dluck's first HiD grow

dluck

dluck

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akhiymjames said:
How close are the lights? How are you feeding? To me it looks like she's just fading cus she's hungry for more Nitrogen. Certain phenos will want more than others so let me know the medium and how your feeding
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MD914 said:
I agree with James...I don't believe that's from your light or temps. What kind of soil is that and why such a large container for such a small plant? :mrgreen:
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They are 16 days old..haven't been fed yet...I dropped the lights 4" two days ago but raised them back this morning...my soil comes hot but I rinse it before mixing and after...before it has given me 3 weeks before needing to add nutes BUT this grow I was planning on mixing used soil with new soil...I GOT HIGH..so I'm not sure if I mixed properly as my Skunk is looking WAY too green( if ya know what I mean) and I was thinking/hoping that I was seeing a hungry plant....mixed 2ml of P13 Organics per gal. of water and gave it a drink. Thanks y'all...was just getting on here to post my thoughts and what I did to remedy it...you guys confirmed my thoughts..I hope so anyway lol


Peace
 
MD914

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dluck said:
They are 16 days old..haven't been fed yet...I dropped the lights 4" two days ago but raised them back this morning...my soil comes hot but I rinse it before mixing and after...before it has given me 3 weeks before needing to add nutes BUT this grow I was planning on mixing used soil with new soil...I GOT HIGH..so I'm not sure if I mixed properly as my Skunk is looking WAY too green( if ya know what I mean) and I was thinking/hoping that I was seeing a hungry plant....mixed 2ml of P13 Organics per gal. of water and gave it a drink. Thanks y'all...was just getting on here to post my thoughts and what I did to remedy it...you guys confirmed my thoughts..I hope so anyway lol


Peace
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So what kind of soil is it?
 
akhiymjames

akhiymjames

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dluck said:
Oh Miracle Grow seed starter with MG perlite...rinsed as stated above . Sorry I missed your ? MD :-)
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Does that seed starter mix have time release nutes? If it does you don't wanna use that cus it will release nutes when not needed and vice versa. Do you have enough perlite in the mix as it may not be drying out good enough? Hopefully that good stuff MD hooked you up with will get them back going.

I understand the reason for the big pot early on as this allows the plant to establish roots very good without having to go through a transplant. I'm sure everything will be straight in a couple days.
 
MD914

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akhiymjames said:
Does that seed starter mix have time release nutes? If it does you don't wanna use that cus it will release nutes when not needed and vice versa. Do you have enough perlite in the mix as it may not be drying out good enough? Hopefully that good stuff MD hooked you up with will get them back going.

I understand the reason for the big pot early on as this allows the plant to establish roots very good without having to go through a transplant. I'm sure everything will be straight in a couple days.
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Everything MG makes has time release crap in it (I believe) and I'm not sure how much good the p13 will do in such an environment as it's mostly beneficials that won't thrive in that kind of soil...I was under the impression that he was growing at least partially organic...

Which also explains the big pot early on...but (in my opinion) you won't get better roots by avoiding transplants
It would also seem that if he's in a seed starter mix he most likely plans to transplant anyway?
 
akhiymjames

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MD914 said:
Everything MG makes has time release crap in it (I believe) and I'm not sure how much good the p13 will do in such an environment as it's mostly beneficials that won't thrive in that kind of soil...I was under the impression that he was growing at least partially organic...

Which also explains the big pot early on...but (in my opinion) you won't get better roots by avoiding transplants
It would also seem that if he's in a seed starter mix he most likely plans to transplant anyway?
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I think their organic soil is amended like the organic soils we buy from the shops but not as strong as FFOF but like you said the bennies prolly won't help much. I don't think you will get better roots by avoiding an early transplant I just think the root system will be a lil stronger as it doesn't have to go through the shock of being transplanted. But your right if using a starter mix then you would think he would transplant.

Try to make the MG soil your last time as those time release nutes just aren't super good for cannabis. It can be done but you don't wanna go through too much trouble with it.
 
MD914

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akhiymjames said:
I think their organic soil is amended like the organic soils we buy from the shops but not as strong as FFOF but like you said the bennies prolly won't help much. I don't think you will get better roots by avoiding an early transplant I just think the root system will be a lil stronger as it doesn't have to go through the shock of being transplanted. But your right if using a starter mix then you would think he would transplant.

Try to make the MG soil your last time as those time release nutes just aren't super good for cannabis. It can be done but you don't wanna go through too much trouble with it.
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Their "organic" soil isn't even organic :shock: It still contains the time release nitrogen :mrgreen:
 
dluck

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akhiymjames said:
Does that seed starter mix have time release nutes? If it does you don't wanna use that cus it will release nutes when not needed and vice versa. Do you have enough perlite in the mix as it may not be drying out good enough? Hopefully that good stuff MD hooked you up with will get them back going.

I understand the reason for the big pot early on as this allows the plant to establish roots very good without having to go through a transplant. I'm sure everything will be straight in a couple days.
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No not time release nutes but sprayed liquid nutes...that's why I rinse it and the perlite because they both have it on them...usually a lights rinse which gives me around 3 weeks without having to feed them .
 
dluck

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Never knew they had a so called " organic mix" the seed starter and perlite is all I use of theirs...also I grow to completion in this mix but usually use chemical nutes . FFOF went up to $56 a bag....last time I bought some it was $20 a bag...I really need a new soil mix I guess .
 
MD914

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dluck said:
Never knew they had a so called " organic mix" the seed starter and perlite is all I use of theirs...also I grow to completion in this mix but usually use chemical nutes . FFOF went up to $56 a bag....last time I bought some it was $20 a bag...I really need a new soil mix I guess .
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Your better off using soiless than MG...I pay $23 for FFOF. I amend it and reuse it so I don't have to continue investing :bigjoint:
 
akhiymjames

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dluck said:
Never knew they had a so called " organic mix" the seed starter and perlite is all I use of theirs...also I grow to completion in this mix but usually use chemical nutes . FFOF went up to $56 a bag....last time I bought some it was $20 a bag...I really need a new soil mix I guess .
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Bro where the hell you getting FFOF from? That price is outrageous :lol: $21 for a bag where I get mines and that's at two different places. Yea they have an organic mix and I've had some people swear by it. I've seen great results from MG but I know it causes more problems too so honestly it depends on the grower. You should be fine with it on this grow but next run you def gotta get a better soil. If you don't mind driving my way you can get FF or any other good brand
 
dluck

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MD914 said:
Your better off using soiless than MG...I pay $23 for FFOF. I amend it and reuse it so I don't have to continue investing :bigjoint:
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I would prolly fuk soiless up in a heart beat...I did a just perlite and vermiculite grow but had to water alot but then I didn't have as much time on my hands as I do now .
 
dluck

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akhiymjames said:
Bro where the hell you getting FFOF from? That price is outrageous :lol: $21 for a bag where I get mines and that's at two different places. Yea they have an organic mix and I've had some people swear by it. I've seen great results from MG but I know it causes more problems too so honestly it depends on the grower. You should be fine with it on this grow but next run you def gotta get a better soil. If you don't mind driving my way you can get FF or any other good brand
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Yeah I need to come to the Queen City...see what's up at the local grow ships .
 
akhiymjames

akhiymjames

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MD914 said:
Your better off using soiless than MG...I pay $23 for FFOF. I amend it and reuse it so I don't have to continue investing :bigjoint:
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The way you amend your soil do you do it more for veg flower or both. Gonna start amending my soil and I wanna have an all around mix. I like the supersoil recipe so I think I'll use that with a lil more N guano so they won't ever be lacking there and fade too early
 
akhiymjames

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dluck said:
I would prolly fuk soiless up in a heart beat...I did a just perlite and vermiculite grow but had to water alot but then I didn't have as much time on my hands as I do now .
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dluck said:
Yeah I need to come to the Queen City...see what's up at the local grow ships .
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I bet you did have to water a lot as perlite added in vermiculite isn't gonna have a lot of water holding capabilities. If your gonna go soiless I say go Promix or a good coco. Just can't add too much perlite or the medium will dry out to fast. You want some water retention so you don't have to water a lot.

Yea Queen City has a couple that are very good. Everything you need are in them.
 
dluck

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akhiymjames said:
I bet you did have to water a lot as perlite added in vermiculite isn't gonna have a lot of water holding capabilities. If your gonna go soiless I say go Promix or a good coco. Just can't add too much perlite or the medium will dry out to fast. You want some water retention so you don't have to water a lot.

Yea Queen City has a couple that are very good. Everything you need are in them.
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I think there's one called American Beauty I wanna check out bro...ever been there ?
 
MD914

MD914

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akhiymjames said:
The way you amend your soil do you do it more for veg flower or both. Gonna start amending my soil and I wanna have an all around mix. I like the supersoil recipe so I think I'll use that with a lil more N guano so they won't ever be lacking there and fade too early
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Mostly for flower but I have had to use it in veg when I ran out of FFOF from the bag to do all my transplants and they seemed to take it pretty well. I wouldn't start a seed or a clone in it though :lol:
I don't include the Mexican in my soil mix. I use it in a topdressing when needed as I believe it's pretty soluble and wouldn't sustain in the soil but would possibly burn...
 
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