DIY Solar Panels

Boulderheads

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Hey guys, I have been doing some research lately on PV solar cells. Seems pretty simple to create your own panels as long as you have patience and the time to get it done. I found a company that sells these 2watt cells for around .54cents a watt. Keep in mind they are off spec and produce less than optimal results, but they are uber cheap... The cool thing is you can virtually make the system as large or small as you like. They sell bundles of up to 15,000 cells, so in theory that would be close to 30,000 watt system, or 30Kw, a typical household's daily power consumption. Just wire the cells in series and enclose them in a protective case and presto your own solar panel. check out these links

http://greenpowerscience.com/

http://sunelec.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=32

Anyone who has played around with creating their own solar panels please post your experience for others to benefit from. I would like to try to make my own panels within the next year.. maybe as a winter project. Cheers to keeping it green in more way than one
 

LiEBE420

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man i would love to jump in and help if i had any idea about it. i live in southern CA where the sun shines every day and i'm in NEED of some solar panels. so far i havent looked too deep into it because i thought it would cost around 10k-20k for a decent setup.
 

Boulderheads

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I thought so too.. the most expensive components are the power inverters and the panels themselves. If I can find a way to house these cells so that they are resistant to the weather I think it could be a good way to cut down costs for the system. You could gradually add panels over time if cost was an issue. The 2nd link for sunelec will give you a list of everything you need depending on your power requirements. Check it out when you have the time, it is pretty interesting stuff.
 

moggggys

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id love to walk a path of green energy but find the cost beyond prohibative , im waiting now for the end of the year as i figure winter time will be the best point to try to invest in a system

for the sysem iteslf i tintend to use both solar and wind running a small as i can find upto 500w turbine , the reason is simply about housing , i will be lashing this to the top of my shed and it was never designed to take loads from the side , i may even use a concrete fence post if despirate , the solar ellement will consist of a panel around 100w running down to leasure batteries with the usual inverter to run 240v , due to the length of the shed i can and will extend the size of the set up as funds become avaiable by adding more and more panels , the power created will be used to run a small grow in the shed all going to plan or if not just to run the shed itself i would hope if nothing else to manage to keep moms in there under floros or clf`s , its just my luck to buy a house without a single south facing roof out of the 3 roofs this house has so cant create energy to help run the house , it would be a major untaking to run a serious amount of panels off the shed roof to then run lines into the house from this
 

born2killspam

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Give it time, you think these things are expensive today, look at prices 10 years ago..
Problem is, batteries are far from green if thats why you care..
 

YouGrowBoy

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We are still on the bleeding edge of solar panel production. Some recent advancements at MIT that have not yet come to market could more then quadruple the current output of today's panels and allow the collection of electricity even at night. Here's a couple of links about each technology. I figure the more people that know the sooner it will be a reality.

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/solarcells-0710.html

Both of these technologies are MAJOR and I would love to power my house (and other things) with them when they come to market.
 

Boulderheads

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borntokillspam, never heard of them. Maybe you could post any info you may have, or anyone else out there who knows anything. I think the MIT links are wonderful. Those guys are always up to something.. keep the info and convo going guys. The faster this technology diffuses, and the more manufacturers become available, the price will drop drastically. As consumers show strong demand, more money will be invested in R&D to make these panels and cells even better than they are. Keep it green and keep on rolling!
 

born2killspam

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We just discussed the concept in school, and that was a long time ago.. I don't know if they've even made it to the engineering phase to this day, but actually those night-time collectors you mentioned sound similar in concept.. Remember the EM spectrum is broad, and its all the same shit (boils down to blackbody type concept, where peak levels are eqv to a lover Kelvin rating, and lower total energy at night).. If material science is up to par and capable of using lower energy photons, then possibilities are endless..
 

Boulderheads

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Thermophotovoltaics (TPVs) are a class of power generating systems that are used to convert thermal energy to electrical energy. They consist of, at a minimum, an emitter and a photovoltaic power converter. However, most TPV systems also include additional components such as concentrators, filters and reflectors. The basic principle of operation is similar to that of traditional photovoltaics (PV) where a p/n junction is used to absorb optical energy, generate and separate electron/hole pairs, and in doing so convert that energy into electrical power. The difference is that the optical energy is not directly generated by the sun, but instead by a material at high temperature (termed the emitter), causing it to emit light. In this way thermal energy is converted to electrical energy.
The emitter can be heated by sunlight or combustion. In this sense, TPVs provide a great deal of versatility in potential fuels. In the case of solar TPVs, extremely large concentrators are needed to provide reasonable temperatures for efficient operation.
Vast improvements can be made on this basic concept by taking advantage of filters or selective emitters to create emissions in a narrow wavelength range that is optimized for the specific photovoltaic (PV) converter used in the system. In this way TPVs can overcome a fundamental challenge for traditional PVs, making efficient use of the entire solar spectrum. For blackbody emitters, photons with energy less than the bandgap of the converter cannot be absorbed to generate electron/hole pairs and are either reflected and lost or passes through the cell. Photons with energy above the bandgap can be absorbed, but the excess energy, ΔG = Ephoton − Eg , is again lost, generating undesirable heating in the cell. In the case of TPVs, similar issues can exist, but the use of either selective emitters (emissivity over only a narrow wavelength range), or optical filters that only pass a narrow range of wavelengths and reflect all others, can be used to generate emission spectra that can be optimally converted by the PV converter. In this way, these photons are not lost or used inefficiently, in principle, drastically increasing the overall system efficiency. In the case of reflective filters, the emitter must be able to absorb over this range to make effective use those photons not converted.
In order to achieve the maximum efficiency, all photons should be converted. A process often termed photon recycling can be used to approach this. Here reflectors are placed behind the converter and anywhere else in the system that photons might not be efficiently directed to the collector. These photons are directed back to the concentrator where they can be converted, or back to the emitter, where they can be reabsorbed to generate heat and additional photons. An idealized TPV system would use photon recycling and selective emission to utilize all photons and allow them to be optimally converted.




What I got from this-
These things still pick up on light, but it is infrared light and the cells are tuned to only accept a certain band of spectrum. I am assuming that the cells are tuned to match the source and not the other way around. So if you planned to use these inside a coal power plant and wanted to use the heat generated by the coal to power these panels, the cells would then be set to match the spectrum of the source. This is a cool idea. I would love to learn more about this, and please correct any of the information I listed, it is just from wikipedia. Cheers bro, keep the knowledge flowing
 

born2killspam

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Just a plain old physics degree, although I took any material science engineering classes that I could ontop of that.. I figured they kind of went hand in hand (I used to have pretty high aspirations, so I never took the easy way out).. Electronics/electrical/chemistry/programming etc go hand in hand with physics.. Heck, pretty much everything is physics..:)
I can't correct any of that.. Its in tune with what we discussed though, (it clarified my knowledge of them a bit).. And I think your assessment is pretty much spot on..
We didn't actually cover them in the curriculum, my 2nd year optics prof just discussed them.. He was one of those profs who wasn't afraid to drop an hour discussing cool stuff even if it wasn't going to be on the exams.. And for the record, that was more than a decade ago.. It seems they are living up to the potential he was touting, I'm very glad obviously..
+rep for the info anyways..
 

Boulderheads

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+rep right back at ya. That is awesome to have prof's that will do that. Might upset some people(the people only concerned about getting good grades), but for the real learners out there, the people who don't care what the subject matter is as long as it is well delivered and something they don't know, love that stuff. I know because I am one of those people who will learn about anything. And the more I don't know the stronger the desire to become educated. I love when you can sidetrack prof's and get them to talk about things they enjoy and really get them deep into the subject. I think they kinda enjoy it too. I know I would much rather talk about exciting developments rather than the same shit you have been for the past however many years. My little brother is currently studying physics, I will have to get him to bug his profs about this, maybe we can go even further down the rabbit hole.
 

born2killspam

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Bingo.. Those ppl who worry about that stuff inn 1st/2nd year are pretty hopeless anyways.. If you stand any chance at succeeding in senior level/graduate physics courses, you should be able to sleep through 1st/2nd year.. Well no actually, you should be spending those years learning more intensely than the curriculum seems to expect because there is a SERIOUS jump in difficulty..
No different than the jump from HS to 1st year except much worse.. That same prof, and others had stated that perhaps 10% of 1st year science student come with math skills that aren't just embarrassing..
 
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