Do Not Vote For Legalization Or You Are Stupid

420ever

420ever

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why would you not want to legalize it? think about it buy pot smoke it outside in the open freely, sounds pretty fucking awesome to fuck the rest of the economy i want to smoke my pot or grow it if i choose without worrying about being busted, on top of that you know if the gov. is goin to regulate to sell its not going to be some potent ass bud so the need for good ass dank is still gonna be there for all the dealers
 
Katatawnic

Katatawnic

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Dan Kone said:
I'm going to have to agree with that. Growing and selling weed is honest work. It only gets shady because it's illegal.

Having it become legal may lose you money but might save your freedom. Which is more important to you?

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For all those people out there who think if it's legal big business will take over and there will no longer be a place for them in the business:

You're right. If you have that kind of attitude it'll be a self fulfilling prophecy. You have to find a way to make it happen for yourself. If you just give up and accept that you're going to be screwed you will every time. While you guys are doing that I'm going to keep preparing for my own place in the legal cannabis business.
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Couldn't have said it better myself! :clap:
 
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Dingus Con

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"...stores would close down, go out of business, people would go into debt.." Like they haven't already? "CHAOS!!!" i thought 2012 was the new Y2K, not medical marijuana. Ridiculous. "US continues to flourish like it does today..." really? flourish? really though? a bad choice of words maybe. im not sold by your statements. lol. competing with store-bought, pre-rolled dubes? you growers better get rolling if you want my bizz....
 
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Lucius Vorenus

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Definately vote for LEGALIZATION, if thats not on the ballot then Decriminalization.

Like someon said previously, the benefits of legalization far outweigh any negative. The only negative would be for all the dispensaries that would go out of business.
 
Katatawnic

Katatawnic

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I doubt the dispensaries that go with the flow of the changes (including keeping prices competitive, of course) would go out of business. I see that they'd be of just as much (if not even more) benefit to medical users who are unable to grow their own for whatever reason, because quality is much more important for medical treatment than it is for recreational use. We know that large companies putting out packs of pre-rolled joints won't have any more TLC (that's Tender Loving Care, not THC ;)) than large black market commercial ops do - and likely much less - whereas small personal growers and dispensary growers put all the TLC they can into their plants and then some.

Even if legalizing would eventually mean that buying pot at corner stores doesn't cost me any more than it does to grow my own, I'll still continue my gardening until my body gives out and won't allow me to do it anymore, and then I'll turn my grows over to my son... because I not only want, but need, to be guaranteed of the utmost quality for my daily pain management. I won't rely on big companies willing to forsake quality for quantity, and neither will the majority of medical users.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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Lucius Vorenus said:
The only negative would be for all the dispensaries that would go out of business.
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I'm not so sure about that. They'd be able to open their doors to the general public and benefit from the increased business.

They'll have a huge head start on anyone trying to move in on them since they already have their infrastructure in place and big businesses trying to move in on them will be starting from scratch.

I think it's more likely that the dispensaries become those big businesses. I see them as the biggest benefactors of legalization.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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Katatawnic said:
Even if legalizing would eventually mean that buying pot at corner stores doesn't cost me any more than it does to grow my own,
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I don't think it will. It won't at first for sure. The way the California legalization bills are all structured cannabis will still be available at dispensaries only. The difference being those dispensaries would now be open to non-medical users.
 
hightyde27

hightyde27

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It's not that hard, on a public forum, to start a misinformation campaign. I'll look into it because I think it's worth finding out whether you're being truthful or not, or some clever cop on his day off trying to confuse us dumb little stoners.
It is intriguing, tho. One of the last true American grass roots markets is going to be absorbed by the fed. I don't like the idea of the government doing anything inside our borders. piss off, I say.
 
Katatawnic

Katatawnic

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This is true, Dan. Despite my previous post, I can still see that sooner or later they'd become those big businesses. Their feet are already in the door.
 
ford442

ford442

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Dan Kone said:
I don't think it will. It won't at first for sure. The way the California legalization bills are all structured cannabis will still be available at dispensaries only. The difference being those dispensaries would now be open to non-medical users.
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I think you will be able to buy at normal stores, they will probably just need a license.. I have never heard that it would be limited to dispensaries..
 
Katatawnic

Katatawnic

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Dan Kone said:
I don't think it will. It won't at first for sure. The way the California legalization bills are all structured cannabis will still be available at dispensaries only. The difference being those dispensaries would now be open to non-medical users.
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I know I didn't clarify well enough in my post, so I will now... that was only an "if" situation, used for comparison RE: cost vs. quality, etc. ;)

hightyde27 said:
It's not that hard, on a public forum, to start a misinformation campaign. I'll look into it because I think it's worth finding out whether you're being truthful or not, or some clever cop on his day off trying to confuse us dumb little stoners.
It is intriguing, tho. One of the last true American grass roots markets is going to be absorbed by the fed. I don't like the idea of the government doing anything inside our borders. piss off, I say.
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Do you think the gov't isn't already "doing anything inside our borders" about this? I'd rather see them working with us (even if it's only partially to our satisfaction) than against us.

BTW, most cops would rather not have to deal with us dumb little stoners at all. I was raised by cops, my brothers-in-law are cops, I've known several more cops personally throughout my life. None of them care much about pot at all, and when they're off duty you can light up right in front of them and they don't bat an eyelash. Most cops have this attitude about pot, and they'd be happier not to have to deal with prohibition B.S. when they could instead be focusing on rapes, murders, etc. You know, the real dangers to our society. ;) (Barring DEA and "specialized" areas of law enforcement, as well as a few local "gung ho" cops; but they're still the minority.)
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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Katatawnic said:
I haven't heard that either, Ford. That part did throw me a bit.
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The bill was written by a dispensary owner. It's to be expected that he protects his own interests.

I asked them if this bill meant that cannabis could be sold at pharmacies/liquor stores and he said "no, it keeps the dispensary model in place and will only be available at dispensaries."

It also changes dispensaries allowing consumption on the premises including possible on site food preparation and consumption (possibly including restaurants with cannabis food inside dispensaries).
 
ford442

ford442

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ok - i think we are talking about two different things - AB390 was started by S.F. councilman Tom Ammiano and is for full legalization, taxation, regulation and education for cannabis.. There are three voter initiatives that do similar things..
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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ford442 said:
ok - i think we are talking about two different things - AB390 was started by S.F. councilman Tom Ammiano and is for full legalization, taxation, regulation and education for cannabis.. There are three voter initiatives that do similar things..
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AB390 and Tax and Regulate Cannabis 2010 are virtually the same as far as I can tell. According to the newscast I saw, Ammiano does not plan to reintroduce AB390 until after the November elections.

There were 3 voter initiatives, but it looks like Tax and Regulate is the only one that will be on the ballot.
 
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Star7827

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Brody.Will.Grow.Thee said:
we should not legalize it, then have everyone who smokes be open and casual about it. they cant arrest all of us!!
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I compleatly agree, if they give me the chance to vote on it i will marijuana should be legal and for those of you that say it shouldent because your gonna loose a buck, get over and get a real job until then be happy with what ya got.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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Star7827 said:
get a real job until then be happy with what ya got.
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Growing marijuana can be a real job. People are just concerned that they will lose that job if it's legalized. It's an understandable concern to an extent.

But legalization is the right thing to do, so I'm in favor of it despite it possibly being against my own financial interests.
 
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jonbobsmith

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if you did watch the union then you should know exactly why decriminalization is stupid and doesnt do anything.
if you are going to be against mmj, be against because it will forever label marijuana as a drug, not as a plant and an herb like it actually is.
businesses will not go into "CHAOS" because that money that they make will still come in. we will always need growers and if it becomes a corporation thing, then we will need a whole new company and that will create un-heard of revenue.
you are the stupid one.
 
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