if you have any terminal patients that need quality meds pm me. and if you can only find top shelf and are buying at those outrageous prices also pm me. selling to dispensaries will be against the law and most dispensaries offer %50 retail for caregivers and patients so if they sell oz for 400 they will pay you 200 and so on. the same is for clones edibles concentrates etc. some collectives are greedy and pay less and charge more like elements. they say 170 or so for an oz and then sell eights for 60+. that is ripping off patients if you ask me and if that is the plan for you to make money, you are not the one doing the gouging, but you are making it possible. for these reasons i make my meds available through different online forums and farmers markets i cut out the middle so i can get more than the coops would pay me and charge less than they would patients. what trail have you been blazing and how much do you actually donate to terminal patients?
Element Collective??
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Why would my patients pay for your meds when they get mine for free? They are happy with my product thus far, it is comparable or better than what they have procured in the past recreationally. My learning curve is referring to increasing yield, and if the product gets better, that's great too. Not necessary though. I've been a consumer for 3 decades, and it is damn good, especially for a noob. Although more crystals would be a bonus, but no one has complained so far.
I currently have 5 terminal cancer patients as I work in the oncology field with my day job. I have a long standing relationship with them and their families. It's an honor for me to help them through the end phase of their lives. Both my parents passed away a few months apart, so much to deal with, so much stress, so many regrets, so much wasted time instead of focusing on what is really important like preparing for leaving the family without that person. When you experience that kind of loss, it profoundly changes you, or at least it did me. It's good karma. Plus it allows me to hone a skill that will eventually lead to a bigger venture. This is merely a stepping stone.
We will see the laws change frequently once the dispensaries open. Mmj isn't a needed income source for me, so I am able to hold on to what I have unto it suits my needs to move it. Meanwhile, I get to experiment often, and my patients are willing guinea pigs.
Im not clear on how I'm making gouging possible, that makes no sense. As I stated earlier, I have yet to receive a penny for any medicine.
I have no need for supplies, have plenty. But I will keep it in mind for the future.
i never said your terminal patients would pay and when i was talking about price gougin i was refering to the idea which you stated to supply the dispensaries.
Why would selling to the dispensaries encourage price gouging?
You are supplying to the middle man who charges 200% on his wholesale price. Anyway enough arguing. If you want some free edibles for your terminal patients let me know. I am about to harvest soon and will be making edibles with all the trim. Pm me if your interested. Also if you want some help with your grow don't be afraid to ask.
phxfire
New Member
Ok folks this is my point... First off I have not read any posts since the last time I was on... This is my second post after not reading a single post!!!! HAHA
1 oz of high quality medicine can be grown for around $60 an oz..
Justify a higher price/reimbursement than $250?? Please explain.... Someone..
I lied.. I read the post before mine!! HA
1 oz of high quality medicine can be grown for around $60 an oz..
Justify a higher price/reimbursement than $250?? Please explain.... Someone..
I lied.. I read the post before mine!! HA
apothecarist
Well-Known Member
Maybe your safety is worth less than others?
https://www.google.com/search?q=marijuana+caregiver+home+invasion
phxfire
New Member
Safety of your own being is NOT an incurred cost to justify high medicine costs for patients... That simple..Maybe your safety is worth less than others?
Windows that are secured, doors that do not force easy, stuff like that is required by the AMMA.. Did you read it??
"Enclosed, locked facility" means a closet, room, greenhouse or other enclosed area equipped with locks or other security devices that permit access only by a cardholder.
If you get robbed; unfortunately you are not in compliance with the AMMA..
Locks or devices that permit access only by cardholder.... That does not mean any lock nor does it mean any device. It means the lock or device to be installed by cardholder and the cardholder is responsible to see it through.. Key words: "equipped" and "only" Meaning NO one should be able to HAVE access to cultivation area except cardholder. Period.
My opinion though!!! For the most part!
price is merely a point where demand and supply meet. it rarely has anything to do with actual production costs. commodity is a commodity and a consumed one at that means constant demand which creates a need for constant supply. things are not worth what they cost to make but rather what someone will pay for it. do you think a big mac really costs what they charge you at mcdonalds? does gasoline really cost four dollars to take it out of the ground, refine and ship it? where there is a market of an exchange of goods or services the laws of economics always come into play.
apothecarist
Well-Known Member
bingo
would you sell your house for less because just because it 'wasn't worth it'? Your car? Would you work for less? Doubt it. MJ isn't any different.
phxfire
New Member
Exactly my friend!!!!
But does that entitle ALL patients to begin selling medicine because they have a card or are growing it? NO
In my opinion!
It is all about helping other patients first... Do I profit from my labors?
That is a foolish question to answer or to ask someone...
You must not know of Mr. Phil Gordon and the imposed "Sin Tax" on strip clubs...?? And his reason for NOT implying the tax...
We have rights as Citizens.. Look at the IRS; a voluntary system, look how many idiots think they can out smart them... Even the IRS
accepts the Constitutional Rights of Citizens. For the most part!.
A trick I learned -
A bide by the laws to the best of your ability!! And let your lawyer do ALL the talking...
OVER 75% of convictions are AFTER folks give up their Constitutional rights....
intangible assets and opportunity costs vary greatly. reimbursement can not cover labor but costs such a rent are reimbursable. the irs does not have to abide by your constitutional rights and you do owe them money even on profits made illegally. and the IRS is not a voluntary system thats why they put you in jail for not paying taxes. just ask wesley snipes about it. i do agree that you should never give up your constitutional rights. i do not condone over charging patients, but if you compare to pharmaceuticals the margins are not even comparable.
phxfire
New Member
Agreed.. But the IRS is a voluntary system my friend... Many get caught for NOT filing.
If is was not voluntary you would have the tax taken out before you ever received a dime.
But it all come down to how you make your income too..
Many have taxes taken out of their check every pay period so it may not feel voluntary.
it is not voluntary it just takes them a while to enforce the law. it is a law like any other. if it was voluntary then no one would have to pay taxes. but everyone does. meaning not voluntary. there re certain rules about who has to pay what and there are many loopholes to reduce the amount you pay and some people become exempt because they did not make enough money. but either way taxes are not voluntary.
phxfire
New Member
Some assert that they are not required to file federal tax returns because the filing of a tax return is voluntary.
Proponents point to the fact that the IRS itself tells taxpayers in the Form 1040 instruction book that the tax system is voluntary.
Mypoint - The system itself is voluntry.
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106502,00.html
Proponents point to the fact that the IRS itself tells taxpayers in the Form 1040 instruction book that the tax system is voluntary.
Mypoint - The system itself is voluntry.
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=106502,00.html
They use the word voluntary and this is also whay it says
The Law:*The word "voluntary," as used in Flora and in IRS publications, refers to our system of allowing taxpayers to determine the correct amount of tax and complete the appropriate returns, rather than have the government determine tax for them. The requirement to file an income tax return is not voluntary and is clearly set forth in Internal Revenue Code §§ 6011(a) ,* 6012(a) , et seq., and 6072(a). See also Treas. Reg. § 1.6011-1(a).Any taxpayer who has received more than a statutorily determined amount of gross income is obligated to file a return. Failure to file a tax return could subject the noncomplying individual to criminal penalties, including fines and imprisonment, as well as civil penalties. In*United States v. Tedder, 787 F.2d 540, 542 (10 th Cir. 1986), the court clearly states, "although Treasury regulations establish voluntary compliance as the general method of income tax collection, Congress gave the Secretary of the Treasury the power to enforce the income tax laws through involuntary collection . . . . The IRS' efforts to obtain compliance with the tax laws are entirely proper."
The Law:*The word "voluntary," as used in Flora and in IRS publications, refers to our system of allowing taxpayers to determine the correct amount of tax and complete the appropriate returns, rather than have the government determine tax for them. The requirement to file an income tax return is not voluntary and is clearly set forth in Internal Revenue Code §§ 6011(a) ,* 6012(a) , et seq., and 6072(a). See also Treas. Reg. § 1.6011-1(a).Any taxpayer who has received more than a statutorily determined amount of gross income is obligated to file a return. Failure to file a tax return could subject the noncomplying individual to criminal penalties, including fines and imprisonment, as well as civil penalties. In*United States v. Tedder, 787 F.2d 540, 542 (10 th Cir. 1986), the court clearly states, "although Treasury regulations establish voluntary compliance as the general method of income tax collection, Congress gave the Secretary of the Treasury the power to enforce the income tax laws through involuntary collection . . . . The IRS' efforts to obtain compliance with the tax laws are entirely proper."
MacGuyver4.2.0
Well-Known Member
Uh, Oh. I think the government (who commits crimes all day) may have un-wittingly committed a crime by making taxes 'voluntary'. How? We'll if it truly is 'voluntary' as opposed to mandatory, the U.S. Governmnet has purposely allowed people to cheat on thier taxes! Instead of just telling you "this is what you owe me, pay up bitch!"
they 'allow' you to:
-do your own taxes, honestly
-hire someone else to do them for you
-do your own taxes, dishonestly
-hire someone else to do your taxes, dishonestly.
-file early
-file late
-do not file at all!
Look at all those possible outcomes already! By allowing so many variables to the equation the chance of failure is much higher. So, in a way, the government is allowing all of those possible outcomes, including the ones that are distinctly cheating. Allowing one to cheat and then penalize/arrest them for it is kind of like entrapment, isn't it?
they 'allow' you to:
-do your own taxes, honestly
-hire someone else to do them for you
-do your own taxes, dishonestly
-hire someone else to do your taxes, dishonestly.
-file early
-file late
-do not file at all!
Look at all those possible outcomes already! By allowing so many variables to the equation the chance of failure is much higher. So, in a way, the government is allowing all of those possible outcomes, including the ones that are distinctly cheating. Allowing one to cheat and then penalize/arrest them for it is kind of like entrapment, isn't it?
phxfire
New Member
the word has a very Loose term for sure...
phxfire
New Member
Put it this way... When you file a 1040 or 1065 you fill in the blanks on the forms...
No one forces you or looks over the numbers(unless of course you get audited)
Like I say.. It is a big mistake thinking you can out smart them.