Deficiency? I Need help!

Calicode

Calicode

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ANC said:
You can add K in the form of hardwood ash, but it will push pH up.

Looking at the pictures you will at the minimum have to foliar iron chelate if you wanted to repeat the experiment with adjustments. I'd reduce the food. Commercial farmers feed the soil once before planting as the crop is too tender to go through it again with tractors and stuff to top up fertilizers.

Get some mycorrhizae and Trichoderma to get more out of less food and less water. The primary reason plants have roots is that it acts as an interface zone these guys can attach to. They are also very good at breaking down food.

I have a few problematic clones that were not hardened off properly before delivery.
I instantly know which ones are really dead as the Trichoderma just pops up over the stem, out-competing any harmful germs and fungi.
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Sounds good bro. I will look into that!
 
Calicode

Calicode

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Blitz35 said:
At this point, you can give it one last boost. Again, not sure exactly which line you're feeding with, but if you have the 0-5-4, give that only and a teaspoon of molasses to a gallon of water. Depending on the molasses you have..check to see if it has calcium and magnesium in it, most do..if it does, add less cal mag to your RO water. Depending how they are developing..once you see the tops of the buds rounding (coning) off, they are close, cut the nutes out for the last 10-12 days and continue with just the molasses until final watering. As the plant gets old, it hangs on to the sugars more and more, so there is less food for the microbes in the medium, the molasses keeps them happy when the plant no longer gives back to them.
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Thanks bro!
 
Buba Blend

Buba Blend

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Calicode said:
Is there anything else that you can tell about what's going on?
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I'm not following the conversation so I'll just add some info.
I only read Ancs post because he is so damn smart and I always read his posts.

I'm taking a break from getting involved helping others for a while.
You have a long journey in front of you.

If you don't have or can't get the books use growweedeasy.com
If you can get the books:
Marijuana Horticulture: The Indoor/Outdoor Medical Grower's Bible
or
Marijuana Grower's Handbook by Ed Rosenthal

I won't debate if ffof is soil. Start a thread asking if it is soil. See if anyone else thinks it is not soil. I'd be curious if you can find others that think it is not soil.

Ever consider making your own soil from scratch?
If you make your own soil from scratch one of the ingredients is peat.

My opinion, if potassium is not getting to the plant, it is not because there is not enough potassium in the soil.

Again just my opinion.

I have used ocean forest a long time. My guess is the soil does not have a lack of potassium, might be locked out but that is likely from something you did wrong.

Most common reasons are improper watering or adding something that should not have been added.
I have grown plants in ffof with just water and had healthy plants to the end.
Another note. ffof should get nothing but water for the 1st 4 weeks.

Good Luck!
 
Calicode

Calicode

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Buba Blend said:
I'm not following the conversation so I'll just add some info.
I only read Ancs post because he is so damn smart and I always read his posts.

I'm taking a break from getting involved helping others for a while.
You have a long journey in front of you.

If you don't have or can't get the books use growweedeasy.com
If you can get the books:
Marijuana Horticulture: The Indoor/Outdoor Medical Grower's Bible
or
Marijuana Grower's Handbook by Ed Rosenthal

I won't debate if ffof is soil. Start a thread asking if it is soil. See if anyone else thinks it is not soil. I'd be curious if you can find others that think it is not soil.

Ever consider making your own soil from scratch?
If you make your own soil from scratch one of the ingredients is peat.

My opinion, if potassium is not getting to the plant, it is not because there is not enough potassium in the soil.

Again just my opinion.

I have used ocean forest a long time. My guess is the soil does not have a lack of potassium, might be locked out but that is likely from something you did wrong.

Most common reasons are improper watering or adding something that should not have been added.
I have grown plants in ffof with just water and had healthy plants to the end.
Another note. ffof should get nothing but water for the 1st 4 weeks.

Good Luck!
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Thanks man. I'm new so I'm just trying to get as much info as I can from experienced growers. Not trying to start a cyber war lol.
 
Buba Blend

Buba Blend

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Calicode said:
Thanks man. I'm new so I'm just trying to get as much info as I can from experienced growers. Not trying to start a cyber war lol.
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No worries.
I was helping a lot of new growers and was getting into to many arguments when bad info was given. In your case I knew the info was bad and wanted you to have a different opinion and then leave it up to you to decide.

Try to get different opinions and use other sources like books and reliable online websites to reach conclusions.
 
Calicode

Calicode

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Buba Blend said:
No worries.
I was helping a lot of new growers and was getting into to many arguments when bad info was given. In your case I knew the info was bad and wanted you to have a different opinion and then leave it up to you to decide.

Try to get different opinions and use other sources like books and reliable online websites to reach conclusions.
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Yeah I know how it goes on here lol. But thanks again for your input! I'll tag you in the finished product.
 
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Blitz35

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Buba Blend said:
No worries.
I was helping a lot of new growers and was getting into to many arguments when bad info was given. In your case I knew the info was bad and wanted you to have a different opinion and then leave it up to you to decide.

Try to get different opinions and use other sources like books and reliable online websites to reach conclusions.
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You knew the info was bad lol. Do some research on sphagnum peat moss and find out what it really is. It's a soil amendment, like ewc are! Sphagnum is a plant that grows in soil! It has no nutrient value and it barely hangs on to any nutrients, while not completely inert like say perlite, it does not have a high cec. Once again, it is a soil amendment to help give sandy soils some structure, or loosen up tougher clay soils, or even to help acid loving plants grow better. To simply start a new thread asking who thinks ffof is soil..people like you will jump in and throw in their 2 cents that obviously has not been researched in any way, because if it was, you would know what you were growing in is not soil. In any case, best of luck on your grows..i'll keep my bad info to myself lol.
 
Buba Blend

Buba Blend

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Blitz35 said:
You knew the info was bad lol. Do some research on sphagnum peat moss and find out what it really is. It's a soil amendment, like ewc are! Sphagnum is a plant that grows in soil! It has no nutrient value and it barely hangs on to any nutrients, while not completely inert like say perlite, it does not have a high cec. Once again, it is a soil amendment to help give sandy soils some structure, or loosen up tougher clay soils, or even to help acid loving plants grow better. To simply start a new thread asking who thinks ffof is soil..people like you will jump in and throw in their 2 cents that obviously has not been researched in any way, because if it was, you would know what you were growing in is not soil. In any case, best of luck on your grows..i'll keep my bad info to myself lol.
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No sure what you said.
Why not start a thread "Is ffof soil Soil? Don't waste my time.
I would rather you started the thead, I don't want him to look like a fool, I'd rather it be you.
Have a good day sharing the word lol.
If he wants to listen to you (I wouldn't). Good Luck To Him!
 
Buba Blend

Buba Blend

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Please put me on ignore and talk to someone else. Thank You!

In case I wrongfully hurt your feelings, my apologies in advance.

To the others out there.
Is this a test you guys set up for me? lol.
Piece of cake! lol.
No more arguing with trolls or people who are smart enough to be dangerous. lol.
My transition will continue with ease. lol

Now please ignore me.
 
kingtitan

kingtitan

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More bad info here.

FF is Soil and it should be PH'd to soil not Soilless.
ProMix BH/HP is Soilless until you add amendments and cook it, now it is much closer to soil.

The pics look like lockout on Phosphorus.
 
Calicode

Calicode

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kingtitan said:
More bad info here.

FF is Soil and it should be PH'd to soil not Soilless.
ProMix BH/HP is Soilless until you add amendments and cook it, now it is much closer to soil.

The pics look like lockout on Phosphorus.
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Ok cool. How do I correct it? Or what would you suggest? Tomorrow makes 10wks in flower.
 
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Blitz35

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kingtitan said:
More bad info here.

FF is Soil and it should be PH'd to soil not Soilless.
ProMix BH/HP is Soilless until you add amendments and cook it, now it is much closer to soil.

The pics look like lockout on Phosphorus.
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Right..'closer' to soil.but still not soil. The ideal ph is 5.8-6.3, which is not completely soilless, but not soil ph either. Odd you mention specifically a phosphorus lockout...how can you tell that it's not a phosphorus deficiency? Why would phosphorus be locked out? Coincidence, that phosphorus gets locked out at too high of a ph when looking at soilless ph nutrient availability. Best of luck...happy reading to all! In week 10, you will only cause more harm trying to fix something that is almost a finished product. Your issue is not a lack of phosphorus, rest assured! I don't know why you get such bad info, but a phosphorus deficiency looks nothing like the pics you posted!
 
kingtitan

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Blitz35 said:
Right..'closer' to soil.but still not soil. The ideal ph is 5.8-6.3, which is not completely soilless, but not soil ph either. Odd you mention specifically a phosphorus lockout...how can you tell that it's not a phosphorus deficiency? Why would phosphorus be locked out? Coincidence, that phosphorus gets locked out at too high of a ph when looking at soilless ph nutrient availability. Best of luck...happy reading to all! In week 10, you will only cause more harm trying to fix something that is almost a finished product. Your issue is not a lack of phosphorus, rest assured! I don't know why you get such bad info, but a phosphorus deficiency looks nothing like the pics you posted!
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I had my promix reaching 6.5-6.8 in week 5 and that what it looked like, locked out.

Correct, at week 10 just let them finish
 
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Blitz35

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kingtitan said:
I had my promix reaching 6.5-6.8 in week 5 and that what it looked like, locked out.

Correct, at week 10 just let them finish
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Exactly, hence why i say again..it must be treated as soilless, like coco with regards to ph'ing. If it was soil, phosphorus is best taken up between ph 6.5-7,..however, in soilless, it starts getting locked out by ph 6.5. Best absorbed under 6 in soilless.
 
raggyb

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Calicode said:
Oh ok, that's the first time I've heard that about fox farm. Yeah I've normally had a few problems at once and I attempt to knock them out one by one. I've just started using grandma's molasses during my water only feeding. Should I start using it on every feeding or how often? I use cal mag every feeding. I'm doing feed 3x then just water. How many weeks would you say that I have left? It's been 9wks
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Was feed 3x too much? Shouldn't you feed every other water? And maybe 1/2 strength. I'm just saying. These guys know way more than me. And you know ppm's. I don't have one of those, I'm impressed.
What strain is it? Maybe it's a hard one to grow. Anyhow, not bad for a first grow. I know I'd try it.
 
Calicode

Calicode

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raggyb said:
Was feed 3x too much? Shouldn't you feed every other water? And maybe 1/2 strength. I'm just saying. These guys know way more than me. And you know ppm's. I don't have one of those, I'm impressed.
What strain is it? Maybe it's a hard one to grow. Anyhow, not bad for a first grow. I know I'd try it.
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It depends, I believe that's all based on preference. Some feed 2x then water, some feed all the way through etc. But then again what do I know lol. I started out using half but I ended up feeding 1/4 because of nitrogen toxicity. I'm just going to start flushing to hopefully get everything out within the next two weeks. There's really nothing left to do. I've had so many problems and did the wrong things so much that I should have a better idea of what to do next time. I learned about ppm on here because of nute burn lol. It's an OG clone. And thanks, I tried to put my all into this grow but it looks like that was too much lmao
 
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