Do you like your weed nuked to death.

Observe & Report

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Sounds like typical nuclear scare mongering.

The Hazekamp study only has an N=8 so it's probably under powered to detect anything but a night-and-day sized effect. They also say the additional terpine loss is likely just evaporation from additional handling, which jives with the results from other studies of irradiaton on terpines in non-Cannabis species.

from Hazekamp:
In our study, irradiation had a measurable effect on the content of multiple cannabis terpenes, mainly on the more volatile monoterpenes. Reduction of affected terpenes was in general between 10 and 20%, but for some components this may be as much as 38%. In a previous study evaluating the effect of gamma irradiation on fresh Cilantro, a decrease in terpene content was also described (Fan and Sokorai, 2002). However, the authors concluded that the observed loss of terpenes such as myrcene and linalool was insignificant compared to the losses that occurred by evaporation during refrigerated storage of Cilantro. Also in orange juice the effect of irradiation on terpenes was found to be non-significant in comparison to changes induced by refrigerated storage (Fan and Gates, 2001). Likewise, the slight terpene reduction observed in the current study is comparable to the effect that short term storage in a paper bag had on cannabis samples, in a study performed by (Ross and ElSohly, 1996). A likely explanation therefore seems that gamma irradiation slightly accelerates the evaporation of some of the more volatile terpenes. This idea is supported by the fact that no degradation products or additional chromatographic peaks were found to account for the lost terpenes, with the exception of some beta-caryophyllene oxide formed in the irradiated sample of variety Bedica. Interestingly, terpenes were not affected to the same degree in all varieties, e.g., myrcene content was clearly reduced in varieties Bedica and Bedrolite but not in variety Bediol. Perhaps this indicates a protective effect that cannabis components may have on each other when present in specific proportions.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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Sounds like typical nuclear scare mongering.

The Hazekamp study only has an N=8 so it's probably under powered to detect anything but a night-and-day sized effect. They also say the additional terpine loss is likely just evaporation from additional handling, which jives with the results from other studies of irradiaton on terpines in non-Cannabis species.

from Hazekamp:
I dunno...I've had 40+ years of exposure to non-irradiated weed so I've kind of become accustomed to it. I don't see a need to change anything that has worked for decades. Whether it's safe or not is debatable, but why take the risk? It certainly doesn't ADD anything beneficial
 

CalyxCrusher

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Sounds like typical nuclear scare mongering.

The Hazekamp study only has an N=8 so it's probably under powered to detect anything but a night-and-day sized effect. They also say the additional terpine loss is likely just evaporation from additional handling, which jives with the results from other studies of irradiaton on terpines in non-Cannabis species.

from Hazekamp:
Irradiated cannabis is garbage. No smell ,no taste, no studies on combustion of irradiated cannabis but lots on vegetables which are eaten but not combusted. If it's such a great thing why aren't they doing it in Colorado or California where they have far better legal cannabis?

The answer is because those places hired people experienced with all aspects of cannabis growing, whereas here they hired people who have only grown vegetables or ornamentals and are run by people who also have no experience with cannabis other than smoking the occasional joint, but they bring money to the table.

Anyone thinking the current state of recreational and medical cannabis in Canada is anything more than a failure either has no idea WTF they're talking about or have never actually had great cannabis on a regular basis. They've also most likely never grown it either because thinking those levels of terpene loss are acceptable is a joke. 10-38%? LOL.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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Anyone thinking the current state of recreational and medical cannabis in Canada is anything more than a failure
I'd reword that....the state of rec and med cannabis in Canada has actually improved for the average consumer, it's the legal, government regulated industry that is failing. Cannabis is now a legal substance - prices are dropping, everyone can have some, everyone can grow some, everyone can share some - all tax-free, and there will never be the resources for government to enforce the laws that exist.
 

CalyxCrusher

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I'd reword that....the state of rec and med cannabis in Canada has actually improved for the average consumer, it's the legal, government regulated industry that is failing. Cannabis is now a legal substance - prices are dropping, everyone can have some, everyone can grow some, everyone can share some - all tax-free, and there will never be the resources for government to enforce the laws that exist.
How has med improved when it's still overpriced hay? Now people have to buy more ditch weed at higher prices to get the effect they need, if they even get one at all. Who cares if the availability has increased if the quality and pricing remain abysmal regardless of legal or medical?
 

Observe & Report

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Irradiated cannabis is garbage. No smell ,no taste, no studies on combustion of irradiated cannabis but lots on vegetables which are eaten but not combusted. If it's such a great thing why aren't they doing it in Colorado or California where they have far better legal cannabis?
All I'm saying is that there isn't evidence that "irradiated Cannabis is garbage." Just repeating it over and over again doesn't make it true. Nobody knows if it's a great thing or not. That's why it sounds like the usual nuclear scare mongering.
 

CalyxCrusher

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All I'm saying is that there isn't evidence that "irradiated Cannabis is garbage." Just repeating it over and over again doesn't make it true. Nobody knows if it's a great thing or not. That's why it sounds like the usual nuclear scare mongering.
Actually there is, as evidenced by the information you provided and having tried it myself from various sources. It has been proven that terpenes and cannabinoids benefit from the entourage effect they provide each other. So a reduction in terpenes diminishes the efficacy of the cannabinoids which in turn diminishes the effects of the cannabis. Providing facts is far from fear mongering. Fear mongering is exactly the non sense that Reefer Madness claimed happened to cannabis users.
 

gb123

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All I'm saying is that there isn't evidence that "irradiated Cannabis is garbage." Just repeating it over and over again doesn't make it true. Nobody knows if it's a great thing or not. That's why it sounds like the usual nuclear scare mongering.
we speak sense
irradiation is not good for anyone..concentrated into meds or smoked by some poor unknowing dweeb who doesnt know any better...until they get their hands on REAL CLEAN HERB..
and chummily...if you like smokin it..GREAT FOR YOU..but know that you were warned.
Irradiation is for FOOD CROPS THAT CAN BE WASHED
POT CANT BE WASHED... the fool always amaze me with what they think and believe. :rolleyes:
 

VIANARCHRIS

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How has med improved when it's still overpriced hay? Now people have to buy more ditch weed at higher prices to get the effect they need, if they even get one at all. Who cares if the availability has increased if the quality and pricing remain abysmal regardless of legal or medical?
I was referring to BM weed - nothing the LP's have can be considered medicine. There is no longer any need for the average patient to get a doctor to sign anything or share your health information with the doorknobs at HC. Everyone can grow 4 legal and nobody is checking if you have 8 or 10. Most patients can grow enough for themselves and still have some to share.
 
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