El Cheapo Guide to CO2

Doctor Pot

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A lot of misinformation seems to be going around about CO2, especially at the lower end of the price range. And so I present:

El Cheapo Guide to CO2

CO2? What is it? Well, as anyone who has taken high school chemistry knows, CO2 is carbon dioxide, and plants need it in order to grow. As anyone who has been following the news knows, CO2 also appears to contribute to climate change, and is given off by fossil fuels and every life form that doesn't contain chlorophyll.

Of course, the first step you need to take, if you plan to add CO2 to your grow room is to make sure you won't just lose it all by venting. If your room is drafty or in a well-ventilated area, you don't have much to gain by adding CO2. But if there isn't much air exchange between your room and the outside world, read on.

So how do we get it to our plants? Well, we can either buy it or make it. You can buy it in tanks from beer distributors and welding supply shops, but you need all sorts of expensive equipment to regulate it. So this isn't in the scope of El Cheapo Guide. I guess that means we have to make it.

Getting Other Organisms to Make CO2 For You

One way is to put some other organism in your grow room that doesn't need light. One example of such an organism is yourself. Sleeping in the same room as your plants will provide them with plenty. But if your grow lights keep you awake, you may want to enlist the help of some other organism. This includes stuff like bacteria and fungi.
For example, fertilizing your plants with molasses not only helps their roots, but the bacteria in the soil will eat the molasses and give off CO2. Like growing mushrooms? Great, put em in your grow room! Like brewing beer or wine? Put those fermenters in your grow room too! Those bubbles coming out the airlock are pure CO2. Want to mask the smell of your plants? Put a huge pile of rotting garbage in your grow room! As it rots, it gives off CO2!

One thing I would not recommend doing is fermenting sugar just for the CO2. It isn't cost effective at all. A molecule of sugar has the atomic formula C6H12O6. Fermenting it yields alcohol and two molecules of CO2. For every kilogram of sugar, you get 250 grams of CO2. Weak.

Making CO2 the Al Gore Way

As we all know, burning fossil fuels produces lots and lots of CO2. How much, you ask? Well, burning a gram of kerosine produces roughly 3.5 grams of CO2. "Wait, I'm too smart to fall for that!", you might be thinking. "You can't turn one gram of one thing into 3.5 grams of something else!" True, except that when you burn hydrocarbons, you combine hydrogen and carbon with oxygen from the air. Oxygen actually weighs kind of a lot, and that's where the extra weight comes from. This works to our advantage when we want to supply our plants with CO2. For instance, a 20 pound tank of propane can generate much more CO2 than a 20 pound tank of CO2 will.

The easiest, cheapest way to supplement your plants' CO2 is probably candles. Go to a store after Christmas and buy all those fat Christmassy candles that are now on sale. Figure out how much one weighs and how long it takes to burn down. Multiply its weight by 3.5. This is how much CO2 the candle will generate in the amount of time it takes to burn down. Just be damn sure that you're careful about it. Put the candle in a metal vented container where it can't possibly catch anything else on fire, and then keep anything flammable away from it just to be sure. If you don't think one candle is enough, you can use two or three. If that's still not enough, one of those Coleman kerosene lanterns might not be a bad investment, if you don't mind refilling it. You can also get something like:

Candle Lamp SL50 50 Hour Liquid "Smokeless" Paraffin Wax Lamp Fuel Cartridge 6/PK Product details

I've seen the oil to refill these things for as cheap as $12 a gallon. Put a ring of them in your grow room and use them to help meditate! Remember, plants only need CO2 when the lights are on, so if you want to save fuel, light them and put them out when your lights go on and off. If that's too much work, don't worry. The CO2 will build up during the dark cycle, then get used during the light one. You might lose some due to leaks, but it's nothing to lose sleep over.

If you need to heat your grow room, consider a propane or natural gas ventless heater. These will vent right into your grow room and contain an oxygen sensor so they cut off fuel if oxygen levels drop too low. Of course, a certain amount of ventilation is necessary in order to use these.

Conclusion

If you're trying to generate CO2, the most cost-effective way is through burning hydrocarbons, ie fossil fuels. Other methods like using seltzer water, dry ice, vinegar and baking soda, or yeast and sugar, are all far more expensive for the amount of CO2 you get. Although hydrocarbons all produce between 3 and 3.5 times their weight in CO2, they do have some issues, namely, you must keep flammable stuff away from them. This isn't a deal breaker, after all, most homes have gas or propane appliances, and many grow lights can get hot enough to start fires. The important thing is to be careful!

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BigBudBalls

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Open unattended flames? Count me in! plus more heat.

CO2 in the root zone? Roots want O2 not CO2. CO2 falls.

Mushrooms typically don't like the killer lights we give our plants.

Indoor CO2 levels are typically knocking on twice that of outdoors.
(At least thats what my CO2 ppm meter tells me)
 

Doctor Pot

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Open unattended flames? Count me in! plus more heat.
Of course not. Like I said, anything with a flame should be put in a metal vented container far away from anything flammable. A candle will give off heat, but it's not much. About the same as a 40-watt light bulb or a T12 fluorescent tube.

CO2 in the root zone? Roots want O2 not CO2. CO2 falls.
Feeding plants with a small amount of molasses is a widely used strategy. The CO2 will diffuse out of the soil fairly quickly.

Mushrooms typically don't like the killer lights we give our plants.
Which is why you shouldn't put mushrooms directly under the lights. I don't know about you, but I have a lot of space in my grow room that's dimly lighted, where I keep stuff like fertilizer and unused equipment. Obviously that's not feasible in a really small grow area.

Ive heard of praying your plant with, either carbonated water or fermenting water(ie yeast), im not to sure tho
You wouldn't notice any difference from doing this. Some growers might do it because they think it'll help, but there's really not nearly enough CO2 to do anything noticeable.
 

BigBudBalls

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Feeding plants with a small amount of molasses is a widely used strategy. The CO2 will diffuse out of the soil fairly quickly.
Can you back this up?

I have a ppm meter/controller and have used molasses, but haven't seen any increases in the ppm over not using molasses.
 

Doctor Pot

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Can you back this up?

I have a ppm meter/controller and have used molasses, but haven't seen any increases in the ppm over not using molasses.
You're actually probably right; thinking back, the amount of molasses used for feeding isn't much, and probably wouldn't contribute much to the CO2 levels. But it does increase the number of soil-dwelling bacteria, which do give off CO2. So even though it's definitely helpful, the CO2 factor might not have much to do with it.

This is a strategy I mostly use with clones, since their CO2 requirements are very small and I cover mine with plastic to keep in moisture. The plastic keeps out CO2, but I think the molasses in the soil generates enough to keep it healthy.
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
Molasses is used to add the extra carbohydrate boost the plant wants. Roots will die when co2 is introduced to them the leaves take in the air co2 and that in turn speeds and elevates the photosynthisis needed to change the nutrients into usable fuel which in turn makes larger buds or blossoms that are swollen with the extar availiable nutrients. The room ppm levels need to be kept at between 1200-1500 ppm everyday to get the true benefits of co2 introduction.Mushrooms will produce co2 but need complete darkness to grow correctly and the amount will be very little and they want cool damp places while ganja needs a much warmer humid climate to thrive.
 

BigBudBalls

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Molasses is used to add the extra carbohydrate boost the plant wants. Roots will die when co2 is introduced to them the leaves take in the air co2 and that in turn speeds and elevates the photosynthisis needed to change the nutrients into usable fuel which in turn makes larger buds or blossoms that are swollen with the extar availiable nutrients. The room ppm levels need to be kept at between 1200-1500 ppm everyday to get the true benefits of co2 introduction.Mushrooms will produce co2 but need complete darkness to grow correctly and the amount will be very little and they want cool damp places while ganja needs a much warmer humid climate to thrive.
Haven't seen you around in a while Welcome back!
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
Yeah had a bit of illness then when I got better had a ton of work to get done and just now trying to find time to get back around.Thanks for the rewelcome back
 

Doctor Pot

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Molasses is used to add the extra carbohydrate boost the plant wants. Roots will die when co2 is introduced to them the leaves take in the air co2 and that in turn speeds and elevates the photosynthisis needed to change the nutrients into usable fuel which in turn makes larger buds or blossoms that are swollen with the extar availiable nutrients. The room ppm levels need to be kept at between 1200-1500 ppm everyday to get the true benefits of co2 introduction.Mushrooms will produce co2 but need complete darkness to grow correctly and the amount will be very little and they want cool damp places while ganja needs a much warmer humid climate to thrive.
Molasses probably won't add a huge amount of CO2 to the environment anyway, but I've heard it recommended in many circles for fertilizing plants. Considering oxygen is about 20% of the atmosphere and CO2 is about 0.3%, some extra CO2 generated near the roots won't be anywhere near enough to displace enough oxygen to be detrimental.

Mushrooms often require light in order to fruit, and depending on the species, can require fairly warm temperatures in order to grow properly.

These suggestions were written primarily for growers without very good ventilation who want to add some extra CO2 to their plants' environment. It is more of a list of potential CO2 sources than it is a guide to setting up a CO2 system.
 

nikibino

Active Member
I have a female plant that i have been growing outdoors since may of this year, it seemed to be doing really well outside, its a girl! she isn't very big, she's about 12 inches long and has started to flower! due to the chilly weather in Philadelphia during the fall i thought it would be a wise decision to bring her indoors for the flowering process. i have about 3000 lumen's of light pointed directly on her, the buds on the top seem to be doing o k they are showing red hairs and alot of white crystals but the size isn't showing much progress at all! as for the lower buds they are flowering but they are not budding nearly as much as the ones on top. i have a very cheap setup,and very little money to invest into this... for now what would be the best advice for me to get my buds to start showing better progress?
 

nikibino

Active Member
And she is also sprouting seeds to! As i recently found out that this isn't a good thing for your female plant to do! She was accompanied by a male plant that i got rid of obviously not soon enough! Do you think this is what's causing my my plant to grow slow or what?
 

Doctor Pot

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Your plant appears to be expending most of its energy on seed production. Too late to do anything about that. Your light cycle is 12 hours on, 12 hours off, I assume. I don't think this is the thread to be talking about that though.
 

Doctor Pot

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I did the math, and it turns out that a 1-pound candle will produce 14 times as much CO2 as a pound of sugar that's been fermented. That's all well and good, but I have another idea that may be even better... the organic garbage disposal:

Get a bottle of bacterial/enzymatic drain cleaner, a fish tank aerator, and a bucket. Fill the bucket half full of water. Dump a bunch of organic garbage like paper or leftovers into the water, then add some of the bacterial drain cleaner. Set the aerator to bubble air into the water at the bottom of the bucket. The bacteria will systematically reduce the garbage to CO2 bubbles and sludge. Add additional garbage as necessary. If the sludge builds up too much, empty the bucket and start again. This should generate plenty of free CO2 for an initial investment of around $30 or so.
 
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drifter1978

Guest
I did the math, and it turns out that a 1-pound candle will produce 14 times as much CO2 as a pound of sugar that's been fermented. That's all well and good, but I have another idea that may be even better... the organic garbage disposal:

Get a bottle of bacterial/enzymatic drain cleaner, a fish tank aerator, and a bucket. Fill the bucket half full of water. Dump a bunch of organic garbage like paper or leftovers into the water, then add some of the bacterial drain cleaner. Set the aerator to bubble air into the water at the bottom of the bucket. The bacteria will systematically reduce the garbage to CO2 bubbles and sludge. Add additional garbage as necessary. If the sludge builds up too much, empty the bucket and start again. This should generate plenty of free CO2 for an initial investment of around $30 or so.

hey doctor if you have good ventilation inwards and outwards do you think there is any need for c02.also i have heard that co2 can be tricky in the way that if you have problems in your room or with your plants it will happen alot faster or is this bullshit.there are kits i can get but they are expensive and if the increase isnt going to be great it could be a waste of money especially if problems do arise and death occurs,tragic.i get good yields and quality nuggs but always looking to improve on that.thanks:peace:
 
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