Do Not Vote For Legalization Or You Are Stupid

Resinator420 said:

If they were to legilize marijuana in the US ( that is were im talking about) The government would be creating a new REGULATED market. This means that you would be able to go to the gas station, or coffea shop or whatever and buy pot like beer. WHO CAN COMPETE WITH PERFECTLY ROLLD UP DOOBYS OF THE BEST SHIT???? CAN YOU???...... didnt thiknk so.....anyways back on track.

Right now about 80% of the cash earned by businesses in the US from retail sales comes from money that came from marijuana in one way or another. legilize it and about 90% of that money would dissapear meaning stores would close down, go out of business, people would go into debt, CHAOS.

Marijuana creates one of the biggest unregulated markets in the country with some 55MILLION people involved including people liek me and you. In a sense marijuana feuls america everyday. what do marijuana dealers do with the money they make???? THEY BUY SHIT, RANDOM SHIT CARS, BOATS, HOUSES, STOCKS, INVESTMENT, AND EVERYDAY THINGS FOOD, CLOTHS, GAS, HEALTH CARE PRODUCTS!! take this money, or market away from america and I think 60% of businesses would SIVEARLY suffer or all together shutdown. Alot of people would go crazy.

Decriminalization is a drastically different approach. If it were ever to happen, then think about it "all the users of your site could continue what they do everyday" the US continues to flourish like it does today except on average 185,000 people every year would be spared from jail, and we would save enough money from not having to house, feed, and jail these "criminals" (pot smokers, sellers) to bring our country out of this recession. Not to mention the millions we would save every year going after "weed criminals"

There would be millions and billions of dollars to spair for our coutry to use for valuable resources such as healthcare, military, and police for the REAL DRUGS cocaine, heroin, ect.

SO VOTE FOR DECRIMINALIZATION

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And all those poor people could jump on the marijuana bandwagon. You think they are going to have huge farms of high grade bud? No. It's still gonna be a little guys buisiness. The best bud comes from people who love and care for there plants.
Not commercial farms.

LEGALIZE IT!!! For one it should be legal because people should be free to grow and or use it as it hurts no one in the process of doing so and people should not be told what the fuck to do with there own lives. Even if it was a financial matter which it isn't It would be corrupt and immoral, unfair and unjust to keep it illegal just for the sake of some greedy assholes. Our world monetary system is a huge fucking scam anyways but i wont even get in to that as it strays a bit from the subject (don't get me wrong i do believe in a fair economy that's not meant to enslave) My opinion is that if it where legal the market probably wouldn't change to much. If you had a clue about what goes into manufacturing this amazing product and what goes into running a good business you'd probably have a similar opinion. In my quest to become rich... when i figured out there was more important things then money. Like respect, honer, fairness, loyalty, determination, understanding...that's when it happend... focussing on all the unmaterialistic things is what finally brought me more wealth then what i could ever imagine prior to my shift in conciseness.

Resinator420 said:

If they were to legilize marijuana in the US ( that is were im talking about) The government would be creating a new REGULATED market. This means that you would be able to go to the gas station, or coffea shop or whatever and buy pot like beer. WHO CAN COMPETE WITH PERFECTLY ROLLD UP DOOBYS OF THE BEST SHIT???? CAN YOU???...... didnt thiknk so.....anyways back on track.

Right now about 80% of the cash earned by businesses in the US from retail sales comes from money that came from marijuana in one way or another. legilize it and about 90% of that money would dissapear meaning stores would close down, go out of business, people would go into debt, CHAOS.

Marijuana creates one of the biggest unregulated markets in the country with some 55MILLION people involved including people liek me and you. In a sense marijuana feuls america everyday. what do marijuana dealers do with the money they make???? THEY BUY SHIT, RANDOM SHIT CARS, BOATS, HOUSES, STOCKS, INVESTMENT, AND EVERYDAY THINGS FOOD, CLOTHS, GAS, HEALTH CARE PRODUCTS!! take this money, or market away from america and I think 60% of businesses would SIVEARLY suffer or all together shutdown. Alot of people would go crazy.

Decriminalization is a drastically different approach. If it were ever to happen, then think about it "all the users of your site could continue what they do everyday" the US continues to flourish like it does today except on average 185,000 people every year would be spared from jail, and we would save enough money from not having to house, feed, and jail these "criminals" (pot smokers, sellers) to bring our country out of this recession. Not to mention the millions we would save every year going after "weed criminals"

There would be millions and billions of dollars to spair for our coutry to use for valuable resources such as healthcare, military, and police for the REAL DRUGS cocaine, heroin, ect.

SO VOTE FOR DECRIMINALIZATION

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Decrim is great, but it sounds like you probably have a good little cash crop going and you feel that may be threatened, and that all the people you charge full street price will go somewhere else and you'll have to get a real job.

I'll vote to legalize it.

Punk said:

Decrim is great, but it sounds like you probably have a good little cash crop going and you feel that may be threatened, and that all the people you charge full street price will go somewhere else and you'll have to get a real job.

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Why is growing weed not honest work?

I totally agree that people shouldn't let their own greed come before ending prohibition for EVERYONE, but don't knock people for growing for a living. (probably the wrong forums to be doing that)

i don't think the government will grow good smoke. 2nd- they will take over the pot industry and grow shwag and sell it for way more then it's worth. 3rd they will not let you grow your own. then if you bitch about it they will tell you to shut up at least it is legal. so go ahead and legalize it see what happens.

Free the herb..!!!Thats all I have to say...

just remember, if it were legalized, and taxed, why does EVERYONE asume that the results would therefore be the government growing it and noone else? like they do with tobacco, wine, spirits, beer etc?

like with most, i'd just like to see it decriminalised

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8358998.stm

"Harry Potter actor Daniel Radcliffe has "categorically" denied newspaper allegations that he was photographed smoking cannabis"

who the bajeeeezus cares if he got photographed smoking a joint! you should not feel so ashamed that you have to catagorically deny it, or for it to be sucha public no-no for him to have to deny like that, it should just be a smoke like any other smoke, hell, i smoke a ciggy at work now and then and that will get me frazzled, like very high! it amuses me as i know i'm completely in the clear.

either way people will continue to grow there own

true people will still just grow their own... my grandparents used to make their own wine and beer... i asked them why they didnt sell it... they said because selling it would be illegal, but they do have "beer and wine tasting" parties... everyone comes over and tries each others shit out... granted every sample i have ever tried of theirs is a 1000 times better than anything store bought, including jalapeno beer, they just dont have the title and tax liscenses to sell it... i see this is the way weed will be one day... you can by shitty store bought shit, or you can have the option to grow your own and consume it by yourself... or have "bud tasting" parties...lol... growers will grow because they love to grow... the only thing legalization will do is make it alot easier for growers to grow... imho, it wouldnt be a bad thing at all... i would grow all season long and possibly not have to grow for a couple of years depending on how much i yeild... but with outdoor, a person can grow alot... if we each had like a 10 plant limit that would be perfect for personal consumption... i dunno, i do live in the bible belt and it sux thinking i could lose everything for my lil micro grows... which is ridiculous.. i am obviously not growing to sell, but it is just as illegal as a 3 pound plant...

Dan Kone said:

Well you're paying too much just FYI. AAA grade shouldn't cost 50 an 1/8 if you're buying by the z.

Probably $150 + $50 tax, so around $200. I would offer that deal tomorrow if it were made legal. Shit I give it to the clubs at $200-225/oz now, they then sell it for 50-65 per 1/8. That's a 100% markup right there. That kind of markup doesn't happen with 100% legal products.

Getting $150 a z still gives plenty of profit to the grower and considering the reduced risk, I doubt a lot of people would complain.

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First off, an OZ at $50 per 1/8th is $400 (50 x 8 = 400). If you sell to the clubs you might want to bring a calculator.

Secondly in CO a quarter bag of decent shit will cost you $120 to $130 at the dispensory. You can still get other stuff for as low as $80 per quarter, but don't expect it to be cured properly, you'll have to pay $120 minimum for anything that's worth anything. Unless you have a good caregiver who grows and can sell direct to you, but why would a grower want to run around & deliver bags when they can just make one trip to the dispensory every 2 months and sell everything they got?

Thirdly independent retailers always shoot for a 100% profit, it's called "Keystoning your money" in industry terms. Big chains will go as low as 41% (41% of retail price is profit) this is also called 41 points on the profit margin. Walgreens will go as low as 41% to give you an example of the size that the chain has to be to take a smaller profit, but Walgreens will only go that low on good selling stuff like Webkinz or that stupid robotic hamster that's selling like crazy right now. Wal-Mart produces their own gas, ships their own merchandise, and when possible they have their own products made by their own factories in Asia all to try to get their profit as high as possible, they're making as high as 75% on some of their merchandise that they make & ship themselves. I know all this because this was my chosen profession before a health problem caused me to retire.

Just wanted to correct some bad info being given out.

Resinator420 said:

If they were to legilize marijuana in the US ( that is were im talking about) The government would be creating a new REGULATED market. This means that you would be able to go to the gas station, or coffea shop or whatever and buy pot like beer. WHO CAN COMPETE WITH PERFECTLY ROLLD UP DOOBYS OF THE BEST SHIT???? CAN YOU???...... didnt thiknk so.....anyways back on track.

Right now about 80% of the cash earned by businesses in the US from retail sales comes from money that came from marijuana in one way or another. legilize it and about 90% of that money would dissapear meaning stores would close down, go out of business, people would go into debt, CHAOS.

Marijuana creates one of the biggest unregulated markets in the country with some 55MILLION people involved including people liek me and you. In a sense marijuana feuls america everyday. what do marijuana dealers do with the money they make???? THEY BUY SHIT, RANDOM SHIT CARS, BOATS, HOUSES, STOCKS, INVESTMENT, AND EVERYDAY THINGS FOOD, CLOTHS, GAS, HEALTH CARE PRODUCTS!! take this money, or market away from america and I think 60% of businesses would SIVEARLY suffer or all together shutdown. Alot of people would go crazy.

Decriminalization is a drastically different approach. If it were ever to happen, then think about it "all the users of your site could continue what they do everyday" the US continues to flourish like it does today except on average 185,000 people every year would be spared from jail, and we would save enough money from not having to house, feed, and jail these "criminals" (pot smokers, sellers) to bring our country out of this recession. Not to mention the millions we would save every year going after "weed criminals"

There would be millions and billions of dollars to spair for our coutry to use for valuable resources such as healthcare, military, and police for the REAL DRUGS cocaine, heroin, ect.

SO VOTE FOR DECRIMINALIZATION

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For a minute I couldn't tell if you were against legalization or not, then I realized that you're talking about legalization vs. decriminalization........ I think. Before I get to that I have to clear up some misinformation.

Currently it's not regulated in CO, but a politician is trying to "privatize" it so only one company can grow it and only pharmacies could sell it, and only if you have a prescription. I don't think we have to worry about seeing it in gas stations for a very long time. I don't think the politician is going to succeed (thank god) because the whole thing is still too contraversial.

Also, if you're growing for quality then you're giving up yield. The plant has to use more energy to create trics & resin for the quality to increase. More energy for that means less energy for growth. So anyone that just grows for the biggest yeild will never have the best stuff. And any commercial grower with stockholders to answer to is going to grow for max yield.

If you looked at all the drugs being sold in the US, Marijuana wouldn't come close to being 80% of the total drugs. That 80% estimate of yours is just so far out of wack I don't know quiet what to say, but the ammount of money being spent at retail stores is likely to be closer to 8% than 80%.

The govt. will only regulate it if we allow them to. I mean they still haven't regulated credit cards. And even if they do regulate C/Cs (being done now) they're only regulating the retail end, not the end that the retailers deal with (bus banking end). So I don't know how you can assume that they're going to be successful in getting this regulated. That being said, I think that legal growers should definately start a union & get a lobbyist in WA to make sure it never gets regulated in a way that would cut out the smaller growers just in case.

As far as legalization vs decriminalization, the last thing this effort needs is confusion over semantics. Those 2 words mean the same thing to me, and if you look them up in the dictionary I'm sure they have almost identical meanings.

It's this simple, when it's legalized it has to be done correctly or all the small growers will be left out in the cold, and with unemployment where it is, this would not be a good thing.

Don't let politicians get you bogged down in semantics everyone, it's been a real favorite of our politicians lately (enhanced interrogation techniques = torture, freedom fries = dam, the french were right again, I'm the decider = I'm not bipartisan, Flip Flopper = I'm looking for the most effective sound bite).

I even spoke to someone the other day that spent 15 minutes explaining why Obama is like a nazi and then stated that he thinks all muslims should be rounded up and put into concentration camps. I'm not trying to be political, but that's a good example of how words seem to loose meaning with enough spinning & semantics, even a word like nazi. Don't let the politicians do it to us and this movement.

Resinator420 said:

I suggest a movie called the union if your really into the subject like me its awsome and itll make understand why im trying soo hard to convince people why im soooo for the decrim..


Your a smart man philo2

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If you liked that movie you should check out Reefor Madness. lmao

An old time favorite of politicians, using movies to spread bad info. Put a rumor in a movie and it becomes fact to many people especially if you make a documentary. Think for yourself man, don't let someone else do your thinking for you.

DannyGreenEyes said:

First off, an OZ at $50 per 1/8th is $400 (50 x 8 = 400). If you sell to the clubs you might want to bring a calculator.

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That's exactly what I said. I think you misunderstood something there.

DannyGreenEyes said:

Secondly in CO a quarter bag of decent shit will cost you $120 to $130 at the dispensory.

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Sorry bro. Hopefully that changes for you once you guys get more dispensaries.

DannyGreenEyes said:

but why would a grower want to run around & deliver bags when they can just make one trip to the dispensory every 2 months and sell everything they got?

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I agree. But it sounds like those clubs are making an insane profit.

DannyGreenEyes said:

Thirdly independent retailers always shoot for a 100% profit,

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If they are selling $120 quarters, they are most likely making more than 100% profit on those.

Dan Kone said:

That's exactly what I said. I think you misunderstood something there.



Sorry bro. Hopefully that changes for you once you guys get more dispensaries.



I agree. But it sounds like those clubs are making an insane profit.



If they are selling $120 quarters, they are most likely making more than 100% profit on those.

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Darn, you know how to use this thing better than me, I'll have to learn how to do that. lol

Sorry, that first one was my bad, I'm still not use to people using the 1/8 measurements, I thought you had said $50 a 1/4.

There are plenty of dispensories and more are opening evey day, by more retail minded people. The better your stuff the more they'll pay. I won't know for 100% sure till my first harvest, but they're probably paying out around 60% to 65% on the $120-$130 stuff giving the retailer a 35% to 40% profit. They make 100% on anything they grow themselves of course, but they're limited to a certain number of plants too so they're always in need and often desperate for good stuff. If they run out of good stuff too often, they might stop seeing customers all together.

If I grow decent stuff (top grade but not super top grade) I can sell it for $60 to $65 a qtr to the dispensories (possibly as much as $85, but I like to be conservative when estimating income). The same stuff I could sell to a patient for $100, but they're always going to expect a discount not to mention samples & 24hr delivery & credit, etc.... It's just not worth it. And anything in public here is still illegal so selling in clubs wouldn't be smart. And I have to keep a copy of the license of everyone I sell to, another headache. The headaches just don't stop, so I'm just gonna take my $60 or $65 and be happy. That's still over $4k a lb. Licensed friends I'll make an acception for, but that's it.

On the markup, I don't think you understand. The owners of these dispensories have little to no experience with anything more than smoking the occasional doobie. These guys are strait up businessmen and to them a 100% profit is too good to be true. Do you honestly think that making 100% on your money in 24 hours in the stock market is considered an average day?

They probably make more on the cheap stuff ($80 a qtr) but the better the stuff, the more demand they'll be for it, that's why they'll pay more. We went over this already, I don't want to repeat myself. But I worked for a Walgreens vendor, Wal-Mart vendor, and I had my own wholesale company for 7 years, you can trust me on what I'm saying. (I've also done research into this particular market)

Just trust me on this, when they legalize it for medicine, as long as it's not relulated improperly, it's good for the business community (owners), the people knowledgeable about the subject (or willing to learn) (growers), for the smoker, for the city, and even for good old uncle Sam. They know they're gonna get they're taxes cause it's still a fed charge. So last thing you want is a bunch of feds sniffing around about your taxes. lol

DannyGreenEyes said:

Darn, you know how to use this thing better than me, I'll have to learn how to do that. lol

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Clearly you aren't as big of a nerd as I am. You'll get there one day!

DannyGreenEyes said:

I won't know for 100% sure till my first harvest, but they're probably paying out around 60% to 65% on the $120-$130 stuff giving the retailer a 35% to 40% profit. They make 100% on anything they grow themselves of course, but they're limited to a certain number of plants too so they're always in need and often desperate for good stuff. If they run out of good stuff too often, they might stop seeing customers all together.

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Here they buy pounds for $2800-3600 (for the good stuff) and sell it for about 50-55 an 1/8. So they are basically doubling their money on every pound they buy. Nice work if you can get it!

DannyGreenEyes said:

If I grow decent stuff (top grade but not super top grade) I can sell it for $60 to $65 a qtr to the dispensories (possibly as much as $85, but I like to be conservative when estimating income). The same stuff I could sell to a patient for $100, but they're always going to expect a discount not to mention samples & 24hr delivery & credit, etc.... It's just not worth it. And anything in public here is still illegal so selling in clubs wouldn't be smart. And I have to keep a copy of the license of everyone I sell to, another headache. The headaches just don't stop, so I'm just gonna take my $60 or $65 and be happy. That's still over $4k a lb. Licensed friends I'll make an acception for, but that's it.

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Wow! I should go there! No one is getting 4k a pound up here anymore.

DannyGreenEyes said:

On the markup, I don't think you understand. The owners of these dispensories have little to no experience with anything more than smoking the occasional doobie. These guys are strait up businessmen and to them a 100% profit is too good to be true. Do you honestly think that making 100% on your money in 24 hours in the stock market is considered an average day?

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Oh I understand. They are making serious bank. They had considerable risk before 2009. Now they are still raking it in, with little risk.

DannyGreenEyes said:

Just trust me on this, when they legalize it for medicine, as long as it's not relulated improperly, it's good for the business community (owners), the people knowledgeable about the subject (or willing to learn) (growers), for the smoker, for the city, and even for good old uncle Sam. They know they're gonna get they're taxes cause it's still a fed charge. So last thing you want is a bunch of feds sniffing around about your taxes. lol

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Well said. I couldn't agree more.

i think i will fall into the growers category... what about growing for yourself? i guess some people do have the opportunity to "legally" sell it, but i dunno.. i guess since i dont have that opportunity, i cant really get biased at all on the subject matter, but i know that if my state goes medicinal, i will sell for no one and smoke for myself every muh fuccin day... until maybe i could "legally" sell it...

micro.grower said:

i think i will fall into the growers category... what about growing for yourself?

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In the 2010 tax and regulate bill it is legal for anyone to grow a 5x5 tray.

Dan Kone said:

Clearly you aren't as big of a nerd as I am. You'll get there one day!



Here they buy pounds for $2800-3600 (for the good stuff) and sell it for about 50-55 an 1/8. So they are basically doubling their money on every pound they buy. Nice work if you can get it!



Wow! I should go there! No one is getting 4k a pound up here anymore.



Oh I understand. They are making serious bank. They had considerable risk before 2009. Now they are still raking it in, with little risk.



Well said. I couldn't agree more.

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One other thing I forgot to mention, the dispensories are getting more business than any dealer that I've ever known. When I picked up the clones from Very Best Medicine I was there for half an hour and all 3 of their counters were busy the whole time. If I had to guess at how much MJ they were moving I'd have to say no less than 10 lbs per day.

Hope that helps everything else make sense.

P.S. I'm kind of a nerd too, I just haven't had the time to learn this thing completely. Right now I'm trying to save 2 very sick AK47s, then I have to rearrange the room a little, then I have to get a humidifier, etc.... It never ends does it. lol

micro.grower said:

i think i will fall into the growers category... what about growing for yourself? i guess some people do have the opportunity to "legally" sell it, but i dunno.. i guess since i dont have that opportunity, i cant really get biased at all on the subject matter, but i know that if my state goes medicinal, i will sell for no one and smoke for myself every muh fuccin day... until maybe i could "legally" sell it...

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I can't speak for other states, but in CO license holders are allowed to grow 6 plants unless they sign that right away. So anyone can grow their own if they want.

Most don't grow their own because of the required investment in their money & time. And if you want to become a grower all you have to do is get some people to sign their 6 plants over to you to grow, or they can also go to a Dr. and have the prescription (plant limit) increased.

Anyone with an MJ license can sell to a dispensory, but the dispensory has to pick it up because unless you have a dispensory license you're only allowed to transport 2oz at a time.

Dan Kone said:

In the 2010 tax and regulate bill it is legal for anyone to grow a 5x5 tray.

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I assume by the date that this is a proposed bill that hasn't been voted on yet. Do you know if it's a federal bill or one just local to your state?