MrGhettoGrower
Well-Known Member
You were saying nothing wrong here~ I got a movie to make!
Does Fox Farm Suck?
- Thread starter Breadman
- Start date
TshirtNinja
Well-Known Member
If you can't grow with FFOF you need to stop growing...... Or at least that strain.
Nullis
Moderator
Blah blah blah, quit talking bullshit. "It has twigs in it now...OMG... the twigs fucked up my plants...evil fucking twigs". Reality: what you're saying makes no sense. Yup, they changed the formula and didn't tell anyone... it's a huge conspiracy and you're not supposed to know. I'd fear for my life now if I was you.
Come on. Other people besides cannabis growers use Ocean Forest, interestingly enough. And do you think anybody on a tomato, rose or other legal plant growing forum is going on about how FF secretly changed formulas and fucked their plants up? I doubt it. And what logical reason would there be for them to do this? You realize that a number of agricultural products, including many of the ingredients in OF, are by-products from other industries?
If you opened the bag of OF and there really was some issue which was evident then why would you even plant into it?
Then you have folks like this:
Uhhh... yah... I am sure they dropped their "organic-ness" by 15%. Right.
dam bro ur on the exact feeding i am fox farm liquids and soulubles and CaMg and bud candy great combo but i use happyfrog soil not as hot and i can feed more ime using rrots organic right now to try it out
Dope Cobra
Member
Hey guys I had a little bit of trouble with the f.f. soil so I switched to Sunshine with a 30-40% pearlite. It has nothing in it so you can use your own amendments or just start feeding right away with whatever you are comfortable with. Also I spent a little more on the H&G line and that is showing me much better results so far.
MrGhettoGrower
Well-Known Member
[QUOTE=Nullis;5692896]Blah blah blah, quit talking bullshit. "It has twigs in it now...OMG... the twigs fucked up my plants...evil fucking twigs". Reality: what you're saying makes no sense. Yup, they changed the formula and didn't tell anyone... it's a huge conspiracy and you're not supposed to know. I'd fear for my life now if I was you.
Come on. Other people besides cannabis growers use Ocean Forest, interestingly enough. And do you think anybody on a tomato, rose or other legal plant growing forum is going on about how FF secretly changed formulas and fucked their plants up? I doubt it. And what logical reason would there be for them to do this? You realize that a number of agricultural products, including many of the ingredients in OF, are by-products from other industries?
If you opened the bag of OF and there really was some issue which was evident then why would you even plant into it?
So the twigs are new? All I'm saying is that it is different and you can tell by looking at it. And a lot of grower are having problems not just me!
The ph is lower soon as you open the bag. Should it be like that?
Come on. Other people besides cannabis growers use Ocean Forest, interestingly enough. And do you think anybody on a tomato, rose or other legal plant growing forum is going on about how FF secretly changed formulas and fucked their plants up? I doubt it. And what logical reason would there be for them to do this? You realize that a number of agricultural products, including many of the ingredients in OF, are by-products from other industries?
If you opened the bag of OF and there really was some issue which was evident then why would you even plant into it?
So the twigs are new? All I'm saying is that it is different and you can tell by looking at it. And a lot of grower are having problems not just me!
The ph is lower soon as you open the bag. Should it be like that?
Nullis
Moderator
Uh-huh and no offense but a lot of 'growers' don't know what they are doing. I have had issues too until I realized that organization and planning were just as important as knowing what has to be done and why.
Here are some photos of Ocean Forest straight out of a new bag, purchased on the East coast. I took them because someone else was insisting that the OF on the east coast was 'barky' and so much different from the OF of the west. Other people insist that Fox Farm soils are only made in one place, in CA.
So what's wrong with this picture? Even if there were a few 'twigs'... so what? That would be organic matter. OF is an organic potting soil. I have a bag of pure Alaskan humus and let me tell you that has some twigs, pulled out a big stick about the size of my pinky finger. Still isn't a problem, when I find them I break them up... and they break up very easily because they are pretty decayed.
Now here are some of the biggest 'twigs' I found in the bag of OF. Is this seriously what you have an issue with? I am waiting for someone for take a photo of their 'West Coast OF' so I might be able to compare.
Here are some photos of Ocean Forest straight out of a new bag, purchased on the East coast. I took them because someone else was insisting that the OF on the east coast was 'barky' and so much different from the OF of the west. Other people insist that Fox Farm soils are only made in one place, in CA.
So what's wrong with this picture? Even if there were a few 'twigs'... so what? That would be organic matter. OF is an organic potting soil. I have a bag of pure Alaskan humus and let me tell you that has some twigs, pulled out a big stick about the size of my pinky finger. Still isn't a problem, when I find them I break them up... and they break up very easily because they are pretty decayed.
Now here are some of the biggest 'twigs' I found in the bag of OF. Is this seriously what you have an issue with? I am waiting for someone for take a photo of their 'West Coast OF' so I might be able to compare.
i dnt have a pic of it but last bag i got didnt have that i wouldnt worry about it my outdoor grow is a bunch of twigs in it from a soil building compost its like all twig looking things plants are doing great thou
on the other hand my roots organic soil i am using right now has bunch of twig looking things
on the other hand my roots organic soil i am using right now has bunch of twig looking things
meezy4tw
Active Member
haha its the same trust me. lol
A wierd story about FFOF though, a couple days ago I threw a cigarette butt into a pot on my porch that had some left over FFOF in it. Long story 3 hours later I came outside and the soil IN the pot, was one massive charcoal...smoldering and everything. Ended up pouring water on it and putting it out.
lol now thats some hot soil
400aZip
Well-Known Member
Im sure that every bag can not be the same. Some shipments sit outdoors for an unknown amount of time. some bags may have a few more twigs than others. But im pretty sure its reputation for success is far too strong to say FF 'sucks'. I have had nothing but success with fox farm ocean soil.
marijane89
Member
Miracle grow has twigs too and it worked great for me in my first grow. I think the whole twig problem is an excuse for sucking at growing weed. Twigs just make the soil more natural for the plant.
will miracle grow soil work for outdoor i can get a deal on it and i need 250 gallons of it its the moisture control soil and i was going to add some perlite and steer manure a guy said that worked great for him has anyone used steer manure
marijane89
Member
I've never used steer manure but yes miracle grow works great outdoor, if you get miracle grow that is not the organic one just make sure you flush it out, because it has chemicles in it. After you flush you can go ahead and mix in you steer manure if you like. Keeo us posted it it works for you.
will do i transplanted into straight mg dnt know if ime going to add the manure might just use it for the peppers and vedgies ime doing also
MrGhettoGrower
Well-Known Member
I'm in much better mood! Here are some fresh pic's looking a lot better. I feeded yesterday back to back cuz I didn't feed enough the last time I make sure this time giving'em 2tsp Tiger Blood 1 tbs big bloom and 1 tsp of grow big never give'em 2 tsp in flower like the chart says and on top of all that 1/2 tsp of Beastie bloomz! The ph was still a little low so I put a cup of lime in the soil so next time it will be there. Thats a total of all most 3 cups of Soil Dr. lawn lime in every 5 gallon pot? The 3rd pic is good for my pc wallpaper. When you grow with ffof it like a guessing game good luck!
lovebud420
Active Member
it sounds to me like its your soil to blame for your high ec, not foxfarm's nutrients that you add. fox farm kicks ass
weedbeavis
Member
I use FF, Frog, or whatever is cheap for other plants. Never had a problem, but I'm way easy on adding nutes as well. I grow the MJ hydroponically and I'm not a big fan of FF's nutes for hydro. But it's really more of a preference with cost as a factor.
dgaf757
Active Member
so first of all before you talk some shit read what i said. i never said they dropped their organic-ness by 15%. ill say it again, the organic soil, being organic... with use of organic FF products dropped the final yield by 15%. so before you go smoking out your ass, check your literacy skills.Blah blah blah, quit talking bullshit. "It has twigs in it now...OMG... the twigs fucked up my plants...evil fucking twigs". Reality: what you're saying makes no sense. Yup, they changed the formula and didn't tell anyone... it's a huge conspiracy and you're not supposed to know. I'd fear for my life now if I was you.
Come on. Other people besides cannabis growers use Ocean Forest, interestingly enough. And do you think anybody on a tomato, rose or other legal plant growing forum is going on about how FF secretly changed formulas and fucked their plants up? I doubt it. And what logical reason would there be for them to do this? You realize that a number of agricultural products, including many of the ingredients in OF, are by-products from other industries?
If you opened the bag of OF and there really was some issue which was evident then why would you even plant into it?
Then you have folks like this:
Uhhh... yah... I am sure they dropped their "organic-ness" by 15%. Right.
really it was that hard to understand. i thought it was a wide known fact that organics dont by any means get higher yields than synthetic systems. buddy if only you could convince the world of your thoughts. maybe then youd make a living at this.