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HGK420 said:

ya prune the top part not the bottom part yet. if you do it right you won't have to clean up any underbuds.

depends on strain too.

but ya i usually take the fan leaves out when i get 8 levels of nodes. or 16 nodes total. i will top it and remove ALL generation 1 fan leaves. I've done this with tons of strains and some take a day or 2 to recover but most dontr really mind and start getting fat the next day!

the LA dom phenos i got respond to this a little tricky because they will throw you so many tops in a very small area with HUGE fan leaves. just gotta keep pruning.

as an experiment i took off 95% of the fan leaves on a plant. pretty much every leaf that wasn't halfway in a bud. i did this at 2 weeks in flower and the plant did fine. she was making new leaves and stretching other leaves to fill in all the spots if she needed too but basically i got an even yield over the whole plant. from cola to underbuds they were all well developed

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I find it interesting that there was no negative effects from pulling so many leaves. As I understand it, the leaves are both the lungs and solar panels to a plant. We spend so much time amping up the wattage, lumens, hang mylar, fim, lst, and top to get more light to the plant......to take off the receptors....leaves....for what gain I don't know....doesn't make sense to me.

Even the last days of flower, the plant is sucking up and using a ton of energy. Choking that off seems counter-productive.

does it make sense to have 7 GIANT solar panels that only feed electricity to the lights on your roof or 1300 little solar panels all over the place that bring electricity everywhere and they can only get light when the 7 GIANT ones are out of the way.

i feed 2 types of broken down sugars already too. il do a side by side as soon as i have 2 plants the same. they are all different seeds at the moment and that would defeat the purpose.

I'm sure its having some sort of effect on it. theres no doubt. what that effect is i have no idea. plant still yielded good. in fact i they yield better.

meds are still top quality too.

I've been following the some-times controversial "Uncle Ben" and he points to the health of the leaves as a first priority and the bud's health will follow instead of focusing on the buds over leaves.

My first grow I pruned the crap out of my plants (among many other mistakes) and they suffered the noobie's curse. My second grow I only pulled the leaves that turned yellow (and made fewer mistakes) and the plants were much healthier and a better yield. Ditto for my third and fourth grows.

ya cause uncle ben knows everything...

some strains what you describe is the perfect way to do it. i got a boss hogg that i just pull the leave as they start to fade. others not so much. Sour secret or kaia kush will both yield you less then an ounce of some airy bull shit undeveloped bud and 1 or 2 cola golf balls if you don't prune the shit out of them.

its just common sense. look at your plant and ask yourself if its getting complete light coverage.

most people will prune the entire bottom of the plant up to where the top leaves are and leave all them in tact.

thats backwards.

prune the fan leaves down and leave big ole spears of branches and smaller leaves jutting out to the light and leave a nest of leaves around the base. even they should be getting good light. at this point if there is still underbuds that are not receiving full light then prune them right out like a scrog or whatever.

you can end up with some serious yields this way outa strains that don't wanna give it up.

my holy grail kush is one in the middle. it stretches nice so you don't really have to prune it much but it grows BIG OLE WIDE fat fan leaves that it will droop all over the place so you just gotta make a judgement call. if they look like they are being dicks and taking all the light then prune that bitch!

i will agree with him that the leaves health takes paramount.

its gotta be the right leaves tho too.

obviously the bud doesn't get harder cause it has direct contact with the light

its all the leaves attached to said bud that do the trick. getting the light onto all the smaller leaves works a lot better then leaving a few big ole fat leaves as long as they hold on for IMO.

Hgk is right imo. Smart defoliation is key to an all over better plant at harvest, vs a third of bud being aaa and the other 2 thirds being b grade. And harvesting in 2 stages is not only an ass pain and just not the same.... blah

I see it in a way, your pot size will support a limited amount of green veg above. R u trying to grow giant fan leaves? For your collection rather have the buds swell to fill the space. Get some light and mature properly. Rather have bigger sugar leaves and buds than fan leaves.

Food for thought I aint jesus, just reporting my findings...

I often think about the outdoor growers when coming to a conclusion about growing techniques. They have very little control over many aspects that indoor growers have, they have the sun, soil, water, and limited added nutrients.



Do they go around and yank the big fan leaves off their plants? Some may, but from all the bud porn I've looked at, outdoor growers pretty much leave the leaves alone......and walk away with massive plants and big yields.

I'm of the thought process that the plant knows much more about growing big and healthy than I do. My job is to give enough light, nutrients, water, and to keep bugs away. If the plant felt that it needed a leaf here or there, it grew one for a reason.

My answer to the leaves not getting enough light is to add additional side-lighting, do some smart topping, and spread the branches as needed.

I realize that everyone grows differently, and obviously there's no one right answer. I also realize that there's a ton of stuff I still have to learn, and that's why I read this thread and many other's before I come up with "my way" of growing. I may feel totally different a year from now about this entire leaf debate.

no way man. 20 pound outdoor plants are only attainable by pruning the shit out of your plant. growth hormone is strong up to the 3rd generation of branches make sure they are your terminals. you say "Smart topping" Whats that supposed to mean?

its as simple as just making sure your plant looks/feels right. pruning near 100% of the first generation leaves and however many of the 2nd generation (theres about 10x more generation 2 leaves than generation 1) and your yield will go up by a long shot i promise.4

I'm of the thought process that its a plant that doesn't actually think about anything but if its got water and if the lights are on or not. I do the rest of the thinking for it.

if your plant WANTED its fan leaves removed do you just assume it would kill off its upper fan leaves so the ones below will get light? man i wish it was that easy.

and your correct everyone grows differently. some people listen to what they read and others keep trying stuff until they get the best results they can.

don't ever take anyone on lines word for anything ever. not subcool not uncle ben not the rev and certainly not me.

if what you read sparks an interest then go try it out and see for yourself. have you ever straight up killed a plant cause what you did was so radical yet? if not go do it. find that line. its a must to know how hard you can push.

I'm getting ready to grow a plant with my newborns formula. thats gonna blow some minds i bet. its got almost everything your plants need in it. even aminos and shit.

Basically i came to the pruning technique i use by over pruning / under pruning so many plants. there still is no perfect level of pruning to shoot for. its a very loose science. just try to make sure the most of your plant is getting light exposure as possible and you will be happy

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• "I'm of the thought process that its a plant that doesn't actually think about anything but if its got water and if the lights are on or not. I do the rest of the thinking for it."
  
  I must have smarter plants than you do
  
  I mentioned "smart topping" only because I've done it wrong several times...wrong as in they didn't turn out they way I envisioned....AKA "dumb topping". My plants don't always agree with my views on how they should grow.
  
  I agree that I and everyone else shouldn't take another's views as gospel. I'm on my fifth grow and each time I start a new plant, I try another growing technique. Uncle Ben's is just another concept that I'm trying out. I'm also trying out Miracle Grow, and am finding that all the nay-sayers out there regarding this soil either have never tried it, or have added nutrients to an already nutrient-rich soil.....as mine is growing like a weed.
  
  My last grow I compared topped vs. non-topped, and the grow before that I compared two different brands of nutrients. I've also experimented with HPS vs. MH and T5's.
  
  Today I installed light-movers and will be running dual spectrum's with MH and HPS roving across my grow room.
  
  I never indicated that you were wrong in your approach, but what you do is the opposite of what I've been reading and doing. I have a couple of Mataro' Blue seedlings that I'm trying to decide how to compare growing methods, and may consider your pruning technique to one of them.
  
  
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see thats the bummer with seedlings tho too is that each one is different so you really can't ever test it until you got clones side by side.

miracle grow will grow you some fire. i worked at a grow shop for many moons and met every kinda grower there was. i knew a guy who was about to die of some crazy brain tumor that was so smart it was scary. I'm pretty stupid but i can usually hold my own in conversation. not this guy. speaking a whole different language. pretty sure its cause he knew he had short time and was just cutting through the BS. any way this guy grew some pretty fuckin great pot. but it wasn't any better then the guy who grew it in totes with black dirt, perlite and miracle grow from the hardware store. (tho I've had some terrible miracle grow buds, amazing is still possible)

just gotta find the right combination of genetics, atmosphere, food, environment, care, and energy. thats all it really is. just guessing and checking til something comes out good.

uncle ben definitely knows more then most too i didn't mean for that to come off as a shot at him or anything.

i normally wait for 7-8 levels of nodes to do my topping but i got a batch in 3 gallon bags right now that I'm gonna do at 5 levels just to save horizontal room.

im gonna document it all so you can see what i do early on too trigger the need for all the pruning. il be back in an hour or so with some photos

And here we go.



heres the beauties about to get hacked. all look great but the single HSO bubba kush. she's got attitude problems.

the runt in the middle got a stay of execution for a couple days.












annnnnd voila You have some pretty grumpy little girls with some nice crew cuts.

give em a couple weeks and they will grow into it nicely.

proceed to the flower room with caution. gonna need extra filtration for all the extra buds!

^ kinda makes for a neat slide show lol

Oh......I don't think I could hack my plants as such. Do you have any pics of these plants as adults?

i got some silver mountains that i did the same thing too a week or so ago. lemme take some

Heres the silver mountains




heres a bay dream i did it too thats in bloom now




the main stem stays short and i give em a couple weeks to get nice and lenky. if your good you can get the nodes to stack on the secondary branches really tight. see professorpotsnob's plants. genetics helps a lot too with stacking.

buts that what they turn into. 8-24 main tops with another 20-50 secondary tops that get just as dense as the main terminals.

I just took some lousy pictures of my current plants in 12/12. The Blue Hash is 2 weeks away from harvest, the Lemon Kush is 4 weeks away.

The Blue Hash has colas over 18" long. No popcorn buds. No leaves removed.



The Lemon OG Kush....two colas over 20" long, some popcorn buds though



I like your plants....I like my plants.

got some arms on those bad devils

I first want to say......I'm stoned.

Then after looking at those crummy pics of some nice looking plants, I decided to break out the good camera.

Tonights my first "lights on" with my light movers. One 400w HPS, and a 400 MH rotating over the plants....and it looks sorta cool in the photos:



I accidently did some super-cropping to the LK...there's two branches that over 47" long...while the rest of the plant is 30".....I attempted to just bend the tops over (they outgrew the lights), and one snapped. I managed to bend the other one without drama. Now I'm experimenting with super-cropping, and from what I can see, there's definitely something to this technique.

This was one of those "dumb toppings" as I lost control of the two branches.....they never stopped growing until the 5th week of 12/12.

Super cropping works well (both definitions of the word from my experience)

anyway back on topic lol

My grapeLA feels like a great big fail so far. its taking me down memory lane hand in hand with every bad pheno I've ever gotten.

YO SUB WTF MAN?? you let your pollen loose when you visited the DNA factory?

it for real smells like a bunch of losing TGA or GHS or even my terrible Tangerine nightmare.

shits junk

if it even remotely carriers any of the 5 similar flavors through the end il be PISSED.

Ive had some killer grapefruit crosses. looks like i missed that boat.

lame lame lame lame lame