Does curing really make a big difference? +++rep

I dry mine ALMOST completely before I cure. If I notice too much moisture, I put the buds in a paper bag overnight, then back in jars the next day. I have found that curing for at least 2 weeks gives it a more amazing flavor and the best potency ever. I open my jars 2-3 times a day. I love the smell every time and it makes it easier to wait. Appreciate your work when you open the jars!
 

darkdestruction420

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you are talking about something else that doesnt have much effect during curing.
Decarboxylation

Some decarboxylization will take place during curing as well. This happens when the carboxyl group (COOH) located at C-2, C-4, or the end of the hydrocarbon chain at C-3 is destroyed leaving a hydrogen attached and liberating CO2.


http://www.420magazine.com/forums/harvest-preparation-curing/67458-curing-increase-potency-enhance-taste.html
http://www.mjguide.com/tutorials/Harvesting%20and%20Curing/1680.htm
http://www.marijuanagrowing.eu/curing-process-benefits-t30913.html

Decarboxylization is necessary to convert cannabinoids to usable psychoactive forms; the plants (and your body) carboxylize cannabinoids to make them more soluble in water (for metabolic reactions and excretion).

Research indicates that this effect is fairly minimal during the curing process though. Decarboxylization will take place naturally very rapidly at temperatures of over 100C. So smoking and most any cooking will decarboxylize the cannabinoids. As decarboxylization occurs, the loss of CO2 will liberate a small amount of inert material making the pot more potent via concentration of the cannabinoids.
 

Hudsonvalley82

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So curing does increase THC content. Albeit that heat does as well. Heat also breaks down THC so that argument is a touch double edged, but Thank you for proving that THC content increases during a cure. My source is your quote...

Seriously though, seeing as how there are only 2 marijuana licenses in the US I doubt you will find much concrete research to prove anything.

I have smoked great uncured bud, but if you are going to sell it, you will need that smell, and that smell only comes from curing..


Source?

Also, THC is mainly in the form of THC-COOH (tetrahydrocannabinol carboxylic acid) in plants. Now here is where most people confuse things, I think; there are two things that cause THC-COOH to decarboxylate (turning into an active form of THC for your dome): 1.) Time 2.) Heat.

So, does curing activate THC? Yes. But so does heat, therefore burning some dried bud is going to decarboxylate THC-COOH just as time would. Quick decarboxylation, so to speak.

If someone would, as I mentioned before, post a scientific journal/scholarly publishing refuting this, I would gladly accept my fail-card, and take back my claims.
 

researchkitty

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Whether it be more potent or not potent, the fact that the plant tastes, smokes, and looks nicer when its cured, is worth doing it. If the potency does increase (which it does), then that's just an added win too.

I dont cure my weed, I just smoke it after its dried. I guess the reason is that people always want to buy it, so I never really can keep any on hand to keep in jars. $100 bills cure much nicer.
 

phyzix

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I just keep a plant alive in my living room so I can pinch off a bud and toss it in the pipe.





Nah, bad idea.
 

GutterGravy

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I just keep a plant alive in my living room so I can pinch off a bud and toss it in the pipe.





Nah, bad idea.

My roommate is still under the impression that this is possible, after 6 month's he still asks me 'hey cant you just take a nug off and smoke it', i've explained the drying and curing process at least 5 times to him and he still doesn't get it lol
 

pelt1

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I've had a few harvests..... and curing makes a HUUUUUGE difference for me. And I particularly know because I usually sample mine daily from day one, through the full cure and it becomes noticiably different over time. I would say in my experience, at the end of that FIRST WEEK OF ACTUAL CURE is when it becomes worthy of even thinking about using.

Btw I usually dry for two weeks, which is right at the time the smaller stems FIRST CRACKS, then cure in jars burping jars at least once a day. And every other day, I pull all the buds out, and put them back in reverse order.

Weird thing is, I always quick dry some, and it usually mostly sucks. I mean you can tell that it's herb, it's just not really pleasurable. And the whole time I'm thinking I"m going to have a batch of week herb...... but it always gets awesome!!!
 

Dirt Bikin Buds

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Weird thing is, I always quick dry some, and it usually mostly sucks. I mean you can tell that it's herb, it's just not really pleasurable. And the whole time I'm thinking I"m going to have a batch of week herb...... but it always gets awesome!!!
Thats great to hear, mine has dried for about a week and has been in jars for 4-6 days or so and it still smells like hay BAD... (def not mold)

I hope mine gets better with some time too!
 

pelt1

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Thats great to hear, mine has dried for about a week and has been in jars for 4-6 days or so and it still smells like hay BAD... (def not mold)

I hope mine gets better with some time too!
Thing is, I don't think I've ever experienced the "hay" smell. In my experience it's always smelled great even after harvest, it would just take a lot of it to produce a significant high. It would also produce kinda a 'hay-like' smell or taste quickly while vaporizing with uncured bud. I mean as I'm vaporizing, it would go from tasting decent, to tasting like hay really quickly. While with a longer cure, it retains that nice taste longer while vaporizing.

Here is a question for everyone. Can anyone say OBJECTIVELY that they have had herb that was either recently cut, or maybe out of that initial dry that was the bomb? I wonder if there is herb out there that is just so good that it's awesome immediately, or if it generally all works the same in that it all needs to spend some time in a jar before being worth a damn?

In my experience, everything needs a 2 week minimum period before being worth using.
 

homebrewer

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I usually dry my stuff and smoke it. It smells like hay the first couple days then when its dry it has little smell at all and smokes great. Does curing just give it smell or does it add to potency too?

Basically what does jar curing do to the bud? When is the best time to put it in the jar?

Thanks +rep to all
DBB
Your bud shouldn't need more than about 2 weeks from the date of harvest to be extraordinary. I get the feeling around here that people think curing is a fix to a product that isn't that great when in all reality, properly grown cannabis with solid genetics doesn't need any help to be stellar.

I've found 'the cure' to soften the smoke and to seal in the delicate aromatics and what I think people are seeing when they think their product is more potent after a cure is more of a function of moisture content than time.
 

phyzix

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Your bud shouldn't need more than about 2 weeks from the date of harvest to be extraordinary. I get the feeling around here that people think curing is a fix to a product that isn't that great when in all reality, properly grown cannabis with solid genetics doesn't need any help to be stellar.

I've found 'the cure' to soften the smoke and to seal in the delicate aromatics and what I think people are seeing when they think their product is more potent after a cure is more of a function of moisture content than time.
I agree. The cure evens out the moisture in the buds, resulting in a more pleasant and aromatic product.
 

pelt1

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I've found 'the cure' to soften the smoke and to seal in the delicate aromatics and what I think people are seeing when they think their product is more potent after a cure is more of a function of moisture content than time.
Not that I am saying I am right and you are wrong.... but from my experience, I have to vaporize about 3-4 times the amount of bud the younger the herb is to achieve the same high. By that I mean say after a week of drying, the herb is usable, but it takes quite a bit of herb to achieve a high. Then maybe 2-3 weeks later with curing, I can use a SUBSTANTIALLY smaller amount to achieve a similiar high.

Is this just coincidence?
 

researchkitty

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Not that I am saying I am right and you are wrong.... but from my experience, I have to vaporize about 3-4 times the amount of bud the younger the herb is to achieve the same high. By that I mean say after a week of drying, the herb is usable, but it takes quite a bit of herb to achieve a high. Then maybe 2-3 weeks later with curing, I can use a SUBSTANTIALLY smaller amount to achieve a similiar high.

Is this just coincidence?
Its because you're vaporizing moisture first before you can get to the thc. Cured vapor will also vaporize less bags than fresh vapor, but its basically the evil twin so it doesnt matter I think............ That's my experience anyhow, ymmv =)
 

homebrewer

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Not that I am saying I am right and you are wrong.... but from my experience, I have to vaporize about 3-4 times the amount of bud the younger the herb is to achieve the same high. By that I mean say after a week of drying, the herb is usable, but it takes quite a bit of herb to achieve a high. Then maybe 2-3 weeks later with curing, I can use a SUBSTANTIALLY smaller amount to achieve a similiar high.

Is this just coincidence?
It's the same deal when you're trying to smoke buds before they're fully dry. I have no doubt that there are some processes that take place within the resin glands or whatever, but I'm a firm believer this is a function of moisture, not time.
 

pelt1

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Would the moisture really matter? Let's say that you are completely vaporizing, or burning the buds. So that you inhale everything the buds have to offer. Which in the case of a moist bud would be all the moisture and whatever thc or cannabanoids are there. SO let's say you consume everything that is there except for the ash.

The reason I mention this is b/c when I vape, I like to see my scuff a certain color before I consider it done, and I think I'm pretty consistant with hitting this point. The question is, if I am hitting this similiar point, why is it that the high I get is sooooooooo different during different times of curing if it's simply a matter of moisture?
 

homebrewer

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Would the moisture really matter? Let's say that you are completely vaporizing, or burning the buds. So that you inhale everything the buds have to offer. Which in the case of a moist bud would be all the moisture and whatever thc or cannabanoids are there. SO let's say you consume everything that is there except for the ash.

The reason I mention this is b/c when I vape, I like to see my scuff a certain color before I consider it done, and I think I'm pretty consistant with hitting this point. The question is, if I am hitting this similiar point, why is it that the high I get is sooooooooo different during different times of curing if it's simply a matter of moisture?
To be honest, I've never vaporized but I have smoked my own product before it was fully dry and I know where you're coming from. It lacked that 'kick in the face' potency and intensity. The only examples I can provide that illustrates what I'm talking about (time vs moisture) is drying your product in a food dehydrator or an extra long drying period due to humidity. 95* for 18-24 hours in a food dehydrator and there isn't a drop of moisture in that product at that point and we could be talking 18-24 hours after the plant has been chopped. I've found that particular drying method to yield a harsher smoking experience (due to the quick dry process) but it certainly didn't seem to lack any potency. Now I've had extra humid seasons where hanging product took 3 weeks of hang drying until I felt it was ok to be placed into jars and bags to sweat out the rest of the moisture. Even at 3 week, that product would be similar to the product you're writing about that lacked potency.

Now I don't 'quick dry' my personal in a dehydrator, I hang it until it feels dry, then sweat the moisture out in jars and bags. What extra humid seasons and food dehydrators tell me is that potency is more related to moisture than time. Again, a normal drying time and cure of about 2 weeks should yield you a stellar product, but YMMV.
 

researchkitty

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Would the moisture really matter? Let's say that you are completely vaporizing, or burning the buds. So that you inhale everything the buds have to offer. Which in the case of a moist bud would be all the moisture and whatever thc or cannabanoids are there. SO let's say you consume everything that is there except for the ash.

The reason I mention this is b/c when I vape, I like to see my scuff a certain color before I consider it done, and I think I'm pretty consistant with hitting this point. The question is, if I am hitting this similiar point, why is it that the high I get is sooooooooo different during different times of curing if it's simply a matter of moisture?
If cured weight is considered 100% "dry", then consider non cured, but a week after harvest weight, 75% dry. Ergo, the cured will result in a 33% larger hit, or the wet 25% less whichever way you like to skew your math. :)


100% of your plant is water and nutrients as it grows! :)

And yea, when its done vaporizing its just brown and crisp, thats how you know its dead for sure (as well as the bag not being cloudy if using a bag system)
 

Serapis

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It does not get more potent, it may increase smoothness, taste, or burn-ability, but as far as more potent, that would imply an increase in trichomes, which is simply not true.
Time to eat some foot.... Trichomes ain't the buzz... trichomes produce resin, which has a chemical compound in it called THC. While it is true no new trichomes are produced, chlorophyl is still being metabolized by the plant and THC levels do move up or down, depending on environment. This was proven long ago and I thought it to be common knowledge among all growers. In fact, as long as there is more than 55% water moisture content in a bud, it will continue some of it's cellular processes way past chop day.
 
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