Defoliation Test

Evo8Emperor said:

No matter what its just someone's opinion so those who do may or may not see a benefit and same for those who don't. I lean towards it benefiting the plant and your grow.

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R.C. Clarke, the father of cannabis anatomy and plant science didn't give an opinion, he stated a fact. If you and BB choose to ignore that, fine. You can do your smoke and mirrors thing all day, doesn't mean a thing regarding any bonafide scientific conclusion. Clarke presents those conclusions. He is the expert.

UB

Evo8Emperor said:

I have some pics of my purple wreck mom and different aurora mom both i defoliate heavily throughout there life seeing as there mom's but you can see the growth difference anyway. No matter what its just someone's opinion so those who do may or may not see a benefit and same for those who don't. I lean towards it benefiting the plant and your grow.

Aurora on the left Purple Wreck on the right

Aurora

Purple Wreck

The new leaves grow in so quick you don't even notice you cut anything off besides the fact that everything now is a potential bud site and not just a huge fan leaf.

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Nice mothers you could fill a house with all the clones you could get off of those nothing like defoliation for density.

Uncle Ben said:

R.C. Clarke, the father of cannabis anatomy and plant science didn't give an opinion, he stated a fact. If you and BB choose to ignore that, fine. You can do your smoke and mirrors thing all day, doesn't mean a thing regarding any bonafide scientific conclusion. Clarke presents those conclusions. He is the expert.

UB

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I pointed out on the leaf blocker thread where he is making an opinion of his theory If you go back a page or two you will see the highlighted quote of his opinion.

Its sad your mental functions are lapsing I'm sure you have seen it before.

Can I buy some of your magic beans that grow bud in the dark because as you can see defoliation makes so much bud the light doesn't get down there and there is no bud where there isn't light should I post the pics again?

Yah I don't see how it's smoke and mirror's when the pic is right there. I'll make sure next time I take a video of the plant as I'm cutting it and then take a video again a week later when its regrown and filled in.

Yah well R.C. Clarke needs to be discredited then. Its a weed none the less so its going to grow no matter what you do to it. If defoliation is so bad why do rose gardner's due it to promote there buds ? To promote their buds new growth in spring. Just basic gardening and common sense is all.

As for my mom's i try and not to cut any main stems as a clone unless I have to in which case i will just cut the lowest ones getting the least light. I defoliate to try and get as much side branching filled in as possible so I can cut those off the main stem's for clones. keeping them all growing still and my mother's in control.

Evo8Emperor said:

Yah I don't see how it's smoke and mirror's when the pic is right there.

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I have shown pix too. What's your point? You gonna chest beat and tell me you're getting more yield than me? Again, you guys don't have ANY science going here, just the same old cannabis forum bullshit I've been reading for 15 years.

Yah well R.C. Clarke needs to be discredited then. Its a weed none the less so its going to grow no matter what you do to it. If defoliation is so bad why do rose gardner's due it to promote there buds ? To promote their buds new growth in spring. Just basic gardening and common sense is all.

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You arrogant know-it-alls can not discredit a scholar and horticulturist. Nice try. The misguided comment about roses clearly shows your lack of understanding regarding certain horticultural and plant processes. Rose gardeners prune their perennials during *dormancy* as a means to train them into a certain profile regarding height, width, removing dead wood etc. They do not do it for production except to maybe balance the root mass with the foliage/flower mass.

I'm a niche farmer as well as home gardener of veggies, fruits, olives, tropicals, nuts, berries, landscape trees.....I am or have grown it all. One of my crops is wine grapes which I sell to amateur winemakers. Here in about 3 weeks I'll be pruning DORMANT grapevine wood to keep them trained to a specific profile called Vertical Shoot Positioning aka VSP. Has nothing to do with crop load, that's another op done after flower set. My premium grapes are shaded by a heavy canopy.

I have peach trees, they were recently pruned, to open up the canopy and bring the height down to 7' or less so picking is easiest. Most of the fruit is shaded and is of premium quality - very large, sugary sweet, juicy, bold red skin colors.

Hass avocados are found within the canopy, shaded......

Enjoy your smoke and mirrors.

Uncle Ben

I'm glad avocados grow in the shade under the moving sun.

Do you have any magic beans that grow bud in the heavy shade mine don't

I defoliated a plant that had mite damage. It is now the biggest of the four biggest fan leaves, biggest in total size, just big. It worked so good i did it to two more. id love to see this at the end of the side by

I'll be defoliating tonight pics after work.

It's something you have to see for yourself.

Mights suck but at least you found a way to increase your budsites and learned how to get rid of the pests now if there was a spray for internet trolls I'd be getting some of that.

I can see fruits growing in the shade no problem just another common sense thing. The tree or vine or what ever type of stem it is, is feeding the fruit. Weed is a flower that I believe needs light.

I am not stepping on anyone's toes. Like i said everyone got their own ways and opinions. First thing I said. Who ever follow's who is there choice. For those who want to see that they can increase their yield and done so with a smaller plant with much more vigorous side branching and growth from cutting some leaves that grow back by the hundreds anyway will. Not a big deal. Something you got to do to see it. Everyone I know defoliates that grows. My buddy pulls 6-8 oz of rooted clones. 12 plants one 4x8 flood table and 3k watts above. Such super hard dense nugs its amazing. hammer with light and defoliate and see what happens.

Better yet if there was just one way of growing then we wouldn't have the innovations we do and produce and yield the flowers that we do.

Evo8Emperor said:

Weed is a flower that I believe needs light.

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Wrong. Weed is a tropical foliage plant, an annual that flowers just like any other tropical plant.

UB

Buds still need light to develop should I post real evidence again or are we growing fruit trees?

Bud Brewer said:

I'm glad avocados grow in the shade under the moving sun.

Do you have any magic beans that grow bud in the heavy shade mine don't

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when I was growing outdoors I was surprised to see how well some plants did in a forest full of trees (shade).
I only wanted so many plants in my full sun area, it was exposed to all eyes from above, you know... I threw a couple plants in more dense forest area and was surprised to see how well they did... They had nearly no direct sun... I think more light trickled through those trees than my eyes had led me to believe. Growth was slower than the full sun plants though.

I had a purple strain that only got purple where the light was hitting it directly. Those looked ripe and "done" when harvested. The under buds were still lime green and a little airy. They all cured well together

I wasn't being so specific but you can. I'm sure enough of us get my point. I don't see why you get your pannies in a bunch over someone else's words. There not your's to defend so who cares.

That and its not that big of a deal to learn something new or to be wrong. That's the only way to further yourself along. People take it so personally growing when we should just be giving everyone a hand. Its just things that people don't like letting out for all to know. lol. I know so many people like that I just laugh.

^ That's interesting. I've got a handful of purple and pinks growing now (Sannies Killing Fields). I'll look for that. Just from memory, one of them does go a deep purple up top and not so much down low.

like you can see in the pics on the last two pages they don't need much light I have buds from the lowest branches that stretched to get lite but the stuff higher up in the interior there is nothing not even popcorn.

Bud Brewer said:

Buds still need light to develop should I post real evidence again or are we growing fruit trees?

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I'm with UB on this... Your pics are nice, but I don't see how this is proof that buds need direct lighting to develop.

Bud Brewer said:

Buds still need light to develop should I post real evidence again or are we growing fruit trees?

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You don't know shit about botany, that's the real evidence and the fact that you keep posting the same series of photos in 4 threads like some compulsive nut doesn't make your point valid.

I'll explain a little botany to ya'll - leaves are the plant's unit that produces sugar's and other products for plant cell tissue production and elongation whether it is finally channeled to roots, stems, more leaves, or fruiting bodies. Phloem and xylem are the circulatory conduits which carries cell building byproducts of photosynthesis to all plant parts including flowers, actually it's the phloem that carries those products (glucose), the xylem conduits water and elements into the chloroplasts located in the fan leaves for sugar production. If you want to remove those efficient solar collectors, fine, but don't sit here and try to convince someone with 40 years of horticulture experience that you know botany.

With a few lights and other stuff even a monkey can throw together an indoor garden and grow this weed.

UB