Drugs in War, from Vikings to today

ttystikk

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ttystikk

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It's apparently okay for the world's military services- America perhaps chief among them- to hop their soldiers up on hard drugs but civilians go to prison for long terms if they're caught doing the same thing... even if they got the addiction from their time in the military.

Well, I don't think it's okay. Even if this practice is deemed strategically necessary, we need to ensure that soldiers are not made to use them for long periods, weaned off appropriately, and given long term drug use counseling- which means the VA needs to get a lot more serious about dealing with veteran's drug use than they are currently. As it is, the motherfuckers won't even sanction smoking weed for pain or PTSD.
 

choomer

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It's apparently okay for the world's military services- America perhaps chief among them- to hop their soldiers up on hard drugs but civilians go to prison for long terms if they're caught doing the same thing... even if they got the addiction from their time in the military
Drugged military forces and civilian prohibition of drugs = $$$$$$$$$$
Oil wasn't the only thing wanted from Middle East and if you look into the availability and purity of heroin since the start of the Afgan war it looks as if both worked as expected.

"The price in retail purchases has been lower than $600 per pure gram every year since 2001, with costs of $465 in 2012 and $552 in 2002, as compared with $1237 in 1992 and $2690 in 1982. A recent study showed that each $100 decrease in the price per pure gram of heroin resulted in a 2.9% increase in the number of hospitalizations for heroin overdose."

Well, I don't think it's okay. Even if this practice is deemed strategically necessary, we need to ensure that soldiers are not made to use them for long periods, weaned off appropriately, and given long term drug use counseling- which means the VA needs to get a lot more serious about dealing with veteran's drug use than they are currently. As it is, the motherfuckers won't even sanction smoking weed for pain or PTSD.
It seems today the "gateway" drugs have become anything born of Big Pharma, over-prescribed far longer than necessary, and cut off w/o weaning creating the consumer base of greater proportions than all the previous wars did w/ opiate use for medical purposes (not for lack of trying though).

"However, in spite of the low level of illicit drug use, abuse of prescription drugs is higher among service members than among civilians and is on the increase. In 2008, 11 percent of service members reported misusing prescription drugs, up from 2 percent in 2002 and 4 percent in 2005. Most of the prescription drugs misused by service members are opioid pain medications.

The greater availability of these medications and increases in prescriptions for them may contribute to their growing misuse by service members. Pain reliever prescriptions written by military physicians quadrupled between 2001 and 2009—to almost 3.8 million. Combat-related injuries and the strains from carrying heavy equipment during multiple deployments likely play a role in this trend."

Wars that facilitate the availability of drugs (whether a specific aim or not) while also creating generations of veteran addicts seems a win/win for Big Pharma/MIC (sometimes resting under the same corp. parent company).

Weed won't be an acceptable treatment for ANYTHING as far as the VA goes as it's federally funded and the 1% like things that cost the taxpayer to line their pockets and Big Pharma still has a (hopefully rapidly loosening due to expanding state sanity) stranglehold on congress.

The things that some veterans were ordered to do and/or some of the things they witnessed during their tour I can easily see driving vets to drugs use and suicide and each war seems to drive the number of both higher than the last.

It is too bad that so many citizens enroll in the armed services from a sense of patriotic duty or fiscal necessity as it was observed by Smedley D. Butler, a retired United States Marine Corps Major General and two-time Medal of Honor recipient that War Is a Racket, the title of two works, a speech and a 1935 short book and that all war is ultimately about money.
 

ttystikk

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Drugged military forces and civilian prohibition of drugs = $$$$$$$$$$
Oil wasn't the only thing wanted from Middle East and if you look into the availability and purity of heroin since the start of the Afgan war it looks as if both worked as expected.

"The price in retail purchases has been lower than $600 per pure gram every year since 2001, with costs of $465 in 2012 and $552 in 2002, as compared with $1237 in 1992 and $2690 in 1982. A recent study showed that each $100 decrease in the price per pure gram of heroin resulted in a 2.9% increase in the number of hospitalizations for heroin overdose."



It seems today the "gateway" drugs have become anything born of Big Pharma, over-prescribed far longer than necessary, and cut off w/o weaning creating the consumer base of greater proportions than all the previous wars did w/ opiate use for medical purposes (not for lack of trying though).

"However, in spite of the low level of illicit drug use, abuse of prescription drugs is higher among service members than among civilians and is on the increase. In 2008, 11 percent of service members reported misusing prescription drugs, up from 2 percent in 2002 and 4 percent in 2005. Most of the prescription drugs misused by service members are opioid pain medications.

The greater availability of these medications and increases in prescriptions for them may contribute to their growing misuse by service members. Pain reliever prescriptions written by military physicians quadrupled between 2001 and 2009—to almost 3.8 million. Combat-related injuries and the strains from carrying heavy equipment during multiple deployments likely play a role in this trend."

Wars that facilitate the availability of drugs (whether a specific aim or not) while also creating generations of veteran addicts seems a win/win for Big Pharma/MIC (sometimes resting under the same corp. parent company).

Weed won't be an acceptable treatment for ANYTHING as far as the VA goes as it's federally funded and the 1% like things that cost the taxpayer to line their pockets and Big Pharma still has a (hopefully rapidly loosening due to expanding state sanity) stranglehold on congress.

The things that some veterans were ordered to do and/or some of the things they witnessed during their tour I can easily see driving vets to drugs use and suicide and each war seems to drive the number of both higher than the last.

It is too bad that so many citizens enroll in the armed services from a sense of patriotic duty or fiscal necessity as it was observed by Smedley D. Butler, a retired United States Marine Corps Major General and two-time Medal of Honor recipient that War Is a Racket, the title of two works, a speech and a 1935 short book and that all war is ultimately about money.
As much as we disagree in other areas, we sure seem to see eye to eye here.

I found this highly informative, thank you.
 

choomer

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As much as we disagree in other areas, we sure seem to see eye to eye here.
I found this highly informative, thank you.
'Tis true we've had occasion to go to head on at times but you've (mostly) abstained from character attacks and have had very pertinent argument at times to the OP (that you grow some seriously delicious looking psyche candy in an unconventional way doesn't hurt at all).

You're welcome and I hope it is not the last time either of us have cause feel this way as I thought after the election we might have more in common than first encounters suggest. ;)
 

reddan1981

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Drugged military forces and civilian prohibition of drugs = $$$$$$$$$$
Oil wasn't the only thing wanted from Middle East and if you look into the availability and purity of heroin since the start of the Afgan war it looks as if both worked as expected.

"The price in retail purchases has been lower than $600 per pure gram every year since 2001, with costs of $465 in 2012 and $552 in 2002, as compared with $1237 in 1992 and $2690 in 1982. A recent study showed that each $100 decrease in the price per pure gram of heroin resulted in a 2.9% increase in the number of hospitalizations for heroin overdose."



It seems today the "gateway" drugs have become anything born of Big Pharma, over-prescribed far longer than necessary, and cut off w/o weaning creating the consumer base of greater proportions than all the previous wars did w/ opiate use for medical purposes (not for lack of trying though).

"However, in spite of the low level of illicit drug use, abuse of prescription drugs is higher among service members than among civilians and is on the increase. In 2008, 11 percent of service members reported misusing prescription drugs, up from 2 percent in 2002 and 4 percent in 2005. Most of the prescription drugs misused by service members are opioid pain medications.

The greater availability of these medications and increases in prescriptions for them may contribute to their growing misuse by service members. Pain reliever prescriptions written by military physicians quadrupled between 2001 and 2009—to almost 3.8 million. Combat-related injuries and the strains from carrying heavy equipment during multiple deployments likely play a role in this trend."

Wars that facilitate the availability of drugs (whether a specific aim or not) while also creating generations of veteran addicts seems a win/win for Big Pharma/MIC (sometimes resting under the same corp. parent company).

Weed won't be an acceptable treatment for ANYTHING as far as the VA goes as it's federally funded and the 1% like things that cost the taxpayer to line their pockets and Big Pharma still has a (hopefully rapidly loosening due to expanding state sanity) stranglehold on congress.

The things that some veterans were ordered to do and/or some of the things they witnessed during their tour I can easily see driving vets to drugs use and suicide and each war seems to drive the number of both higher than the last.

It is too bad that so many citizens enroll in the armed services from a sense of patriotic duty or fiscal necessity as it was observed by Smedley D. Butler, a retired United States Marine Corps Major General and two-time Medal of Honor recipient that War Is a Racket, the title of two works, a speech and a 1935 short book and that all war is ultimately about money.
What is the use of money, when you are the one that creates it?
Connect the dots..

Purposeful activity.
 

SneekyNinja

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http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/10/history-war-drugs-vikings-nazis-161005101505317.html

This article blew my damn mind- speed junkies in uniform, viking berserkers on shrooms, Hitler on meth...

Crazy. Suddenly the fact that over 70,000 Vietnam vets committed suicide vs 58,000 from combat makes a lot more sense against a background of rampant and officially sanctioned drug use.

There's no doubt in my mind this shit still goes on, the only question is how much and who?
I always wondered with the Vikings taking shooms before battle...

What do his allies do? Give him his axes and hope he attacks the correct side?
 

tampee

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http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/10/history-war-drugs-vikings-nazis-161005101505317.html

This article blew my damn mind- speed junkies in uniform, viking berserkers on shrooms, Hitler on meth...

Crazy. Suddenly the fact that over 70,000 Vietnam vets committed suicide vs 58,000 from combat makes a lot more sense against a background of rampant and officially sanctioned drug use.

There's no doubt in my mind this shit still goes on, the only question is how much and who?
Hitler was on meth and barbiturates (xanax, valium, ETC.) to sleep. Japanese fighter pilots I believe the US too. The Nazis actually created Methadone because they couldn't get any opium the allies and Russia cut them off from any trades that's really what stopped the Nazis they ran out of resources.

Another thing the Taliban basically stopped opium production in Afghanistan then 9/11 happened Afghanistan became the #1 producer of heroin at the same time the price of bulk heroin dropped significantly leading to the drug epidemic we hear so much about. We already know the CIA Iran Contra Scandal created the crack epidemic I wonder what caused the heroin epidemic??

 

A.K.A. Overgrowem

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Hitler was on meth and barbiturates (xanax, valium, ETC.) to sleep. Japanese fighter pilots I believe the US too. The Nazis actually created Methadone because they couldn't get any opium the allies and Russia cut them off from any trades that's really what stopped the Nazis they ran out of resources.

Another thing the Taliban basically stopped opium production in Afghanistan then 9/11 happened Afghanistan became the #1 producer of heroin at the same time the price of bulk heroin dropped significantly leading to the drug epidemic we hear so much about. We already know the CIA Iran Contra Scandal created the crack epidemic I wonder what caused the heroin epidemic??

Nazi soldiers where given copious quantities of meth to keep them going. The US gave out benzadrene as its "Alertness Enhancer" of choice. On rare occasions you will see a, WWII movie, soldier eating them. Gotta figure the Japs. were using some drug, an opiate no doubt. What it was?
 
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chemphlegm

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It's apparently okay for the world's military services- America perhaps chief among them- to hop their soldiers up on hard drugs but civilians go to prison for long terms if they're caught doing the same thing... even if they got the addiction from their time in the military.

Well, I don't think it's okay. Even if this practice is deemed strategically necessary, we need to ensure that soldiers are not made to use them for long periods, weaned off appropriately, and given long term drug use counseling- which means the VA needs to get a lot more serious about dealing with veteran's drug use than they are currently. As it is, the motherfuckers won't even sanction smoking weed for pain or PTSD.
:clap:

"git your ass over there and kill that crowd soldier!!"
"Sir, I dont feel right about it"
"Git your ass to the frontline pharmacy, take five and follow orders"
"Yes Sir"

flouride seems to help people continue to make poor judgements , just without caring and getting all bummed about it anymore
better living through chemistry aye!
 

chemphlegm

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sorry doc, only know its fed to children in water, and adults, with no concern for dosage calculations.
seems some meds are concocted using flourine too. seems like a weird food source to me, always from china, but wtvr
 

ttystikk

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sorry doc, only know its fed to children in water, and adults, with no concern for dosage calculations.
seems some meds are concocted using flourine too. seems like a weird food source to me, always from china, but wtvr
It's reduced dental problems in America, that's why it's used.
 

rkymtnman

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Solution strength is everything. Running your nutes too strong will kill your plants just as dead as bleach will.
agreed. but we shouldn't be forced to have it in our water supply.

we have plenty in our well water around here. just read a story in the local paper about a dentist in the 1800's that was amazed at how great the dental health was of people around the pikes peak region. ended up being from the fluoride in the water.

i wont' get into the numerous studies of it possibly being a neurotoxin.
 
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