Did God create the Universe?

This is one of the most fascinating episodes of The Universe......


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[video=youtube;oR8jqhdAGm0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR8jqhdAGm0[/video]

[video=youtube;MJBUopQ5heI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJBUopQ5heI[/video]

I enjoyed that episode, and this as well.

[video=youtube;dV3Xj_oTNZ0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV3Xj_oTNZ0[/video]

heyyo said:

if God created the universe, who created GOD? where did he come from

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I hate the idea of infinite regression... it makes even less sense than infinity. I can kinda grasp the concept of something continuing forever into the future as time passes... but continuing into the past without end? That idea makes me want to kill my brain for even thinking about it.

No, God created the Branes which Created the Universes.

i am god, bow down to me!

Kervork said:

No, God created the Branes which Created the Universes.

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I agree with heyyo... if god created the brains which created the universe... what created the god? and what created the thing that created that god, and so on, and so on to infinite regression...

fuck man i hope and i think so it to complicated and its to open the sea the space the universe the only thing im shure of is energy its thier it only changes but it take energy and energy transforms in all kinds of ways all kinds of ways for shure

Kervork said:

No, God created the Branes which Created the Universes.

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did you mean Brains perhaps? odd that word was misspelled

So many possibilites.... I just believe modern religion has gotten it wrong I do believe there is a highest level of consciousness that did create us, and there are powers unknown to us... more than likely we couldn't even comprehend it with our current thinking process.

No, its not Brains, it's Branes

Universes can be created by any reasonably advanced species. It doesn't require a God. There are many, many universes and more each day.

The real question is, why is it that whenever you look for god you find something much larger, leading you to find that god must be larger still?

I seen alot of videos on this, think aboout it, the smartest scientists in this world say that we can only see 4% of this universe which contains 200 billion galactic systems ect..

There is 96% left of this universe, and even Albert Einstein proved there were more then 10 different diminsions and there is no creator??

I use to be like that to till I realized that its impossible for their to not be a creator...whether its people learning to make cars, glasses, toys, all these things we have now that were not here before, how did they make it with only rocks, water, fire, dirt and trees?
oil comes out of the ground and is somehow perfect for us to use in this earth, hmmmm wonder why that was oil and not something meaningless that we would not be able to use.
human beings are set on earth the only planet we can live on that has oxygen and water.
If we could survive on another planet then they would have started building civilizations over there by now.
Even that time on the news where that guy had a machine and it showed the exact location of the "Mother of all floods" the biggest flood in human history and it was dated to the exact date the bible said God flooded the earth and Noah and his family was safe on the Ark.

Sourkushman said:

I seen alot of videos on this, think aboout it, the smartest scientists in this world say that we can only see 4% of this universe which contains 200 billion galactic systems ect..

There is 96% left of this universe, and even Albert Einstein proved there were more then 10 different diminsions and there is no creator??

I use to be like that to till I realized that its impossible for their to not be a creator...whether its people learning to make cars, glasses, toys, all these things we have now that were not here before, how did they make it with only rocks, water, fire, dirt and trees?
oil comes out of the ground and is somehow perfect for us to use in this earth, hmmmm wonder why that was oil and not something meaningless that we would not be able to use.
human beings are set on earth the only planet we can live on that has oxygen and water.
If we could survive on another planet then they would have started building civilizations over there by now.
Even that time on the news where that guy had a machine and it showed the exact location of the "Mother of all floods" the biggest flood in human history and it was dated to the exact date the bible said God flooded the earth and Noah and his family was safe on the Ark.

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This argument could work both ways. After all, we only know about 4% of the universe, who's to say that contained in what we don't know is positive indication that no creator exists.

Lack of evidence, aka ignorance, is never evidence, nor is it a good reason to believe anything other than the fact that we don't know. IOW ignorance does not equal knowledge. The only thing this argument indicates is that your imagination is limited.

It is also interesting how you apparently have special knowledge that earth is the only planet that contains oxygen and water. IOW, you appear to be making as many assumptions as needed to support your view.

This argument also does nothing to indicate the christian god is the creator. This is another assumption on your part.

You also have an obvious bias, for example, oil is only one thing that comes out of the ground. What about all the stuff we can't use? Anthrax also hides in the ground.

I hope you see this as criticism of your ideas and not an attack on your person. The best disciplined and logical examination of the universe continues to paint a picture in which a creator is unnecessary.

Yes, pardon me for joining late. Has the counter question been asked?

Did the Universe create God? That seems much more likely and orderly to me. And as our understanding creates perceptions, I believe we are also creating conceptions. And thus we master fate, itself, defying entropy, etc.

For example, we have no way to know, if Dark Matter was there before we observed it's effects. Quantum UN-certaincy says, certainly, it was/wasn't.

To conquer time and space in Perception, it is simple to just be Now and let that unfold in the personal self conception out to eternity. All, right Now, everywhere. This is the truth of existence. Only Now to do we live, only Now do we act.

And we perceive God exists. The Universe created us. The Universe created God.

Sourkushman said:

I seen alot of videos on this, think aboout it, the smartest scientists in this world say that we can only see 4% of this universe which contains 200 billion galactic systems ect..

There is 96% left of this universe, and even Albert Einstein proved there were more then 10 different diminsions and there is no creator??

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Really? Link?

I use to be like that to till I realized that its impossible for their to not be a creator

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Details. How is it "impossible?" Haven't you ever seen anything that formed naturally?

...whether its people learning to make cars, glasses, toys, all these things we have now that were not here before, how did they make it with only rocks, water, fire, dirt and trees?

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Is this rhetorical or do you really want an answer? Because there are answers, although some of them are necessarily incomplete.

oil comes out of the ground and is somehow perfect for us to use in this earth, hmmmm wonder why that was oil and not something meaningless that we would not be able to use.

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This is a new one. Do you understand what oil is? Even now, every day, after a phytoplankton bloom, which was initiated by the immense energy from the sun, billions of tons of plankton die and sink to the bottom of the oceans creating a layer over a half mile thick. This is basically trapped energy in the form of co2. That this becomes oil, gas and coal over millions of years is not really a mystery.

human beings are set on earth the only planet we can live on that has oxygen and water.

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Proof needed. BTW, using a term like "set on" is begging the question. You already assume what it is you are attempting to demonstrate. This form of circular reasoning won't fly here, especially when we already know that humans weren't the end goal of life on earth. We came about by a series of random events. BTW, the fact that our planet has oxygen is not an accident, it is specifically a by-product of life. Remember that phytoplankton? They made the oxygen in the atmosphere that allowed larger, multicellular lifeforms to even exist in the first place. Even to this day they provide most of the oxygen that we breathe.

If we could survive on another planet then they would have started building civilizations over there by now.

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Who would be building this civilization?

Even that time on the news where that guy had a machine and it showed the exact location of the "Mother of all floods" the biggest flood in human history and it was dated to the exact date the bible said God flooded the earth and Noah and his family was safe on the Ark.

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I've read the bible multiple times. There are no exact dates given. Fail #1. As to your reference to a guy with a machine without any details is fail #2. To claim that a biblical world-wide deluge had a 'location' is fail #3.

There is always the question that pops into my mind. What are we, that so desperately need this Reality of ours to have a Creator?

Is it just that question.... Why? In the end there is no why, so we have to make up something? We have to tell the children something?

Or is it that we need a scapegoat? Evil. Evil is simply a learned judgment, like....good. When we can't make somebody be good, they stop being merely bad. No it's worse than bad, they won't be corrected. Fine...very bad, then, but not the superstition incarnation of Evil.

Is it more we need to fear Evil, so need a counterweight?

And why is the Western God, the Loki? Arbitrary and bratty. A mount Olympus Star-boy, constantly meddling. Prone to tempers, smotting and smitting. It is so different from the Middle or Eastern God concept and much more violent in taking sides.

Or is it just that we are slowly waking up from superstition that is ingrained at birth? Most people are born with the parents are already taking about God, the first day.

I think it is this, from birth, brainwashing that leads to the total assumption of "there has to be a Creator." Then for the West it is the Mt Olympus version with an Old Man (you'd think he'd stay young looking....what ever) pushing Chess pieces around and "setting things upon this Earth."

oil comes out of the ground and is somehow perfect for us to use in this earth, hmmmm wonder why that was oil and not something meaningless that we would not be able to use.

Can you not see the twisted and tortured logic you are forced to use? A lot of people will say that oil is the forbidden fruit. EVIL. We were not suppose to use it. Petroleum is a nightmare of toxins. How can you think it's perfect, except to blindly say, "God is in control. therefore it is perfect" The new fatalism of the evangelicals. The blind senseless pretzel logic of Fate.

So, seems to me, the Christian Religion in my life time, has morphed more toward fatalism and away from free will and self determination.

It must be a pretty shaky religion that can change that dramatically and politically in only 50 years.To me it is not surprising, the entire western civilizaton is slinking away from free will. We slide to the Nanny State....as God wills. The religions must follow.