Defoliation Test

Without good light good bud doesn't develop well or at all.

It doesn't take much light to develop bud you can see the two good sized buds at the bottom that got light, but I could still clone off some stuff in the interior from lack of light.

These will go thru a whole new bud cycle I put the lights back to 14 hour on where they started I'm just letting the bit of popcorn I got get light before I chop every thing that is developed leaving just immature 2 week old looking tops to reflower.

thewizard01 said:

Hey UB, you said you harvest the tops and let the bottom growth go longer before harvesting. Why exactly do you do this? Is it because the bottom growth isnt as well devolped or at the peak harvest window like the top growth? Or perhaps something else? I also do double harvests because I have found that after removing most of the top growth/buds that the bottom growth recieves more light and quickly because more devolped. I know you said the the bottom becomes dom. but do you really think light has nothing to do with it? Just wondering. thanks

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Update time it's been 3 days since I defoliated two the two topped ones are still far behind.

All plants have similar branching exept the one that had it's stock burnt it is just surviving no real growth but it's the same size as the other topped one.

I moved the lights to the side to keep these from getting to tall and give the topped ones more light otherwise they would get too far behind I don't want to prop them up if I don't have to.



A big difference in three days since leaf removal first on right and third was defoliated second and fourth not.

So after about 1 week in flowering I am seeing the defol plants on average are about 2-3 inches shorter than the non defol. I see a convincing "bushiness" on one plant... could be defol, could be the cut... the other look pretty much the same other than taller on average.

I don't think I want to pursue this test. I think to make it effective I would need to be working from the bottom up. I've got a nice cozy system here right now with the room design to pair with the system. I put my plants in aroun 10-11 inches tall and count on the height to come in during flower... it appears defol stunts vertical growth. Whether it makes up for it in horizontal growth or not I have not seen with just one defol at wk 1. Might be good for some but not for what I do.

I'll be watching your test for sure though. As before, I'm still pretty skeptical that defol is increasing yields for you in the large picture... that includes veg time, effort and such. I'm open to the idea though.

When you just do it because that is how you want to, cool. It's your thing. But if you are saying this is superior to not using this method you will have people challenging you. That's life.

I like a challenge doing the same thing without improvement is not learning it is the status quo average that's not me.

You will be happy with the plants in a couple of weeks this is a long race just wait be very glad you didn't top any that really takes a long time to recover from.

Bud Brewer said:

doing the same thing without improvement is not learning it is the status quo average that's not me.

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That's cool.
I am the same way with genetics. I've always got a new pack I'm working on.. germinate.. cull the males.. back stock/label the females(mothers)... flower/test each females clones... smoke a TON... choose the best... if the best from the pack beats the best from a previous pack then the old one goes to the garbage. It's a ton of work. It takes about 8 months to get through a pack, start to finish. I used to do 2 reg 10 pks at a time. These days I have chilled out.. My veg area is still a jungle though.
Sounds like we are going for the same thing though. More! Better!.. haha. It's like crack.. it's hard to stop.

So what part do your topped cuts take in this experiment? You have 2 topped, 2 defol and 2 normal?

The topped ones were accidents the 23 watt light fell over on two burning the stem on one the top on the other.

The burnt stem one Is almost dead the other topped one is behind.

My dog ate my homework she actually at two tops and most leaves so I had to defoliate them all the only one with good leaves was a defoliated one so they are going to have a restart but still have two with tops.

I'll post picks later.

Ill

Hope you don't mind figured i'd just post a couple of my before and after pics of defoliating my two plants before flowering.

Before :

Aurora Indica


Purple Wreck


After 9 days 1 week of that Flowering.

Aurora


Purple Wreck


Kinda funny when you see how much growth there already is. Not really looking for your opinions just putting out there for those to see who are interested in what happens when you cut all them dam sun leaves off. lol.

Evo8Emperor said:

Hope you don't mind figured i'd just post a couple of my before and after pics of defoliating my two plants before flowering.

Before :

Aurora Indica

Purple Wreck

After 9 days 1 week of that Flowering.

Aurora

Purple Wreck

Kinda funny when you see how much growth there already is. Not really looking for your opinions just putting out there for those to see who are interested in what happens when you cut all them dam sun leaves off. lol.

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I dont give a fek if your looking for opinions or not im giving you mine...thats pretty cool does that produce those same monster buds that BB is showing off, have you been doing this for a while?

I'd like to tell you it did but I am not growing plants that I am familiar with or know if I have a good pheno to produce monster buds. Excuses I know but then again I'm just getting back into the swing of things and made the switch to coco from lp aero and water set-ups.sasad

My last aurora ended up getting locked out late in flower but I still pulled 6 1/2oz off of her. All nice dense bud as well. Not light or airy. I know where I fucked up already though and I fixed it for the other's.

My friend on the other hand does the same as me and he grows some bubblicious and he grows some monster buds. He doesn't make up a bag he finds a bud. lol. From an eight the an oz he gets buds off clones. 10-12 plants in a 4x8flood table with 3k watts and another 1k watt led above. advance nutes and sunshine number 4 mix. no co2 just really good air intake.

He's pretty much my idol. lol. The buds he grows are so dense and beautiful. I have pictures around if your that interested.

Evo8Emperor said:

I'd like to tell you it did but I am not growing plants that I am familiar with or know if I have a good pheno to produce monster buds. Excuses I know but then again I'm just getting back into the swing of things and made the switch to coco from lp aero and water set-ups.sasad

My last aurora ended up getting locked out late in flower but I still pulled 6 1/2oz off of her. All nice dense bud as well. Not light or airy. I know where I fucked up already though and I fixed it for the other's.

My friend on the other hand does the same as me and he grows some bubblicious and he grows some monster buds. He doesn't make up a bag he finds a bud. lol. From an eight the an oz he gets buds off clones. 10-12 plants in a 4x8flood table with 3k watts and another 1k watt led above. advance nutes and sunshine number 4 mix. no co2 just really good air intake.

He's pretty much my idol. lol. The buds he grows are so dense and beautiful. I have pictures around if your that interested.

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Pics are always golden but i dont really care about that part, what im wondering is about the defol. Have you done side bys, and if so, what week of life did you do it. Ive done a couple in early stages in dwc and theyve come back to take the cake but theyre not done. I want to know now if its benny.

Evo8Emperor said:

Hope you don't mind figured i'd just post a couple of my before and after pics of defoliating my two plants before flowering.

Before :

Aurora Indica

Purple Wreck

After 9 days 1 week of that Flowering.

Aurora

Purple Wreck

Kinda funny when you see how much growth there already is. Not really looking for your opinions just putting out there for those to see who are interested in what happens when you cut all them dam sun leaves off. lol.

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I will tell you what happens. You slow the plants progress while it replaces the leaves you stripped from it. Extending the grow but not contributing to additional yield. You just use more power and time to achieve the same results genetics and environment will allow. To each their own. I guess its cool to drag things out these days.

How in 9 days when the plant has filled back out and is ready to be flowered after keeping them both for moms for a while now. I trimmed them up for yield cutting lower branches and sun leaves off and now there are way more bud sites than before.

Yes to each there own when I pull 10oz+ off one plant. My last aurora suffered a lock out due to my own fault I admit it big deal. I still pulled 6.5oz of dense bud off her.

After her two week stretch I will defoliate again. Then one more time 6-8 weeks in depending on the length they are going to go. Finishing in 8-10weeks.

While I will still flower clones and defoliate them as well before flower and it doesn't slow them. I think its more about the amount of light. I take notes from my friend and I look to copy his results. I am just back into things again after him giving me a new card after a year. His results speak for its self not that you guys know, can see, or care.

He's got no tricks up his sleeve just simply less is more, grows in sunshine mix #4 and stays between AN and Botanicare. He flower's in a 4x8 flood table with 3 or 4k above it. 10-12 clones about 12in before flip. only finish about 24in or a little more. He pulls 4-6 oz though of such hard dense bud is unbelievable.

I myself grow in a coco perlite 50/50 mix. I tend not to believe in specific nutes and I try different things still. I have tried botanicare, GH, AN, Dyna-Grow and still trying other things just looking for the best all around results. Money not being an issue but at the same time not looking to spend crazy money for nothing. Looking to try a round with Botanicare again soon.

Alexander Supertramp said:

I will tell you what happens. You slow the plants progress while it replaces the leaves you stripped from it. Extending the grow but not contributing to additional yield. You just use more power and time to achieve the same results genetics and environment will allow. To each their own. I guess its cool to drag things out these days.

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You obviously never tried it if you want to slow a plant down for weeks top it if you haven't been paying attention the topped ones are half the size and the branching isn't any better one day they may keep up.

You get more budsites but how would you know that with no experience but I guess everybody is riding Uncle Bmeats coat tails because of his experience defoliating half a plant once and didn't notice a difference but advocates topping that truly slows a plant to a crawl but it's your time and light to waste.

Alexander Supertramp said:

I will tell you what happens. You slow the plants progress while it replaces the leaves you stripped from it. Extending the grow but not contributing to additional yield. You just use more power and time to achieve the same results genetics and environment will allow. To each their own. I guess its cool to drag things out these days.

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Pearls before swine.

Bud Brewer said:

You obviously never tried it if you want to slow a plant down for weeks top it if you haven't been paying attention the topped ones are half the size and the branching isn't any better one day they may keep up.

You get more budsites but how would you know that with no experience but I guess everybody is riding Uncle Bmeats coat tails because of his experience defoliating half a plant once and didn't notice a difference but advocates topping that truly slows a plant to a crawl but it's your time and light to waste.

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Yup. More speculation based on one dimensional science. They hide behind their "science" while forgetting that scientific "facts" get continually disproved every day.

They have no science they have theory based on a biased opinion the only experience is from doing half a plant and not noticing a difference that says a lot on how limited their experience is yet still recomend topping the most crippling method.

Evo8Eperor said:

Hope you don't mind figured i'd just post a couple of my before and after pics of defoliating my two plants before flowering.

Before :

Aurora Indica

Purple Wreck

After 9 days 1 week of that Flowering.

Aurora

Purple Wreck

Kinda funny when you see how much growth there already is. Not really looking for your opinions just putting out there for those to see who are interested in what happens when you cut all them dam sun leaves off. lol.

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This thread Is about defoliation test to refine our methods on timing and amounts, so post as many pics as you like and what and when you did it and what have you figured out this is about learning from people with real experiance so anybody post your experience.

Nice plants you can see the branches coming out they are fat only getting fatter keep up the good work and keep us updated.

Uncle Ben said:

Pearls before swine.

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You know it Uncle Bmeat...