Deception, and Denial

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Quote of the Day: "In 2006, Massachusetts snuck a health care boondoggle past the voters by pushing 20 percent of the cost on to the federal government and 60 percent onto private individuals and employers, according to data from the Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation." -- Michael F. Cannon of the Cato Institute, writing in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Subject: Another shocking fact about the true costs of the big health care bill
Yesterday we told you that the big health care bill delays the full implementation of its programs until after the 10-year period evaluated by the CBO (Congressional Budget Office). This serves to hide the fact that these programs will probably cost at least 50% more than the $1.2 trillion reported by the CBO.
But it gets worse . . .
* The $1.2 trillion cost reported by the CBO only includes ON-BUDGET items
* The bill also imposes other huge costs on taxpayers that won't be reflected in the federal budget
This is one of the tricks Republican Governor Mitt Romney used to pass his train-wreck health care bill in Massachusetts, and now the Democrats in Congress are pursuing the same fraudulent course.
We've said it before, we'll say it again -- you won't get what you want just because a politician holds office who happens to wear the partisan label you like. The labels mean nothing! You will only get what you want by raising a stink, and doing it constantly, with overwhelming pressure. Now here's how the Democrats are using Mitt Romney's playbook to defraud you . . .
The big health care bill imposes mandates on the states, on employers, and on individuals. These mandates will result in massive expenses, NONE of which are included in the CBO's estimate that the bill will cost taxpayers $1.2 trillion over 10 years.
* State governments will have to spend more on Medicaid, which you will pay through higher state taxes or increased debt
* Many employers will have to buy health insurance for their workers, or pay a fine to the government
* These increased costs to employers may result in lower wages or increased unemployment -- probably both
* Individuals who don't currently have health insurance will have to buy such insurance, by law
These expenses aren't included in the estimated cost of $1.2 trillion. Michael F. Cannon of the Cato Institute sums it up . . .

"President Barack Obama’s plan would commit states to increase Medicaid spending (governors are furious) and require individuals and employers to spend more on health insurance (Obama’s top economist, Larry Summers, says those mandates 'are like public programs financed by benefit taxes'."
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Well I can understand that the CBO is only required to report on the costs to the Federal Government, the fact that politicians are using its estimate of cost as a selling point is deceitful.

True costs, which would include actual costs to employers, employees, and the states should be what is published. Not the CBO's estimate of the cost to the federal government.
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Mitt Romney = silver spoon douchebag.

While any argument against "free healthcare" should include the financial impact, let's never forget the slippery slope of allowing government another opportuntity to institute a mandatory program of any kind.
Bigger government = fewer choices, less liberty. Fuck mandatory. I'm not anyone's slave. I don't need another government program crammed up my ass " for my own good". If people want a particular healthcare plan, have it, just don't support a mandatory plan and try and say there are choices...that's bullshit.

Rob Roy said:

Mitt Romney = silver spoon douchebag.

While any argument against "free healthcare" should include the financial impact, let's never forget the slippery slope of allowing government another opportuntity to institute a mandatory program of any kind.
Bigger government = fewer choices, less liberty. Fuck mandatory. I'm not anyone's slave. I don't need another government program crammed up my ass " for my own good". If people want a particular healthcare plan, have it, just don't support a mandatory plan and try and say there are choices...that's bullshit.

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I opposed it in general. Now, if the government did away with the clauses that penalize me for choosing not to get health insurance at this point in my life, then I'd probably shrug, and say, why do I give a rat's ass. Provided there was no tax hikes to pay for it.

However, as the CBO probably has failed to account for the free-rider problem, mostly because they can't quantify it, then tax hikes are assured, and the entire system will fail.

Thus, under no reasonable circumstances I can not support it.


Now, excluding the above, I can not support it on principle either. I can not comprehend how the government, or anyone, can believe that some one has the right to steal another's property through the government, and force them into involuntary servitude, or slavery.

This proposal is immoral because it relies upon theft (taxation) that instead of benefiting the entirety of the public (with out infringing upon any one's liberties) benefits a SELECT MINORITY which actually for the most part don't want the "benefits" being shoved down their throats.

60% of the uninsured just don't want insurance either because they make too much, or because they are young and have more important things to spend their money on.

Their money, their choice, and that's really the end of the discussion

after reading the first few posts in this thread i must say, sometimes you pot heads make me proud to be american.

The next sign I carry at any future TEA parties will read:

What amazes me is that the supporters of this boondoggle are now trying to sell it using conservative principles. All we hear now in the media is how it will cut costs, provide competition and more choice. Now when did anything run by the government ever cut costs, and when did it ever increase competition? What the government does is precisely to eliminate competition. Do you have another social security office if you don't like yours? No. Do you really think you are going to have an alternative to universal medicare? No you won't.

It seems like this administration describes things exactly opposite of what they are. The government can run the auto industry and the banks better we are told. They can run the healthcare industry better we are told. How very soviet of them. Look, the public option is a back door to a single payer system and the single payer system is a back door to a government takeover of an industry that represents one sixth of the economy.

Obama spent six months picking a dog. We can spend some more time on this. Back to the drawing boards idiot congress!