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chronicals77

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I push nutes as soon as they go into the flower room the first week before bud set to build the root
system and yes they do stretch but it's primarily for the roots and I don't use boosters.

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Now see I do things a little different. I build my root system from week one veg through week two 12/12, so 4-5 weeks root building depending on how many weeks I veg. Rarely more than 3w veg. This way my plants have a massive root system and everything already stored by the time flowers kick in. I feed 1500-2500ppms depending on strain. Again, this is hydro though. None of the plants I grew in soil mixes can even compete with my hydro products. I <3 Hydro! lol
 

chronicals77

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I sure hope I was doing it right, I been growing plants for 23 years. For me, in my experience of hydro compared to soil veg rates are faster, bloom is faster, more explosive growth in roots and vegitation, stronger thicker plants, higher yield, way more and bigger trichomes, and atleast 1.5x potency. If not double. By the time my plants are flipped the 5 gallon bucket is completely full of bright white roots. Im not talking a round rootball either, im saying the roots take up every square inch of the inside of the bucket in a few weeks time. GH's Rapid Start is amazing. Actually the entire GH line is amazing. Thats all I use appart from Hydroguard by Botanicare. I'll post a pic in a minute. Im not saying everyone should switch but I am saying anyone that grows indoors thats never tried true hydro should try it without taking any shortcuts or repurposing nutrients. I personally dont understand why everyone isnt growing hydro, for me its night and day. I use GH Floraseries entire line and follow the GH Expert Recycling Chart and my tent is dialed in perfectly and im growing the best product ive ever grown in my life. I think when most try hydro they mix up product lines, they use those products every way except whats recommended, there temps and humidity maybe is off, and possibly dont keep ph optimal. I think for a few its maybe too hard also. Not anyone here, just speaking in general.
 

akhiymjames

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I'm sure most of us in these threads know that hydro is much faster growth than soil. So it's no point in trying to even compare growth rates. If I could I probably would run a hydro setup for the whole space cus of the fast rate and yields are better but I think flavor IMHO is best is soil. And depending on what nutes is used like old an said not everyone wants to smoke buds from synthetic nutes. Nothing again GH nutes but ever since Monsanto bought them I wouldn't be so quick to used them. Everyone doesn't have the time to run hydro so soil is easier and forgiving. Mess up with hydro and not so much but it's many factors to why someone doesn't grow hydro but I'm pretty sure it doesn't double potency. If that was the case these cultivars that test regularly in the high 20s would be more than that and it's not too many cultivars that's tested 30s. It's all about giving the plants what it needs to produce lovely flowers. Combination of many things. Hydro isnt the god way to grow tho I grow that way too but prefer my organic soil over it
 

Vnsmkr

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I'm growing for med patients and use nutes that have no salts or residuals
taking care of my patients comes first and foremost that's why I grow the way I do.
It is a different structure but the results speak for themselves.
I don't get to biggest but it works for them.

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I am also leaning towards where oldman60 is coming from. I didnt mean to say you dont know what you are doing chronicals77 only that you can get very good results in soil, maybe not as fast, but the quality is definitely there
 

BigLittlejohn

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I think without question you get a more complex and rich flavor when grown in soil as compared to hydro. Each medium has its advantages and disadvantages but ultimately it is about the individual grower doing what works best for them to produce the desired result. I run dwc because for me it maximizes yield for my space with a barely noticeable dip in flavor. But I grow for me, not cancer patients already dealing with chemo poisoning their bodies.

I'd like to do some organic supersoil, water only runs but I can never justify it with the space I have, so it will have wait until I can get more space.
 

Vnsmkr

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I hear you @BigLittlejohn , but why just think along the lines of if you are growing for only you, you dont require clean meds? Im not knocking anything because I just dont do that and I too have grown synthetically, but why does it matter whether one is on chemo or not? Poison is poison is it not?
 

chronicals77

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It doesn't bother me that GH was bought out because it is an indirect ownership and the products are not and have not been changed in any way. The only difference is whos pockets the profit goes in. They arent changing anything. GH is still the high quallity advanced nutrient system it has always been. Synthetics come from the same organic sources as any other high quality nutrients. Its not like synthetics are a bad evil chemical that wreak havok everywhere it goes. There are salts in ALL nutrients, especially "fertilizers". Fertilizers and nutrients are different. Salts are just higher in others and thats why its recommended to flush GH between each nute change. Aa long as instructions are followed and products used correctly theres no difference in mineral content in finished products from organic to synthetic. I wish people wouldnt freak out when someone mentions synthetics and make them out to be bad. Me personally, and this is just my opinion but I believe if you grow two clones of the same strain and grow one true hydro to the letter and the other in whatever soil with whatever nutrients the hydro will dominate the soil grown in every aspect. Thats just been my experience and I have to believe it because its my reality and anyone thats had my herbs says the same thing. Everyone, young and weathered. lol. Im hoping to enter my buds in the Cannabis Cup in the near future.

I also grow for patients, my other half is my main and most important patient. She has MS, a Brain Tumor, and now an inidentified growth on her kidney. She has to have a biopsy done on it. Shes rotting away from prescription meds so thats one reason I grow a few very potent strains every so often so she has a variety from high cbd/low thc to high thc for pain. When she uses the stronger stuff she only needs one toke and she doesnt need the pain killers. It also helps her eat. She gets a 5 hour iv treatment once a month and it makes her very sick. If I didnt think my product was very clean and high quality I would not give it to her. She vapes, and I make concentrates for eatting and smoking. I need CW but I cannot afford a $500 plane ticket to go buy it and mail it to myself. Doc, what would it take to get you to make some CW seeds?
 

BigLittlejohn

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I hear you @BigLittlejohn , but why just think along the lines of if you are growing for only you, you dont require clean meds? Im not knocking anything because I just dont do that and I too have grown synthetically, but why does it matter whether one is on chemo or not? Poison is poison is it not?
I'm sure Doc doesn't mind some discussion. For me, I feel good that flush takes care of any concerns I have with the nutes I am using. Efficient use of my space while producing enough so that I never go without while covering my costs is pretty much my #1 in this hobby of ours.
 

chronicals77

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Synthetics pollute ground soil, ground water and the run off destroys ecosystems. Look up the Salton Sea. Its the largest lake in California. 35 miles long and 15 miles wide. Once a popular vacation spot. In the 1950's and 60's. Even the Rat Pack vacationed there. Over 4500 species of birds and fish once lived there. There's dead mutated fish all along the shore line. All the pollution was caused by run off from local farms using synthetics and chemicals. Now they're spending millions to restore it.

http://www.water.ca.gov/saltonsea/

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Then the chemical ph stabilizers like phosphoric acid , folic acid, calcium nitrates are harmful to the human body and can cause cancer and other pulmonary disorders over time.
Yeah that sucks terribly but I believe pesticides ect were to blame for that. Not high quality nutrients. The plants absorb minerals, they dont absorb the acids ect used to correct ph. I believe in GH and I know if there products were that harmful they wouldnt have been in business since 1938. There are harmful fertilizers but you have to research and know what your buying and where it comes from. GH comes from the highest quality organic minerals. Its not Robocop my friend, its organic minerals that are biologically refined, cleaned for sterility, and concentrated for usability.
 

ThaMagnificent

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I sure hope I was doing it right, I been growing plants for 23 years. For me, in my experience of hydro compared to soil veg rates are faster, bloom is faster, more explosive growth in roots and vegitation, stronger thicker plants, higher yield, way more and bigger trichomes, and atleast 1.5x potency. If not double. By the time my plants are flipped the 5 gallon bucket is completely full of bright white roots. Im not talking a round rootball either, im saying the roots take up every square inch of the inside of the bucket in a few weeks time. GH's Rapid Start is amazing. Actually the entire GH line is amazing. Thats all I use appart from Hydroguard by Botanicare. I'll post a pic in a minute. Im not saying everyone should switch but I am saying anyone that grows indoors thats never tried true hydro should try it without taking any shortcuts or repurposing nutrients. I personally dont understand why everyone isnt growing hydro, for me its night and day. I use GH Floraseries entire line and follow the GH Expert Recycling Chart and my tent is dialed in perfectly and im growing the best product ive ever grown in my life. I think when most try hydro they mix up product lines, they use those products every way except whats recommended, there temps and humidity maybe is off, and possibly dont keep ph optimal. I think for a few its maybe too hard also. Not anyone here, just speaking in general.
Tap or ro?
 

chronicals77

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Pesticides and synthetic / chemical nutrients have the same harmful ingredients. It's the same thing.

I suggest you contact your state dept of agriculture and see what's in those bottles. Most companies lie or don't disclose everything to the public.

Derived from organic sources doesn't mean it's organic. General organics is not organic at all. Like I said before they have phosphoric acid and calcium nitrates. Which are chemicals and are harmful to people and land and animals.

Did you know when you sterilize anything that's organic you kill off all the good beneficials.

Usda guidlines allow x amount of chemicals to be used on organic crops. Anything with a usda organic label is about 70% organic. Therefore not organic.

Organics is natural, mimicking nature. There's no such thing as organic bottled nutes. They all have chemical ph stabilizers and some have chemical chelating agents like edta.

Omri listings are bullshit anything or anyone can get an omri label for the right price. Avid, guardian, pure spray green, gravity, bushmaster. All omri listed and banned in several states for falsifying ingredients and msds sheets. All faced major law suits.

The only organic certification that is legit full natural organic is oregon tilth. It's very strict and takes about 5-6 years to get the certification
Its obvious theres no convincing you but not all synthetic nutrients are created equal. I know a lot about GH and I stand behind them. I cannot speak for all brands but Blue Planet is another thats trustworthy and excellent. Its the ones that keep thier ingredients and methods a secret are the untrustworthy ones such as Advanced Nutrients. You couldnt give me that shit!
 
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