DMT... aliens or god? What is the 'presence'

Timothy Leary at a time, was looking for the keys for eternal life with LSD and DMT. He claimed we can live forever and we don't have to die. He was going on about reversing the aging process both mentally and physically.

if your 'preloaded' mind believes in gods,well that's how you will explain things you don't know about..same with all religion throughout history 'how did you cure the infection?' 'God sent me a cure..a vision of fruit'...reality is you ate pennecillin..but have no way of knowing that's the cure,so to rationalize it,god is born..one reason beer is exhalted..it is the sustainer of life if you lived in the dark ages..you were not to drink water,just beer..for fear of dysentry..but no one knew boiling water killed the bacteria..but you gotta boil water for beer...so,in short,humanity has been fooling itself for ease of a reason/description since its dawn..can't figure it out,well,let's say god did it..its easier!..and as far as aliens,that's a modern day god/explanation...its dmt..you took a freaking drug people!..that's all I gots to say right now..

Your no fun rory , but yur probably right, lol

Hey man...ask what all the people have died since 911 think about religion...don't think its done much good for people in the long run,and def hasn't helped me on a dmt trip...and I'm lots of fun! Ask anyone.(not my ex tho,shell lie.)lol

And I meant died since 911 due to the 'patriotic war,ruled by opposing gods/religious beliefs'...were making no progress with religion in the mix..perhaps we should try reality..not here to argue with anyone..if you believe in something,then you have the right to..I'm expressing my right in the same manner I suppose...

I agree...

rory420420 said:

Hey man...ask what all the people have died since 911 think about religion...don't think its done much good for people in the long run,and def hasn't helped me on a dmt trip...and I'm lots of fun! Ask anyone.(not my ex tho,shell lie.)lol

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Tell that to the people yelling allah Akbar every time someone's face gets blown off. Even if it's their best friend getting torn to shreds... Allah Akbar!!! I've personally been against religion ever since I got expelled from catholic school in 6th grade for drawing in the bathroom stall.

Timothy was in part right about eternal life from DMT and LSD. When you die, what dies is defined by your definition of "you". If drugs redefine your definition of "you" then death is not necessarialy inevitable.

Shulgin also had an interesting defintion of death based on his experience with a clock while on drugs.

All this hate directed towards religion is misdirected. It's people you need to hate. The vast bulk of muslims aren't wack terrorists. The vast majority of christians aren't inherently bad people, the are just struggling hard to live up to the standards that jesus set. Rather than hate them you should try to remind them that jesus preached tolerance and love not the westboro god hates fags shit.

I think the problems we have in religion are a direct result of halucinogens being illegal.

And there is very, very few people that "hate" religion. Actually only 2% of U.S. citizens claim to be Atheist. I, am one of the 2%. And of those 2% , not very many are outspoken or openly hate religion. I am a very vocal person. I hate religion. Religion is the root of all evil. Religion is immoral and dirty and it is for the dumb. I know it is for the dumb because I was religious. I was just blessed with enlightenment from the ignorance and put on the right path to liberty of the mind.

I can use words like blessed , and evil, because they are not religious words. They are borrowed words from philosophers. Religion has had to steal all its ideas and words from Greek philosophers and paganism.

lol tim leary almost had his head frozen

well if we can keep cloning for ever and we can take tissue cultures and keep them going for ever im shure its feesable to keep a human sell alive for ever by cloning it has the genetical code in the cells im shure thier are ways but that will only keep evil men alive to rule for ever??? the dmt it is a drug but everyone seas objects of some kind of spheres octigons and lil men i think its onother portal to another demension if physics is correct?? but thats my personal opionion..

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And there is very, very few people that "hate" religion. Actually only 2% of U.S. citizens claim to be Atheist. I, am one of the 2%. And of those 2% , not very many are outspoken or openly hate religion. I am a very vocal person. I hate religion. Religion is the root of all evil. Religion is immoral and dirty and it is for the dumb. I know it is for the dumb because I was religious. I was just blessed with enlightenment from the ignorance and put on the right path to liberty of the mind.

I can use words like blessed , and evil, because they are not religious words. They are borrowed words from philosophers. Religion has had to steal all its ideas and words from Greek philosophers and paganism.

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I don't think religion is the root of all evil... nor does it cause all the wars and problems. People will fight over any differences or anything they can find to fight about. Closer to the root of all evil is probably greed. I don't think religion is dumb either. But I'm also not religious and don't hold any beliefs. I don't like institutional/structured religion very much... but I don't hate it. Nobody should hate anything IMO. And I'm not going anywhere with this.... Lol

What people fight in wars? one government vs another government and its people. I cant think of a government that does not have a state religion. The U.S. is 70% protestant and like 20% catholic. That is a very christian nation with very christian views. Name a war that did not involve religious idealism at its core.

Loosley remembered...george carlin;..'they want you to believe,there's a man in the sky..and he knows all you and everyone else does..and he can hear all your crys and wishes,all over the world,all at once...and if you don't believe in him or do as he says or others say he says,you will be cast into pain,misery,dispare,eternal suffering of flames and fire..nothing will be worse...BUT, he loves you!
....AND...HE NEEDS YOUR MONEY!!..PLEASE CALL NOW!!........
That pretty much sums it up for me..money is the root of all evil,and spare the pointing out of that phrase..there is a distinct difference in spirituality and religion..that's my 2 cents..

imp,I think most wars are for $ and power,of which most can not achieve or be interested in..anyone can be religious,therefore the appeal/backing from the masses...its not about $ or power its about our(insert religious overtone here) values..we must save/persecute these people..and take everything they have in the process..

rory420420 said:

Loosley remembered...george carlin;..'they want you to believe,there's a man in the sky..and he knows all you and everyone else does..and he can hear all your crys and wishes,all over the world,all at once...and if you don't believe in him or do as he says or others say he says,you will be cast into pain,misery,dispare,eternal suffering of flames and fire..nothing will be worse...BUT, he loves you!
....AND...HE NEEDS YOUR MONEY!!..PLEASE CALL NOW!!........
That pretty much sums it up for me..money is the root of all evil,and spare the pointing out of that phrase..there is a distinct difference in spirituality and religion..that's my 2 cents..

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lol yeah. you have a good memory to remember all that without re-listening to it. And money the root of all evil?????? what about before money??? GREED!!!! Greed fuels the WANT for money....]

So many people say money is the root of all evil.... dig deeper.

I did...POWER..can't have power without money,won't want money without GREED...its an evil trifecta...perhaps EGO is at the root...hmmm...

Would explain all the idiotic decisions from political leaders over the eons..

rory420420 said:

I did...POWER..can't have power without money,won't want money without GREED...its an evil trifecta...perhaps EGO is at the root...hmmm...

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But what powers the desire for money????? If you have enough money to survive.... but you still want more.... What is it????

And don't forget about before money existed........

Oh, you said won't want money without greed. Nvm. I'm pretty gone tonight... and it seems I never want to debate these sorts of things until I am too far gone....