DiY LED - Cree CXA3070

bizfactory

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Should be just under 200 watts if I remember correctly. ((1.4)*(35.5))*(4)= 198.8?
Yep should be right around 200w. My tent is 40"x40"x60". I already have a PlatinumLED P300 in there so I'm going to add the 4 CXBs once I'm finished. If I like them, I'm going to build a second set of 4 CXBs and move the P300 into another area. That would give me about 400 watts in a 11 sq ft area which should give me fatty nugs. I'm just about to harvest my first grow and it's looking good so hopefully with 200 more watts it will be ridiculous.
 

beppe75

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Yep should be right around 200w. My tent is 40"x40"x60". I already have a PlatinumLED P300 in there so I'm going to add the 4 CXBs once I'm finished. If I like them, I'm going to build a second set of 4 CXBs and move the P300 into another area. That would give me about 400 watts in a 11 sq ft area which should give me fatty nugs. I'm just about to harvest my first grow and it's looking good so hopefully with 200 more watts it will be ridiculous.
hopefully for you man...:weed:...thanks for the reply.
 

sforza

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Supra, I saw one of your build posts on another forum where you mounted the COBs to Arctic 11s. I have two quick questions for my own clarification;

1. If you don't want to (or cant) drill or use an OEM holder, can you use Kapton tape as the only source to secure the COB to the heatsink?

2. If one wanted to use an Arctic Alpine 11 heatsink for the COB, is the Arctic Alpine 11 pre-applied OEM CPU heatsink paste suitable for LED COBs? The idea being that the DIY'er could simply buy the COBs and Arctic 11s, then attach the COBs directly to the Arctic 11s out of the box using Kapton tape as described in #1...

Thanks!
Obviously I am not SupraSPL, but I have read what he says and looked at his posted photos. I saw where he used Kapton tape and thermal paste to hold a cop to a heat sink, so I tried it and it works well. So yes, you can do it and it works well, but I did read a post by a person who said that they had attached some cobs using only Kapton tape and thermal paste and one of the cobs had separated from the heatsink. So make sure that you clean the surface of the heatsink, I use isopropyl alcohol, so that there is no residue preventing the Kapton tape from getting good adhesion.

I also read another post by SupraSPL where he states that he has found that the pre-applied heatsink paste on the Alpine 11 coolers works as well has the paste that he has been recommending.

Using Kapton tape to attach a cob directly to an Arctic 11 would work fine.
 

sforza

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While we wait for his answers, here is everything about Kapton Tape. I have been thinking about it, too.

You get some elongation as the temp. rises but not much.

http://www.dupont.com/content/dam/assets/products-and-services/membranes-films/assets/DEC-Kapton-summary-of-properties.pdf

Some of the properties such as tensile strength will degrade to zero over time, in heat. It doesn't like UV exposure, or water.

But, I am not sure what you mean. Just use it like masking tape? Or is it double sided between the COB and the sink? The problem is not attachment, you know?

The problem is to create a thermally efficient bond between the junction and the heat sink. Not an easy problem. To see the problem you need imagination as it happens on the microscopic level.

Supra when through enormous work to polish his heat sink. Why? He made the surface as gap free smooth as possible. It shines, it reflects, it looks like 4 wires when there are only 2. :)

I saw a prototype of our latest processor yesterday. It is polished as fine as a mirror in a telescope. Why? Same thing. It is what the polished side the heat sink clamps to.

So, heat can only transfer directly molecule to molecule. If a molecule of aluminum is in DIRECT contact with molecule of COB bottom surface, heat will flow easiest. But, if there is the most sub-microscopic gap in smoothness there, it is an AIR GAP. <GASP> :) Now the heat has to go through molecules of air first.

This is why use expensive silver based gap filling compounds, because the gaps we are talking about are not visible to the eye.

So, can Kapton apply enough pressure to keep the gap filler happy? That's the main question.

That's why we use screws, polish work, and gap filler.
SupraSPL uses the tape just like tape, not double-sided tape. He hold down the COB and put tape on the edge of the cob and the heatsink surface. There is a good bond between the COB and the heatsink surface because of the thermal paste. You push down on the cob and it squishes the paste out and you twist the cob a bit and move it from side to side a bit so that there is a good contact between the COB and the paste. Then the tape just keeps the cob from moving and disturbing the bond.

Based on the information in the Cree datasheets, SupraSPL worked really hard to polish up the surface of the heatsink but luckily, SupraSPL did some testing and found out to his surprise that unpolished heat sinks work just as well as polished heat sinks. I never was going to polish the surface of the heat sink or the COB, since that is what the thermal paste is there for. Even the thinnest layer of thermal paste is going to be a lot thicker than minor surface scratches on the heat sink or cob. There is no air gap between a cob that has been well squished onto thermal paste and the heat sink.
 

CellarDweller

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Has anyone seen this remote phosphor before?

http://www.intematix.com/uploads/Briefs/ChromaLitXTbrief.pdf

Quite interesting from a efficiency/diffuse light spread for vegetation. Or am I merely showing my ignorance of "how to get the best quality diffuse light" :)

I have just received a (badly designed) light unit using this and have to say it seems impressive - though as I have only just received my COBs, and don't have a light meter, my "reference points" are somewhat limited.
 

Kuifje76

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Hey Supra, my 20 cxa3070 AB's with ideal cobholders have arrived :)
10x Alpine 11 Plus are on the way, as so are the 50K potmeters
10 coolers will follow later
the only thing for me to decide is which drivers to use (it will be Meanwell though) and if i'd remove the preapplied heatpad on the Alpine 11 plus, someone noted you did test this and saw no difference ?

I'm wondering what's more efficient for my surface (50cmx132cm, 2 rows of 5, 1 cob for every 25cm2)

2 x (5 cxa3070 AB with HLG-185-C1050) dimmed) almost all voltage used
OR
2 x (5 cxa3070 AB with HLG-120-C700) dimmed) 5/6 voltage used
in both cases dimmed to 500mA most of the time

i want to add blue later on but undecided to use 5000K cobs or a blue Phobya ledstrip
they also have UV lightstrips, since they come in 120cm and I don't have a lot of room (2 shelves 109cm height/compartiment) they seem interesting but i have no clue what efficienty is like
 
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CellarDweller

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Hey Supra, my 20 cxa3070's with ideal cobholders have arrived :)
10x Alpine 11 Plus are on the way, as so are the 50K potmeters
10 coolers will follow later
the only thing for me to decide is which drivers to use (it will be Meanwell though) and if i'd remove the preapplied heatpad on the Alpine 11 plus, someone noted you did test this and saw no difference ?

I'm wondering what's more efficient for my surface (50cmx132cm)

2 x (5 cxa3070 AB with HLG-185-C1050) dimmed) almost all voltage used
OR
2 x (5 cxa3070 AB with HLG-120-C700) dimmed) 5/6 voltage used
in both cases dimmed to 500mA most of the time

i want to add blue later on but undecided to use 5000K cobs or a blue Phobya ledstrip
they also have UV lightstrips, since they come in 120cm and I don't have a lot of room (2 shelves 109cm height/compartiment) they seem interesting but i have no clue what efficienty is like
Are you putting 2 COBs per Alpine 11Plus?
 

Doer

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Hey, Godling. I looked at the spec and I have to say, I don't really get it. I liked it at first but the details seem strange.

It fully encases the COB with 2 sides, and an "inserted" thermal pad, "inside the bottom layer" ??? I could be turned around without the data sheet, but sounds like a high thermal impedance system.

Just a raw guess.
 

Doer

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Has anyone seen this remote phosphor before?

http://www.intematix.com/uploads/Briefs/ChromaLitXTbrief.pdf

Quite interesting from a efficiency/diffuse light spread for vegetation. Or am I merely showing my ignorance of "how to get the best quality diffuse light" :)

I have just received a (badly designed) light unit using this and have to say it seems impressive - though as I have only just received my COBs, and don't have a light meter, my "reference points" are somewhat limited.
That is a weird looking diffuser. I'd like to see that in action.

It says High Temp? I wonder where the data sheets are?
 

Jeeyah

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Here's the burnt chip. When I replaced it last night I saw the problem. When I was building the unit, I rubbed off some paste. When it was done, I added a few drops of paste where it was rubbed off.

After I removed the chip, I noticed it only had contact where I added the few extra drops. I should have applied some pressure to spread it. I replaced the chip, and made sure paste was smashing out the sides like a peanut butter sandwich this time.image.jpg
 

Doer

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Has anyone seen this remote phosphor before?

http://www.intematix.com/uploads/Briefs/ChromaLitXTbrief.pdf

Quite interesting from a efficiency/diffuse light spread for vegetation. Or am I merely showing my ignorance of "how to get the best quality diffuse light" :)

I have just received a (badly designed) light unit using this and have to say it seems impressive - though as I have only just received my COBs, and don't have a light meter, my "reference points" are somewhat limited.
In case, like me you know absolutely nothing about remote phosphor.
http://www.ecse.rpi.edu/Homepages/schubert/Reprints/2005 Kim et al (JJAP-Express Letters) White LED with remote phosphor configuration.pdf
 
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