Harrekin
Well-Known Member
So cops in your country are there to execute people, yet there's uproar when they shoot a dog...
Your country is full of mentally retarded people, are you aware of this?
Drop the Knife! Police kill kid in knife attack
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Your country is full of mentally retarded people, are you aware of this?
karousing
Well-Known Member
please read what NLXSK1 is saying.... the dogs dont deserve to be shot. thats why there is an uproar when they are.
oh, annnnd they could have bean bagged the kid on the streetcar if they still wanted to shoot him. the best of both worlds ya?
NLXSK1
Well-Known Member
The kid chose to be executed. It didnt even happen in America. However, death by cop happens all the time. Darwin and all that....
I am simply pointing out that there is something known as personal responsibility. If the kid was 10 then I would be on your side. However, he was old enough, just like Travan Martin to be a serious and credible threat to the cops.
I am getting tired of people who keep wanting to make excuses for the individuals in society that choose not to comply with the laws and also run around wielding deadly weapons.
If you threaten a cop with a gun or knife you are likely to get shot and/or killed. The concept is not that difficult to understand.
I will agree with you that fucked up things happen with cops in every country in the world. What I will not agree with you on is that this particular incident is one of them. Again, the police are not being brought up on charges, they acted within the law and for their own personal safety as well as public safety. I have more respect for them then to ask them to get killed in the line of duty due to some angst ridden teenager who chose not to comply with their orders and threatened them.
And yes, I am very aware that my country is full of mentally retarded people. They are known as the Democratic party...
Harrekin
Well-Known Member
Our cops won't shoot someone without a gun, cos they're not pussies and chicken-shits.
You people are just so indoctrinated to accept cops kill people that it doesn't matter a fuck.
I suppose they should just shoot people who open carry too?
NLXSK1
Well-Known Member
Are you saying they should shoot each other???
karousing
Well-Known Member
you are a fool. there is video evidence with audio and the kid did not threaten the cops.
he did not make an attempt to engage in violence
he was simply playing with a pocket knife and people over reacted because there is no way that could be a simple tool right?
i have had cops do similar things to arrest me before.
a pocket knife in a tackle box with a fishing rod was considered a weapon so they could charge me when they had nothing else. BUR IT UR WEPON OF MURRS DERSTRUCSHUN!!!!!!
these cops are embarrassments and need to be disciplined.
now please shut up as you dont know the facts and are not inclined to educate yourself.
Doer
Well-Known Member
No..no, no. It is to stop the attack. Even in (or especially in) the Military, killing is not the best out come. You want screaming.
So, there are killer handguns. But, they fire rifle rounds. The Fort Hood guy had one to get through the body armor. Lots of death.
So, you decide to stop the attack with deadly force, you aim at the center of mass to STOP him....he may die, but that isn't the point.
Any gunshot wound can kill. But, it would have to 20 mm explosive to assure the kill.
NLXSK1
Well-Known Member
Did the police ask him to drop the weapon? Did the police repeatedly ask him to drop the weapon? Are the police up on charges right now for murder?
You dont like the outcome and you dont like the reality but your personal feelings about it wont change reality.
You are putting your personal bias into this conversation and then telling other people who disagree with you to shut up... LOL!!! Yeah, that is a mature tactic.
echelon1k1
New Member
Bingo! Stopping the threat is the number one priority, if he survives to talk great, you milk that fucker and when he's dry you make him wish he was dead...
Harrekin
Well-Known Member
It's got to do with wartime resource usage.
It takes alot more time and effort to evac wounded soldiers from an active battlefield than it does to pick up the corpses afterwards.
Canna Sylvan
Well-Known Member
If you want to wage war on the cops, a knife just ain't doing it. The next kid who tries better bring a gun that's more powerful and with more rounds than the cops. Also, a bunker might help too.
karousing
Well-Known Member
he was not waging a war on the cops.
he was on a TTC Streetcar.
he had a pocket knife.
he was playing with the pocket knife not threatening anyone.
you are correct in saying he did not drop the knife and did not comply with police orders.
you are correct in saying that he could have and it all would have been over.
you are incorrect in saying he deserved it. - there are many non lethal ways to take down a suspect. -Beanbag gun, Taser, Teargas, negotiations.
police have not been held up to reasonable standards.
Watch the videos.
The officer could have simply called for a taser (which they had) and used it. (he was in range to use it). The 18 year old kid had no projectile weapons. Did not make a threat against the officer/s.
The 18 year olds only remarks were "you pussy, you pussy, you pussy."
They did not take the time to assess the situation properly and acted inappropriately. You can defend them all you want but you are still wrong.
They are currently under investigation
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/ontario-siu-record-spotlight-sammy-yatim-shooting-investigated-162320503.html
This should at the very least lead to the better training and selection of police in the future not to mention the punishment of James Forcillo.. The standards are below par. The officers are on the verge of becoming terrorists and committing treason.
he was on a TTC Streetcar.
he had a pocket knife.
he was playing with the pocket knife not threatening anyone.
you are correct in saying he did not drop the knife and did not comply with police orders.
you are correct in saying that he could have and it all would have been over.
you are incorrect in saying he deserved it. - there are many non lethal ways to take down a suspect. -Beanbag gun, Taser, Teargas, negotiations.
police have not been held up to reasonable standards.
Watch the videos.
The officer could have simply called for a taser (which they had) and used it. (he was in range to use it). The 18 year old kid had no projectile weapons. Did not make a threat against the officer/s.
The 18 year olds only remarks were "you pussy, you pussy, you pussy."
They did not take the time to assess the situation properly and acted inappropriately. You can defend them all you want but you are still wrong.
They are currently under investigation
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/ontario-siu-record-spotlight-sammy-yatim-shooting-investigated-162320503.html
This should at the very least lead to the better training and selection of police in the future not to mention the punishment of James Forcillo.. The standards are below par. The officers are on the verge of becoming terrorists and committing treason.
BarnBuster
Virtually Unknown Member
This pretty much says it all IMO.
kinddiesel
Well-Known Member
they did the correct thing, shot him still fighting and could hear the tazor, mabe he was holding people on the buss mabe other kids . I have the cops backs, job well done. no body got hurt but the ass hole
karousing
Well-Known Member
Did you watch the multiple videos out there about the incident?
no?
then dont comment
karousing
Well-Known Member
he did not threaten the cops. please inform yourself before commenting
Doobius1
Well-Known Member
Those TTC cars have a door closing and lock system on the outside front that drivers use to secure empty streetcars. The cops couldve simply locked him on board so he was no threat at all. Smash a window, tear gas him.... He be out of there in 5 seconds, hands up screaming for his Mommy and cops would be back at Tim Hortons. None of this needed to happen
Highlowazupkush
Member
I have no doubt in my mind that there are many ways that the situation could have been properly handled.
Stinky Buds
Well-Known Member
BS!
The street car operator called the cops because the idiot with the knife in one hand and his dick in the other was threatening some teen aged girls.
The idiot, after being told numerous times to drop the knife, was aggressive and his last (repeated) words were "You're fucking pussies" to the cops.
There was no taser there, the cop who fired it had just got on scene. Tasers aren't standard issue, most cops don't carry them.
I'm no fan of the cops, but this idiot got what he deserved.
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/08/04/sammy_yatim_what_happened_in_the_words_of_witnesses.html
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