Droopy leaves in dwc, not a water problem

C0tt0N

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Hello! I am new to this forum although I have already gained a great deal of knowledge from reading and researching the past few months.

I'm new to growing and every problem I've had I've been able to figure out by searching. But I am at a total loss now and have no idea what's wrong with my girl.

Ok so, plants were in clone bubbler for 2 weeks, transplanted 2 plants per net cup, per 2 1/2 gallon bucket. (Bad idea, I know this now) vegged for 4 weeks, flipped 12/12 2 weeks ago. The plants were doing great until yesterday I noticed a slight droop.
I figured lack of DO although the other plant was fine. So I flushed a gallon of RO water through the net pot and pulled out 400ppm worth of build up, changed air stone, added another pump and stone and put plants back. This did absolutely nothing to help.

I also noticed a large tap root making the net cup bulge out, so I cut the net cup to relieve pressure off the root, again this did not help.

Growing in dwc.
Temperature stays at about 80 and 75 during their night period.
Water temp stays warm( no thermometer) and ice is added if excessive heat is noticed.
2.5 watt 2 port pump connected to a 4" stone
Also added a 2 watt pump with a 1" bubbler.
GH Maxigrow for veg, switched to Maxibloom for flower.
I use a beneficial bacteria tea.
pH stays between 5.5-6.3
PPM was at 1200, and was lowered to 750 after roots were slightly flushed
600w hps in a 3x3x8 area
Oscillating fan blows on plants
Roots look healthy, stained from nutes

Think I got everything, if not just ask.

The plant appears to be "over watered". Leaf stems are still standing out but leaves are drooping and only getting worse. The plant shares a net cup and bucket with another plant that is perfectly fine. The sick plant is the bigger out of the 2.

This started about 24 hours ago. I took the plants off their stand so I could pull out dead foliage and cut off a few of the tiny lower branches. There was probably a 5-10 degree temperature change. After the plants had been on the ground for about 5 mins I noticed it drooping.

Anyone have any idea? Disease? Strangulation by the other plants roots? Will temperature shock make plants droop?Thank you!
 

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You know yesterday when I came home from work I checked my grow closet and my plants were perfectly fine , went to take a shower blah blah blah . Then 30 mins later I checked them again and one of my plant were completely droopy ,bad... I panicked, etc . So I decided to flush it . And it worked, in 7 hours.
 

C0tt0N

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I "flushed" (not sure if pouring a gallon of water through the roots is a proper flush) about 20 hours ago. Should I try sitting it in plain water for about 8 hours or so? And how will that affect the other plant?
 

mandy1

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there is a "disconnect" between the plant and its roots which is preventing water and nutes from reaching the leaves. if its not root rot, then check the stem where it enters the net pot to see if its soft. i suspect theres an infection in there somewhere hon
 

C0tt0N

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there is a "disconnect" between the plant and its roots which is preventing water and nutes from reaching the leaves. if its not root rot, then check the stem where it enters the net pot to see if its soft. i suspect theres an infection in there somewhere hon
I dealt with root rot early on so I have a pretty good idea what to look for. There's no snot/slime, lots of air and Bennie tea, so I don't think it's that.
The stem going into the net pot is strong and firm, looks just like the other girl just a lil fatter. Could I have gave it an infection by snipping lower branches?


Update: leaves are drooping a lot more, the oldest branch is also starting to droop.
I'm fairly certain she's a goner, I'll be letting her sleep in 3 hours and if things don't get better by tomorrow and no one has any ideas on how to treat her I guess I'll be trying to dissect the other plant away from it :(
 
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rancidbodies

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DONT WATER HER LET HER COMPLETLY DRY OUT AND SE WHA TSHE LOOKS LIKE THAN ADD NUTES AND WATER MAKE HER HUNGRY AND THRISTY
 

rancidbodies

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I dealt with root rot early on so I have a pretty good idea what to look for. There's no snot/slime, lots of air and Bennie tea, so I don't think it's that.
The stem going into the net pot is strong and firm, looks just like the other girl just a lil fatter. Could I have gave it an infection by snipping lower branches?


Update: leaves are drooping a lot more, the oldest branch is also starting to droop.
I'm fairly certain she's a goner, I'll be letting her sleep in 3 hours and if things don't get better by tomorrow and no one has any ideas on how to treat her I guess I'll be trying to dissect the other plant away from it :(
mY BAD JUST SEEN THE PICS YEAH BRO SHE IS A GONER:wall:
 

C0tt0N

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DONT WATER HER LET HER COMPLETLY DRY OUT AND SE WHA TSHE LOOKS LIKE THAN ADD NUTES AND WATER MAKE HER HUNGRY AND THRISTY
Did this as well, placed in a bucket with no water for roughly 30 mins, if anything it made it worse. But yeah, it's not looking hopeful for her, just wish I knew what was wrong so I don't make the same mistakes. Guess I'll be trying to pull the bxtches apart in about 13 hours, not looking forward to it D:
 

rancidbodies

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im on my first grow I use soil I was going to do a bit more studying before I try hydro but do you have a copy of JC indoor outdoor grow bible? Ill try and look in there for you see if I see anything
 

C0tt0N

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No I do not. I have a couple of Ebooks for hydroponic growing but couldn't find anything relevant to my situation. But that'd be much appreciated. I hope you can find something
 

mainliner

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she looks like a goner but i took some from inside what looked like that, and put them in the garden and they comeback,,,
 

C0tt0N

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she looks like a goner but i took some from inside what looked like that, and put them in the garden and they comeback,,,
Perhaps I'll try planting it outside later if I can separate it from the other gal.

What was the cause of your plants looking like that?
 

mainliner

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Perhaps I'll try planting it outside later if I can separate it from the other gal.

What was the cause of your plants looking like that?
rookie mistake, over everything , overwater, over feed, over everything,,, there fine now?
 

C0tt0N

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rookie mistake, over everything , overwater, over feed, over everything,,, there fine now?
I see...
And nope, the one girl is still going downhill, but the other looks perfectly fine. Just hoping I don't kill the other one or cause it to hermie when I try to pry the root mass apart.
 

jondamon

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It's a bad idea for more than one reason. Just a rookie mistake on my part.

You'll probably find the stronger of the 2 is killing the weaker of them to fight for root space.

Using up the water/nutes/air before the other one is getting a look in.



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C0tt0N

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I was wondering if that's what was happening myself, but the plant that's sick had an extra week of root growth compared to the other, so I thought if anything the other one should be getting strangled. But I'm definitely not dismissing that possibility. Last night I also pulled some of the root mass apart to try and seperate them a little to see if it'd help, I'll see in a couple hours. I'm hoping that's all it is, I won't plant 2 in a bucket ever again!


Update: Was not successful at dissecting the roots apart so I ripped off the dead plant, cut about 1/8th of the roots and planted the live girl outside. Hopefully the ground will deal with the dead roots of the other plant before they can kill her. It's been about 45 mins since planted and she's still perky, but she will be going back into a dark period since she's outside. Hopefully she's a strong gal and makes it, but my hopes aren't very high of a good producing non hermaphroditic plant. But only time will tell. Ty all for the input. I'm guessing she was strangled or got an infection from me snipping her. I suppose this is a prime example on why you should have 1 plant per container.
 
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