighters" of the Islamic Spring) hated us a year ago, before they begged for our help in ridding themselves of dictators, and they will hate us once it is done. It is playing out that way everywhere we are in the ME. We need to get out.
 

timbo123

Active Member
Are you freaking kidding me? What happened to Marines with guns guarding our freaking embassy? They just watched them replace our flag? WTF?
 

tet1953

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Are you freaking kidding me? What happened to Marines with guns guarding our freaking embassy? They just watched them replace our flag? WTF?
I'm not sure what the story is there, timbo. It is possible that it was not guarded by U.S. Marines. While that is the norm, I believe there are arrangements with some governments for local protection. Egyption police and miltary formed a perimeter at some point, and no casualties are reported there. Still, they did get pretty far. As for Libya, no idea.
 

Fungus Gnat

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I'm not sure what the story is there, timbo. It is possible that it was not guarded by U.S. Marines. While that is the norm, I believe there are arrangements with some governments for local protection. Egyption police and miltary formed a perimeter at some point, and no casualties are reported there. Still, they did get pretty far. As for Libya, no idea.
They have marines but they were likely guarding embassy personnel. These were protests about a guy that made a documentary about Muhammad. It's is being promoted by a Coptic christian in the states. The Coptic christian community of Egypt aren't amused.
 

NoDrama

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I'm not sure what the story is there, timbo. It is possible that it was not guarded by U.S. Marines. While that is the norm, I believe there are arrangements with some governments for local protection. Egyption police and miltary formed a perimeter at some point, and no casualties are reported there. Still, they did get pretty far. As for Libya, no idea.
Every US Embassy in the world has US Marines guarding them. Consulates are not embassies, they aren't guarded by Marines. Libya had a consulate, a consulate is the residence of the consul.
 

tet1953

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Every US Embassy in the world has US Marines guarding them. Consulates are not embassies, they aren't guarded by Marines. Libya had a consulate, a consulate is the residence of the consul.
Thanks for the clarification
 

MacGuyver4.2.0

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The REAL question is not- "Who is protecting the Consul or Embassy" but- WHO is going to protect "you". Not your government!

ATF’s latest gun grab
Agency reduces due process for seizing firearms

The Washington Times Thursday, September 6, 2012

The Obama administration is making it easier for bureaucrats to take away guns without offering the accused any realistic due process. In a final rule published last week, the Justice Department granted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) authority to "seize and administratively forfeit property involved in controlled-substance abuses." That means government can grab firearms and other property from someone who has never been convicted or even charged with any crime.
It's a dangerous extension of the civil-forfeiture doctrine, a surreal legal fiction in which the seized property -- not a person -- is put on trial. This allows prosecutors to dispense with pesky constitutional rights, which conveniently don't apply to inanimate objects. In this looking-glass world, the owner is effectively guilty until proved innocent and has the burden of proving otherwise. Anyone falsely accused will never see his property again unless he succeeds in an expensive uphill legal battle.

Such seizures are common in drug cases, which sometimes can ensnare people who have done nothing wrong. James Lieto found out about civil forfeiture the hard way when the FBI seized $392,000 from his business because the money was being carried by an armored-car firm he had hired that had fallen under a federal investigation. As the Wall Street Journal reported, Mr. Lieto was never accused of any crime, yet he spent thousands in legal fees to get his money back.
Law enforcement agencies love civil forfeiture because it's extremely lucrative. The Department of Justice's Assets Forfeiture Fund had $2.8 billion in booty in 2011, according to a January audit. Seizing guns from purported criminals is nothing new; Justice destroyed or kept 11,355 guns last year, returning just 396 to innocent owners. The new ATF rule undoubtedly is designed to ramp up the gun-grabbing because, as the rule justification claims, "The nexus between drug trafficking and firearm violence is well established."

The main problem is that civil forfeiture creates a perverse profit motive, leaving bureaucrats with strong incentives to abuse a process that doesn't sufficiently protect those who may be wrongly accused. Criminal forfeiture is more appropriate because it's tied to a conviction in a court with the option of a jury trial and evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. Innocents like Mr. Lieto have to fight against the might of the U.S. government with a watered-down standard that stacks the legal deck so prosecutors can get a quick win.

The rule extending civil-forfeiture power to the ATF recognizes this dynamic, stating with perhaps unconscious cynicism that an uncontested civil forfeiture "can be perfected for minimal cost" compared to the "hundreds or thousands of dollars" and "years" needed for judicial forfeiture. Nowhere is there any recognition of the burden placed on innocent citizens stripped of their property, or of the erosion of their civil liberties. In fact, the rule argues that, because in the past the ATF could turn over requests for civil forfeiture to the Drug Enforcement Administration, there has been no change in "individual rights."
Instead of expanding the profit motive in policing, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. should be working to eliminate it.
 

abandonconflict

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Well, see how it plays out, if any of our freedom of speech is taken over this, I predict YouTube will be full of Muhammad depictions.
 

newatit2010

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WEll if we attack their embassy here the marines will be there. Fuck the muslim bastards nuke them. It's coming may as well be first.
 

mr2shim

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I was voting when you were shitting green. At least it was not for a American hating mofo like obama.
Clearly hates America. That's why our Economy has been picking up jobs every month for the past 2.5 years. Definitely a man that hates his Country. Why don't you just admit you hate anything that isn't Republican? At least I could commend you for being honest.
 

tet1953

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All this debate about Obama and Romney is a waste of time and energy. It doesn't matter who wins! Nothing is going to change. The country has never been more divided; indeed at roughly 50/50 it could not be more divided. This is reflected in who we elect. The White House has power, sure, but as we've seen it is very limited in the grand scheme. We are looking at years more of gridlock in DC and nothing of substance will get done.
 

BadDog40

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All this debate about Obama and Romney is a waste of time and energy. It doesn't matter who wins! Nothing is going to change. The country has never been more divided; indeed at roughly 50/50 it could not be more divided. This is reflected in who we elect. The White House has power, sure, but as we've seen it is very limited in the grand scheme. We are looking at years more of gridlock in DC and nothing of substance will get done.

It does matter because there will be at least two supreme court nominees in the next 4 years, whoever is president will set the course the country is on for the next 50 years.
 
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