Dont listen to this bullshit.. because thats exactly what it is.

tingpoon

Well-Known Member
LOLOL okay theexpress, so if sativas dont do a thing for u, stop smoking them.
but unless your parents have been blowing sativa smoke in ur face since u were in the cabbage patch, then i have to call shananigans. how does a stiva strain not get you high? honestly i have *never in my LIFE* heard somebody say "sativas dont do shit for me."
maybe you should get ur beans from better breeders like have you ever smoked Nebula?
ps i dont think bricktop is that old, its just an avatar rofl. gotta say he's definitely wiser than you. consider how he doesnt need to use profanity/lame insults to prove his point.
 

Serapis

Well-Known Member
That is almost funny.... and you posted this in the wrong thread... you meant to post in the thread where Brick is arguing with TheExpress over Sativas...

i dont think bricktop is that old, its just an avatar rofl. gotta say he's definitely wiser than you. consider how he doesnt need to use profanity/lame insults to prove his point.
 

Brick Top

New Member
yeahh imho i consider "old" to be post 75 (and i was born in 88 so thats a youngin view!)

"Old" is a relative thing with an evolving definition throughout our lives. To my 105-year old aunt I am little more than a kid. To the Romper Room crowd here I am older than Methuselah, but when they reach my age they will not see themselves as being old, they will see it as being in the prime of their lives and they will see people that are the same age as they now are as hardly out of diapers and kids that are still wet behind the ears.
 

Brick Top

New Member
I thought i was old at 22 lol
As I said, age is a relative thing. Bobby Hull was 22 when he won the Stanley Cup with the Chicago Black Hawks. At the time, too me, he was old. Jonathan Toews was 22 or 23 when he won the Stanley Cup with the Chicago Black Hawks, but I'm sure that how to this then 6 year old Bobby Hull seemed old there are kids who watched Jonathan Toews hoist the Cup and to them he was old.

Wait until you are 44 or 52. You will look back at yourself at your present age and think, gosh .. I was just a kid and at the time I actually thought I had some age on me.
 

Brick Top

New Member
oh fuck, the weed must be doing a NUMBER on my memory, because i don't know half as much as i knew when i was 22 --> when i knew fucking *EVERYTHING* lmao....

If today I knew just half as much as I 'thought I knew' when I was 22-years old I'd make Stephen Hawking look like Shemp Howard.
 

dudeoflife

Well-Known Member
You're cracking me up, Mr. Top!

I've read through the thread, and really both sides have valid points-

You CAN get great results with Nirvana Genetics, but you have to do your homework first-

and Yes, smoking the results of other people's purchases from Nirvana genetic is enough to judge for yourself whether you'd want to do biz with 'em--

One point that wasn't brought up, however, by anyone....

Nirvana does a tremendous amount of business, and has been doing so for many years now. Naturally, you'd see more complaints about them than any other seed house. That's a fact.

Being in the online biz myself, it takes 20 good experiences to get one good writeup, and only one bad experience to get that one bad writeup.

Not trying to be a diplomat here or endorsing Nirvana. Just speaking my piece. :)
 
Talk about the epitome of hypocrisy! I have said it REPEATEDLY that friends have purchased and grown Nirvana seeds. I have seen what they have had to put up with, including one being threatened by Nirvana that they would forward his personal information to his local cops, something verified by Nirvana itself, because he complained when his seeds would not pop and he wanted replacements or a refund .. and I have smoked what they have grown and know it is low quality.
Now hang on a minute. You referenced my post about the ratting out twice without getting the point IMO. NIRVANA never threatened to rat anyone out. In my experience they bend over backwards for customers. What happened was that they hired some dude to cover customer service (we're talking 6 or so years ago) and HE made threats only to customers that retracted their payments (threats which I'm pretty sure he had no intention of ever carrying out). As soon as Nirvana found out he was doing it, they fired his sorry ass. It was NEVER Nirvana;s policy to threaten ratting anyone out.

Criticize Nirvana for any other stuff, if you want, but continuing to slag them off for this particular incident is hardly fair - it was years ago, not official company policy, and they fired the guy who did it for it. You've showed you can find accurate and recent things to criticize so I think you could drop this one.
 

Brick Top

New Member
Now hang on a minute. You referenced my post about the ratting out twice without getting the point IMO. NIRVANA never threatened to rat anyone out. In my experience they bend over backwards for customers. What happened was that they hired some dude to cover customer service (we're talking 6 or so years ago) and HE made threats only to customers that retracted their payments (threats which I'm pretty sure he had no intention of ever carrying out). As soon as Nirvana found out he was doing it, they fired his sorry ass. It was NEVER Nirvana;s policy to threaten ratting anyone out.

Message # 108 in this thread:
This has been an interesting thread, thanks everyone who added their $0.02

Personally I've had nothing but good experiences with Nirvana, but I kept seeing Brick Top posting about Nirvana threatening to sick LEO on customers... thats a bit too rich for my blood even. Crappy seeds, eh, usually it's people who don't know who to grow in the first place but threatening to rat customers out to the authorities is just low. And I did find a post thru Google from about 5 years back from a customer who posted an e-mail with this threat from Nirvana.

So I asked Alice at Nirvana Shop about this and.... she admitted that it happened (the threats, not the actual ratting people out)!! It was however years ago, back when they had a really sucky and basicaly insane employee working for them (in the dark ages Before Alice). The employee has been fired over making these threats and Nirvana has really stepped up to the plate since and professionalized their service department (as I can confirm, Alice is a total doll). Hope that clears things up on that count at least... Alice was horrified that story is still doing the rounds... she would never do stuff like that.
There was no mention of your claimed outside; "dude" to handle customer service. In the case of the guy I knew who was threatened to be ratted out the email came from Nirvana, not some other outside source or email address. When you looked at the Internet header information for the email it showed it came from Nirvana, not some outside source.

Your claim that threats were only made to people who retracted their payments was false. People who complained about never receiving orders and who wanted their beans shipped and delivered or a refund were also threatened.

Like it or not, it happened. The Nirvana apologists can attempt to whitewash it and spin it and try to rewrite history all they want but the actual facts themselves will never change. You Nirvana apologists and lovers might alter the perception of some, but that will not change what happened and that will not turn Wal-Mart grade genetics into high grade genetics.
 

tingpoon

Well-Known Member
wow i cant believe you guys are still arguing! i would rather order from nirvana than bcbud or everybodydoesit to be honest, i think they have much better genetics. the aurora indica flowered pretty quickly, just at 8 weeks. intensive resin production, and not the smelliest during flower.
 

Brick Top

New Member
wow i cant believe you guys are still arguing! i would rather order from nirvana than bcbud or everybodydoesit to be honest,
If those were the only choices I would likely grow from bagseed. You pick two of the worst places you possibly could to use as a comparison so most people would likely agree with you ... but you doing that does not make Nirvana any better than it actually is.
 

yum114

Active Member
there not tales ,, lol
how old are you guys , ever smoke any bud from the 90`s , 80`s or late 70`s
well im 45 and i have , and im telling you all this new weed is just not the same
I only believe that you all say this because those strains back then had less of a high. All of them were basically shwagg and since(at the time) it was the only thing available all over there wasnt a better high so to speak. Now you've got so many different strains that everyone is accustomed to that you're kind of getting used to the new age weed. That weed back then may have gotten you higher but its only because youre tolerance wasn't up to par. Im willing to bet if someone could hypothetically speaking of course travel back in time and pick up a half ounce. and you smoke a fat bud from it and compared it with the genetics of today, there would be no match with todays weed being much better. You also have to think, the world revolves and so does everything in it. With that being said, Im pretty sure that the growers as well as their techniques have gotten MUCH better in the last 30 years. How could the weed be worse?
 

thomthumb

Member
Let me see if I understand you correctly. To spread the truth means only expressing it once and then sitting back while large numbers of puppies and Beavis and Buttheads all say, nope, not true, and go on and on about their misconceptions, if someone responds to them, further adding to the facts or repeating some because by reading someone else's message that it was clear that they missed something at some point or misunderstood something at some point, it then makes the truth an untruth simply through the act of repetition?

And for further clarification of your statement, if a fact or facts are presented .. and let us be clear on what a fact is:

fact


Something that actually exists; reality; truth; a concept whose truth can be proved.


So with the actual accurate definition in mind, if a fact or facts are presented you believe that even though it is a fact or facts the final decision on if it is factual or not should be left for others to make their own decision if what is factual is indeed factual or not?

If so, what you are saying is that each person's personal opinion, their personal belief, which so very, very often here is not based in true knowledge but is merely a chosen or preferred perception, somehow magically and mystically transforms proven facts into inaccuracies and at the same time transforms inaccurate misconceptions and warped perceptions into proven facts.

Using your logic and reasoning someone could say that it is a fact that gravity exists, but if someone decided to disagree with that fact, gravity would no longer be a fact and things would begin floating around, or someone could say it is a fact that the earth is round but someone else could say, nope, it's flat, and because of that the planet would become flat and ships would sail right over the edge.

I will never understand why so many growers are so fact-phobic. Possibly it is because so very many of them have always been education-phobic and concepts like learning and accepting are so totally foreign to them.

But I still believe it at least in part goes back to some basic insecurity causing them to need to believe that whatever they pick or do or how they do it just has to be top shelf.

We see that sort of thing exhibited on a fairly regular basis where someone using a few weak CFLs and aluminum foil for reflective material and grows Dollar Store genetics will claim they can, and do, produce as large of yields with as large and as dense of buds as someone with a 600-watt or 1000-watt HID setup who uses Mylar for a reflective material and grows nothing but the highest quality genetics available.

I fully understand that everyone has certain things they would really like to believe. Me, I would really like to believe in the Easter Bunny, the missile shield and strippers with a heart of gold. Sadly though I am bound to exist within the realm of reality and that is why I know that Nirvana's gear is crap and that Nirvana is not a business to be trusted.
WOW!!!! You sir, are the most arrogant poster I've read yet. I've been lurking on this & OTHER boards for several months. I have seen more posts praising nirvana than not. Just saying. BTW, I ordered from Nirvana, my beans arrived in under 2 weeks & germinated 100%. But since you must always be right, Nirvana must suck.
 

sniffer

Well-Known Member
WOW!!!! You sir, are the most arrogant poster I've read yet. I've been lurking on this & OTHER boards for several months. I have seen more posts praising nirvana than not. Just saying. BTW, I ordered from Nirvana, my beans arrived in under 2 weeks & germinated 100%. But since you must always be right, Nirvana must suck.
LOL ,, come back after you smoke that nirvana stuff ,
it grows real pretty ,, lol
 
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