DWC to Perpetual

Do you guys factor calmag into your overall feed figure?

Flowering pipe dreams need to be upped. Set them last weekend to 1.1EC and last night they were down to 0.75ECish

Everything I run from archive seems to like a low feed. Not used to plants needing more than 1.2EC. These pipedreams may. Gonna try 1.2EC maybe 1.3EC tonight and see how they react.

I need some new calmag.

My magical is almost empty.

Id like to start mixing my own though and not sure if I want to buy new liquids.

firsttimeARE said:

I need some new calmag.

My magical is almost empty.

Id like to start mixing my own though and not sure if I want to buy new liquids.

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Feck. The feeling of not quite grasping what's going on with your nutes should morph soon into a serious feedback from your bullshit detector.

I mean, WTF is cal-mag, anyway? Why don't we call pH adjusting solutions ACIDS and BASES? Why are we stuck on ppms of this vs that? Ever notice the same few chemicals showing up on label after label?

It's time to fight back against the malarkey. First, arm yourself with some fundamentals of chemistry. Chemicals combine in specific ways for specific reasons. Really, our job as growers is just to understand the basics well enough so we don't get into trouble; mix certain nutes separately, for instance.

Why not learn the basics? You'll save a fortune and your plants will get more stable nutrition.

I was reading on mixing my own but it seemed difficult. I know im not the brightest but im definitely not an idiot.

What is your ingredient list? IIRC you use a premix with micros called hi-k?

the thing i was reading had you buying and mixing all 16 nutrients.

firsttimeARE said:

I was reading on mixing my own but it seemed difficult. I know im not the brightest but im definitely not an idiot.

What is your ingredient list? IIRC you use a premix with micros called hi-k?

the thing i was reading had you buying and mixing all 16 nutrients.

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I'm not suggesting that anyone needs a BS in chemistry to make sense of their nutes. But let's start using chemistry terms. 'Cal-mag' isn't a chemical, it's a simple stock solution of mag nitrate and calcium nitrate. Knowing that, it's simple to deduce that you're probably running a potassium deficiency.

Rather than jump through the hydro store maze of hoops, let's find a complete replacement, and happily there are several- the one I chose puts the mix in the hands of the manufacturer and only requires the addition of four other salts to cover all bases. THIS is what I'd recommend as the sweet spot between mixing your own micros and just buying something of the shelf.

Hydro-gardens.com for;
5-11-26 'hi K' hydroponic mix with micros
Calcium nitrate
MKP
Epsom salt you can get anywhere

Get these and you're 90% as flexible as those who get every salt separately, you've SAVED money over both their approach and the stock solutions in sexy bottles at the hydro store and things are just about as simple as they could possibly be.

firsttimeARE said:

Do you guys factor calmag into your overall feed figure?

Flowering pipe dreams need to be upped. Set them last weekend to 1.1EC and last night they were down to 0.75ECish

Everything I run from archive seems to like a low feed. Not used to plants needing more than 1.2EC. These pipedreams may. Gonna try 1.2EC maybe 1.3EC tonight and see how they react.

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I was actually taking a look at the feeding schedule with this overpriced , too many product having Cyco packs and they call for 2.1 EC. My shit would be burnt to a crisp overnight at those rates. Wtf are these feeding schedules for? Concrete?

I went back to ppm btw *hangs head in shame*, I don't know what conversion factor guardians use *hangs head even lower*.

dbkick said:

I was actually taking a look at the feeding schedule with this overpriced , too many product having Cyco packs and they call for 2.1 EC. My shit would be burnt to a crisp overnight at those rates. Wtf are these feeding schedules for? Concrete?

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LOL, my girls do very well at EC 1.9-2.1.

I also run CDM lamps and RH in the sixties.

dbkick said:

I went back to ppm btw *hangs head in shame*, I don't know what conversion factor guardians use *hangs head even lower*.

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I don't think this is your fault. I think nutrient manufacturers do this kind of shit deliberately in order to make it all seem more complicated than it needs to be. Does the nute maker ever give a conversion value? If not, then they're definitely posing games, because otherwise how could you know what you're supposed to use?

I use EC because it's the one standard they can't screw around with. Most serious growers I know do the same.

ttystikk said:

I don't think this is your fault. I think nutrient manufacturers do this kind of shit deliberately in order to make it all seem more complicated than it needs to be. Does the nute maker ever give a conversion value? If not, then they're definitely posing games, because otherwise how could you know what you're supposed to use?

I use EC because it's the one standard they can't screw around with. Most serious growers I know do the same.

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This is why I'm doing the flying skull thing. I don't want to be a fucking chemist I'd just like to grow a bit of dope dope.
With dynagro this is completely possible and I may find my way back to that lineup just because this flying skull shit is not easy to find locally ANYWHERE since they're just now taking apps for "territories" . It sounds a lot like the list of things you mentioned up above but probably a bit more expensive. I got a discount or I'd have never gotten the medium package since it lists for $350 or so and I haven't seen the results but don't doubt the story a bit. It's simple and fairly cheap and there are no amendments to buy.
I'm interested to see how they work and plan on starting a new tent using nothing but as soon as I can find time AND energy to tear down a tent and put up two new ones.

dbkick said:

I was actually taking a look at the feeding schedule with this overpriced , too many product having Cyco packs and they call for 2.1 EC. My shit would be burnt to a crisp overnight at those rates. Wtf are these feeding schedules for? Concrete?

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I believe H16 had you targetting 2.6EC

Lucad formula I swear has to be pushing 2.0EC

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I went back to ppm btw *hangs head in shame*, I don't know what conversion factor guardians use *hangs head even lower*.

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My blue lab can change scales. I have the handheld combo meter.

Im sure the guardian can do the same.

dbkick said:

This is why I'm doing the flying skull thing. I don't want to be a fucking chemist I'd just like to grow a bit of dope dope.
With dynagro this is completely possible and I may find my way back to that lineup just because this flying skull shit is not easy to find locally ANYWHERE since they're just now taking apps for "territories" . It sounds a lot like the list of things you mentioned up above but probably a bit more expensive. I got a discount or I'd have never gotten the medium package since it lists for $350 or so and I haven't seen the results but don't doubt the story a bit. It's simple and fairly cheap and there are no amendments to buy.
I'm interested to see how they work and plan on starting a new tent using nothing but as soon as I can find time AND energy to tear down a tent and put up two new ones.

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Then get your ass up here for a fuckin' visit already!

I can walk you thru the process easy peasy, just four items, and I KNOW you can use a gram scale bro!

I've been growing for YEARS and I haven't gone through $350 worth of dry nutes yet. At 400-500 gallons of nutrient solution per crop, that's saying something.

All measurements are grams per gallon;

VEG
3 of the 5-11-26 mix (micros are in here too)
2 calcium nitrate
1.5 Epsom salt
EC 1.2-1.4, pH 5.5-5.8

BLOOM
2 mix
2 cal ni
1.5 Epsom salt
.5 MKP
EC 1.7-2.0, pH 6.1-6.5

I'm in RDWC, 80f, 70% RH.

I run veg throughout the veg stages and in the first nutrient batch of bloom. I run the bloom mix from there on out to finish.

IMPORTANT; I had less than consistent results when I scooped out the dry mix as I needed it. This is because of the way it's mixed and settles during storage. To solve this, take a substantial amount and make a stock solution. Mix this stock solution every time before drawing some out to use.

The rest of the nutes can be weighed dry, as they're just a single chemical.

firsttimeARE said:

My blue lab can change scales. I have the handheld combo meter.

Im sure the guardian can do the same.

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The Guardians have a couple other readings which are TDS which is ECx500 , they also have a ppm setting which is ECx700.
I assume from this that all meters that use the x700 conversion factor are ppm, the x500 being considered TDS. All based on EC of course as we know.

dbkick said:

The Guardians have a couple other readings which are TDS which is ECx500 , they also have a ppm setting which is ECx700.
I assume from this that all meters that use the x700 conversion factor are ppm, the x500 being considered TDS. All based on EC of course as we know.

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Not quite, although it's a reasonable guess. The problem is that ppm scales in common use correspond to the EC response of specific minerals- which are all different. There's a ppm scale at EC x 500, 700, 840- and those are just the ones in common use! Notice that they all have a conversion to EC. THAT'S why most professional growers use it instead of some ppm scale we can never be quite sure of.

TDS is just an acronym, for Total Dissolved Solids.

EC is an actual measurement, Electrical Conductivity. It's temperature sensitive which is why most TDS meters- whether they measure in EC or whatever ppm scale- also give temperature readings. They need it to compensate the raw EC value for temperature.

PH doesn't matter much for EC, unless the material is in a suspension that's sensitive to it. An example would be iron, where some chelates have lower pH limits.

I hope that helps!

ttystikk said:

Not quite, although it's a reasonable guess. The problem is that ppm scales in common use correspond to the EC response of specific minerals- which are all different. There's a ppm scale at EC x 500, 700, 840- and those are just the ones in common use! Notice that they all have a conversion to EC. THAT'S why most professional growers use it instead of some ppm scale we can never be quite sure of.

TDS is just an acronym, for Total Dissolved Solids.

EC is an actual measurement, Electrical Conductivity. It's temperature sensitive which is why most TDS meters- whether they measure in EC or whatever ppm scale- also give temperature readings. They need it to compensate the raw EC value for temperature.

PH doesn't matter much for EC, unless the material is in a suspension that's sensitive to it. An example would be iron, where some chelates have lower pH limits.

I hope that helps!

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probably a little helpful but just one of those things , you know?
Details not needed but details. plus almost tl'dr or wtfever the acronym is. in my case probably tfu;utr

before I forget that acronym, it means too fucked up , unable to read.

and another shot of the anejo for me and my friends!

ttystikk said:

All measurements are grams per gallon;

VEG
3 of the 5-11-26 mix (micros are in here too)
2 calcium nitrate
1.5 Epsom salt
EC 1.2-1.4, pH 5.5-5.8

BLOOM
2 mix
2 cal ni
1.5 Epsom salt
.5 MKP
EC 1.7-2.0, pH 6.1-6.5

I'm in RDWC, 80f, 70% RH.

I run veg throughout the veg stages and in the first nutrient batch of bloom. I run the bloom mix from there on out to finish.

IMPORTANT; I had less than consistent results when I scooped out the dry mix as I needed it. This is because of the way it's mixed and settles during storage. To solve this, take a substantial amount and make a stock solution. Mix this stock solution every time before drawing some out to use.

The rest of the nutes can be weighed dry, as they're

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What do you usually mix your stock at? Ill be doing 100-110gal fill ups. Id have to do like 1000:1gal concentrate or more to make it so im not putting a whole gallon of nutrient stock in each fill up. But then how would I fit 3000g of the hi-k, 2000g of calcium nitrate, 1500g of epsom into one gallon if water? Seems like that would take up a lot of volume?

And arent there some im supposed to separate?