Do roots continue to grow in bloom?

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GrowUrOwnDank

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Cilantrillo said:
According to the H&G feeding charts... Use Roots Excelurator until the 3rd or 4th week of flower (depending on flowering time). 6 & 8-weekers, until week 3; 10 to 12-weekers, until week 4. Basically until the transitional period is over and initial flowering has set.
Results? See below...
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(Top two pictures were of a DWC-grown Cindy 99 using Algen Extract, therefore the slightly brownish coloration. No disease, though. The bottom pic was of an Afghani #1 in DWC with no Algen. Those who've grown the #1 in soilless know how finicky rooting can be for this variety; that's the result in DWC, with two airstones. The roots snapped a stone in half by the time this pic was taken and were so enveloped around its pores that I had to let it go until harvest. Both pics were taken ar day 53 of flowering).

Better roots, better fruit.

Feeding schedules are available at http://www.house-garden.us/feeding-schedules

"Argument is sugar, and the rest of us are flies"
-Richard Wald
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Man that's some solid science right there bro. Mad respect. People should thank you for that in depth explanation.
 
thegreensurfer

thegreensurfer

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Cilantrillo said:
According to the H&G feeding charts... Use Roots Excelurator until the 3rd or 4th week of flower (depending on flowering time). 6 & 8-weekers, until week 3; 10 to 12-weekers, until week 4. Basically until the transitional period is over and initial flowering has set.
Results? See below...
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(Top two pictures were of a DWC-grown Cindy 99 using Algen Extract, therefore the slightly brownish coloration. No disease, though. The bottom pic was of an Afghani #1 in DWC with no Algen. Those who've grown the #1 in soilless know how finicky rooting can be for this variety; that's the result in DWC, with two airstones. The roots snapped a stone in half by the time this pic was taken and were so enveloped around its pores that I had to let it go until harvest. Both pics were taken at day 53 of flowering).

Better roots, better fruit.

Feeding schedules are available at http://www.house-garden.us/feeding-schedules

"Argument is sugar, and the rest of us are flies"
-Richard Wald
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Yes, that is what I do. I go through wk 4 as directed, stopping at wk 5.
 
Cilantrillo

Cilantrillo

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GrowUrOwnDank said:
'Twas a wee bit over me head. But, I did enjoy reading it. I grow a diff way. I did use this stuff called Superthrive once. Because of all the craze about it. I honestly don't know if it ever helped or not.

Anyway. Thanks for sharing bro.
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Super thrive is good. It has B1 vitamin and auxins. Because of this, it is best suited for early transplants (to help prevent transplant shock) and general-purpose vegging. More auxins are needed in veg than in flowering, so its use is somewhat contraindicated during flowering because it can throw off hormonal balance and arrest what would otherwise be an abundant flowering.

I'm trying to keep things simple while avoiding condescending replies. I'd be glad to clarify anything if the need arises. If anything, I hope what I write motivates further research. It's all out there...even the counterpoints.

"Argument is sugar, and the rest of us are flies"
-Richard Wald
 
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GrowUrOwnDank

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Cilantrillo said:
Super thrive is good. It has B1 vitamin and auxins. Because of this, it is best suited for early transplants (to help prevent transplant shock) and general-purpose vegging. More auxins are needed in veg than in flowering, so its use is somewhat contraindicated during flowering because it can throw off hormonal balance and arrest what would otherwise be an abundant flowering.

I'm trying to keep things simple while avoiding condescending replies. I'd be glad to clarify anything if the need arises. If anything, I hope what I write motivates further research. It's all out there...even the counterpoints.

"Argument is sugar, and the rest of us are flies"
-Richard Wald
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I get it. respect.
 
Cilantrillo

Cilantrillo

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DesertGrow89 said:
Speaking of "root nutes", I once used the minimum amount of thrivealive green on several week old plants and it killed them.

Perhaps I'll try a few drops next time..
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Thrive Alive Green is sea kelp extract. Not the best quality imo. It works well if you're growing in soil or soil less run to waste, but I would not use that particular product in recirculating grows. It's a hit or miss with sea kelp recirculating. Temps have to be more on the cooler side and strict weekly equipment hygiene must be performed. It is a pain in the ass when done right, but the extra work does pay off.

Maybe use it foliar in veg? Or as irrigation additive in outdoor-grown plants. It's good...just not versatile ;-)

Bear with me on the replies and grammar--getting used to a Samsung keyboard after owning an iPhone sucks at first.

"Argument is sugar, and the rest of us are flies"
-Richard Wald
 
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Cyrus420

Cyrus420

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Resinhound said:


Because they arent needed thats why,its just something for you to waste money on.Plants have been growing roots for ever without this bullshit.But if you want to waste money on this scam be my guest.
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By your logic the only growing utensils we should use is soil pulled from the ground, sun from the sky, and water from the river.

While that sounds nice and all you still haven't told me why it's a scam.

You're straight telling me they aren't needed...so are you admitting they are useful though? Rooting hormones are just like Growth, Bloom, and Protective nutrients. They are concentrated nutrients that your plant eats naturally in the wild if it's available, giving it to your plant manually stimulates extra production which gets us more bud in the end, more roots more fruits.

Just because YOU have never needed/successfully used rooting hormones doesn't mean others do. You can literally go do a side by side comparison of two clones under the same conditions just let your variable be the root booster. If plant A receives root booster and plant B doesn't, Plant A is going to have the better roots. It's just common sense dude.

They aren't a scam, they aren't a waste, you're just wrong.
 
thegreensurfer

thegreensurfer

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Resinhound said:
Because they arent needed thats why,its just something for you to waste money on.Plants have been growing roots for ever without this bullshit.But if you want to waste money on this scam be my guest.
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It's true that there are a lot of scams but I've seen a noticeable difference in using Rhizo Force. Some soils need to be inoculated.....It's taking what is beneficial in nature and putting it on the shelf.
 
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thegreensurfer

thegreensurfer

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Cilantrillo said:
Thrive Alive Green is sea kelp extract. Not the best quality imo. It works well if you're growing in soil or soil less run to waste, but I would not use that particular product in recirculating grows. It's a hit or miss with sea kelp recirculating. Temps have to be more on the cooler side and strict weekly equipment hygiene must be performed. It is a pain in the ass when done right, but the extra work does pay off.

Maybe use it foliar in veg? Or as irrigation additive in outdoor-grown plants. It's good...just not versatile ;-)

Bear with me on the replies and grammar--getting used to a Samsung keyboard after owning an iPhone sucks at first.

"Argument is sugar, and the rest of us are flies"
-Richard Wald
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Liquid Karma is a good Alternative for that
 
Resinhound

Resinhound

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Cyrus420 said:
By your logic the only growing utensils we should use is soil pulled from the ground, sun from the sky, and water from the river.

While that sounds nice and all you still haven't told me why it's a scam.

You're straight telling me they aren't needed...so are you admitting they are useful though? Rooting hormones are just like Growth, Bloom, and Protective nutrients. They are concentrated nutrients that your plant eats naturally in the wild if it's available, giving it to your plant manually stimulates extra production which gets us more bud in the end, more roots more fruits.

Just because YOU have never needed/successfully used rooting hormones doesn't mean others do. You can literally go do a side by side comparison of two clones under the same conditions just let your variable be the root booster. If plant A receives root booster and plant B doesn't, Plant A is going to have the better roots. It's just common sense dude.

They aren't a scam, they aren't a waste, you're just wrong.
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Sounds like you need to learn the difference between hormones and nutrients...

Rooting NUTRIENTS are the topic of dicussion here.Specially in flower..do you use your fucking clonex in flower?...stop being obtuse and read the fucking thread.
 
Cyrus420

Cyrus420

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Resinhound said:
Sounds like you need to learn the difference between hormones and nutrients...

Rooting NUTRIENTS are the topic of dicussion here.Specially in flower..do you use your fucking clonex in flower?...stop being obtuse and read the fucking thread.
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Hormones are for cuttings nutrients are for growing plants, I get that.

You said: "Rooting nutrients are generally a sham and a marketing ploy."

You've still yet to explain exactly why they are a sham and marketing ploy.

And nothing that I said is wrong, rooting nutrients are good for your plants roots when applied properly.

You're getting on here making this claim that root nutrients are bullshit...when they aren't. People aren't selling you snake oil on this I promise you.
 
Resinhound

Resinhound

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Cyrus420 said:
Hormones are for cuttings nutrients are for growing plants, I get that.

You said: "Rooting nutrients are generally a sham and a marketing ploy."

You've still yet to explain exactly why they are a sham and marketing ploy.

And nothing that I said is wrong, rooting nutrients are good for your plants roots when applied properly. Get off your high horse and actually discuss this with me instead of just doing the internet equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going "Nuh uh I'm not listening to you you're stupid learn to read blah blah blah."
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Discuss what? The fact that cannabis growers are the only ones pouring "root nutes" on their plants.Meanwhile mainstream commercial agriculture harvests crops in the tons yearly and some how they dont need "root nutes" .The sheer amount of bullshit the cannabis industry gets suckered into pouring on their plants is really ridiculous.Like I said,waste your money if you want..the nutrient manufacturers are banking on it.
 
Cyrus420

Cyrus420

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Resinhound said:
Discuss what? The fact that cannabis growers are the only ones pouring "root nutes" on their plants.Meanwhile mainstream commercial agriculture harvests crops in the tons yearly and some how they dont need "root nutes" .The sheer amount of bullshit the cannabis industry gets suckered into pouring on their plants is really ridiculous.Like I said,waste your money if you want..the nutrient manufacturers are banking on it.
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If you had the same amount of farm space that commercial farmers have you too could grow tons of pot without using root nutrients that is true,

you're right in that regard but to the average indoor grower, meaning most of us on this website, have much to benefit from root nutrients that help roots grow bigger and stronger,

especially in soil-less mediums like coco coir.
 
Resinhound

Resinhound

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Cyrus420 said:
If you had the same amount of farm space that commercial farmers have you too could grow tons of pot without using root nutrients that is true,

you're right in that regard but to the average indoor grower, meaning most of us on this website, have much to benefit from root nutrients that help roots grow bigger and stronger,

especially in soil-less mediums like coco coir.
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Ya because coco is such a tough medium to root in.Better go rush out and buy some root nutes before ya plant in that stuff...come on man...

You are growing in containers,are you not filling your pots with roots by harvest? My pots are solid with roots by harvest? I give my plants root nutes too...its called phosphorus and its in my plant food.I like that,because then I dont need to spend $30 a qt on some bullshit and phosphorus.
 
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Psyphish

Psyphish

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The best roots I've had were with base nutrients and no rooting additives. I honestly haven't noticed any difference with any of the root products I've tried (AN, Growth Technology, BioBizz, General Organics).
 
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