Dark energy theory wrong? Is nickel the key to understanding the fate of the universe

djdestroyer

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Humanity isn't even a spec of sand in the Sahara desert... We are so insignificant and it's impossible to even quantify it due to the ever expanding universe. And who's to say there aren't more universes? Or that our universe is simply a spec of sand for an ultra-universe. Don't you find it uncanny how atoms look exactly like galaxies on paper? What's to say that our universe isn't simply a quark or electron making up a greater atom? Or how about the notion that 90% of what we know today will eventually be either disproved or improved upon greatly? I wish I had all the answers!
 

RC7

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Something i can't comprehend is how could something go on FOREVER and whats beyond the "universe" ??? Also where did any matter come from and how could it be there foreverrrr if it wasnt created? That is one impossible thought
 

The Cryptkeeper

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Something i can't comprehend is how could something go on FOREVER and whats beyond the "universe" ??? Also where did any matter come from and how could it be there foreverrrr if it wasnt created? That is one impossible thought
Isn't it obvious? The universe doesn't exist so neither do you.
 

darkdestruction420

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The quantum physcs understanding and pictures/belief as to how atoms work has recently been turned upside down, it turns out electrons dont move like we thought at all inside of a atom. It can even momentarily be in 2 places at once. it doesnt orbit around the outside of the particle like we thoufg.
 

Luger187

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Something i can't comprehend is how could something go on FOREVER and whats beyond the "universe" ??? Also where did any matter come from and how could it be there foreverrrr if it wasnt created? That is one impossible thought
matter came from pure energy during the big bang....apparently
 

doc111

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Something i can't comprehend is how could something go on FOREVER and whats beyond the "universe" ??? Also where did any matter come from and how could it be there foreverrrr if it wasnt created? That is one impossible thought
Something which is finite cannot possibly comprehend that which is infinite.;-)
 

JustAnotherFriedDay

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......?
Anyway, I have been researching the universe and physics/astrophysics for a long time now and ive come across something that it seems half the scientific community of astrophysicists havent been taking into consideration, when you try to measure dark energy you use la supernova, a type of supernova that is always of the same energy and fades at a predictable rate, they result when a white dwarf star becomes too large from sucking in gas from a binary companion to support its own pressure and collapses, which is a universal constant, but now it seems nickel 56 level is what determines the brightness of a supernova explosion, the energy released is always the same, but the brightness we measure to tell how quickly they are receding is not......so, what do you guys think?[/QUOTE

And they say stoners are stupid. That could be it man! But I have no fucking clue..nor do I care to find out. Those answers are beyond our generation IMO
 

darkdestruction420

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found a pretty interesting article on dark matter,
Dark Matter Mystery Deepens In Cosmic 'Train Wreck'

ScienceDaily (Aug. 17, 2007) — Astronomers have discovered a chaotic scene unlike any witnessed before in a cosmic "train wreck" between giant galaxy clusters. NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory and optical telescopes revealed a dark matter core that was mostly devoid of galaxies, which may pose problems for current theories of dark matter


"These results challenge our understanding of the way clusters merge," said Dr. Andisheh Mahdavi of the University of Victoria, British Columbia. "Or, they possibly make us even reexamine the nature of dark matter itself."
There are three main components to galaxy clusters: individual galaxies composed of billions of stars, hot gas in between the galaxies, and dark matter, a mysterious substance that dominates the cluster mass and can be detected only through its gravitational effects.
Optical telescopes can observe the starlight from the individual galaxies, and can infer the location of dark matter by its subtle light-bending effects on distant galaxies. X-ray telescopes like Chandra detect the multimillion-degree gas.
A popular theory of dark matter predicts that dark matter and galaxies should stay together, even during a violent collision, as observed in the case of the so-called Bullet Cluster. However, when the Chandra data of the galaxy cluster system known as Abell 520 was mapped along with the optical data from the Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope and Subaru Telescope atop Mauna Kea, HI, a puzzling picture emerged. A dark matter core was found, which also contained hot gas but no bright galaxies.
"It blew us away that it looks like the galaxies are removed from the densest core of dark matter," said Dr. Hendrik Hoekstra, also of University of Victoria. "This would be the first time we've seen such a thing and could be a huge test of our knowledge of how dark matter behaves."
In addition to the dark matter core, a corresponding "light region" containing a group of galaxies with little or no dark matter was also detected. The dark matter appears to have separated from the galaxies.
"The observation of this group of galaxies that is almost devoid of dark matter flies in the face of our current understanding of the cosmos," said Dr. Arif Babul, University of Victoria. "Our standard model is that a bound group of galaxies like this should have a lot of dark matter. What does it mean that this one doesn't""
In the Bullet Cluster, known as 1E 0657-56, the hot gas is slowed down during the collision but the galaxies and dark matter appear to continue on unimpeded. In Abell 520, it appears that the galaxies were unimpeded by the collision, as expected, while a significant amount of dark matter has remained in the middle of the cluster along with the hot gas.
Mahdavi and his colleagues have two possible explanations for their findings, both of which are uncomfortable for prevailing theories. The first option is that the galaxies were separated from the dark matter through a complex set of gravitational "slingshots." This explanation is problematic because computer simulations have not been able to produce slingshots that are nearly powerful enough to cause such a separation.
The second option is that dark matter is affected not only by gravity, but also by an as-yet-unknown interaction between dark matter particles. This exciting alternative would require new physics and could be difficult to reconcile with observations of other galaxies and galaxy clusters, such as the aforementioned Bullet Cluster.
In order to confirm and fully untangle the evidence for the Abell 520 dark matter core, the researchers have secured time for new data from Chandra plus the Hubble Space Telescope. With the additional observations, the team hopes to resolve the mystery surrounding this system.
These results are scheduled to appear in the October 20th issue of The Astrophysical Journal. Other members of the research team included David Balam (University of Victoria) and Peter Capak (California Institute of Technology).
 

Snow Crash

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It's all a matter of poor calculations.

We measure the spin of a galaxy, then we estimate the mass in the galaxy, and then we determine if the galaxy should be spinning itself apart. Most galaxies are spinning too fast yet they don't fly apart. The answer for that is "Dark Matter." Some kind of particle that contains mass and imparts gravitational pull we cannot see.

The way we estimate the mass of the galaxies has recently been drawn into question with consideration of data collected from the LHC. Sub-atomic particles contained in electrons carry a greater amount of mass than previously theorized. This miniscule change in electron mass, on a galaxy scale, will probable solve the "Dark Matter" problem. This phenomenon is also responsible for existence of all things, as it is this mass discrepancy that kept the Anti-matter particles from destroying all the matter particles in our universe. At the Big Bang there was an equal amount of Matter and Anti-matter; yet, as we all know, Matter won that battle. That has been an unanswered question until this insight into electron mass density of sub-atomic particles.

Dark Energy refers to the spreading of all galaxies from one another. The amount of space-time is increasing at all places. Like a geyser it's like space-time is welling up from a sub-dimension. This expansion of the universe is like placing dots on a balloon and then blowing it up. As the balloon expands all the dots expand away from one another. Dark Energy is likely just a mis-conception regarding the nature of the universe, and space-time, and likely doesn't result from extra energy in the verse we cannot explain.

Think about the universe like a sheet. Our sheet is contained in a pile, between other sheets, but none of these sheets actually touch. About 16 billion years ago (or so) our sheet and an adjoining sheet "touched" which caused a spread of energy on both sheets. Just like how when your finger touches a string on a guitar these vibrations determined our constant values and the amount of energy in our universe. Eventually this vibration will dissipate into the adjoining verses (like the guitar string) and one day the universe will be cold and barren again.

It is my opinion, shared with others, that the expansion of our universe is directly proportional to the slow dimensional dissipation of energy. The upwelling of space-time is likely just the "void" coming to reclaim us. If our universe was an empty pitcher and it had a cup of hot water added to it then Dark Energy would be like dropping ice cubes in the pitcher to cool down the hot water. Every cube spreads out the hot water, thinner and thinner. Eventually every thing spreads too thin and over time, with more and more ice cubes, it all becomes frozen.

Dark Energy and Dark Matter are different things. They have completely different purposes in the universe and they are probably just a result of our own narcissism. We do not understand nearly as much as we'd like to pretend we do. Give it 20 years. 2031 is going to be fucking crazy.
 

darkdestruction420

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You wrote that very well. It was easy to follow but still semi-advanced, Not too technical but not too vague. Thanks for the post. The multiverse concept of sheets is one ive found interesting myself, or membranes is the word i see used more often. String theory has made some serious gains in the attempt to formulate the one "theory of everything". I'll admit i didnt like the string theory and didnt think it added up when i first saw it way back until i researched some of the more recent versions which really do make alot of sense. Your ideas are very interesting, i'm going to have to ponder it for a few days.
 

Snow Crash

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I do what I can to bring it into perspective.

One concept I love to work with is space time.

Imagine a big glass sphere. Inside the sphere are axis lines heading north/south, east/west, forward/backward. This sphere is space-time.

An event in space-time can then be recorded where it happens within this sphere. Time and location are dependent upon the comparative distance from start, finish, and center.

Now think of the universe as an infinite sphere. You can't ever escape the universe because beyond the "edge" of the energy expanding from the big bang (which happened EVERYWHERE, infinitely anyway) there is no energy, and no change and thus none of the dimensional strata that allows for anything to exist at all. You can't get there, because it very much doesn't exist. You will always just keep traveling along a fractal curvature in space-time.

As much as it is infinite, it has a curved shape as well, and we are forever trapped like glitter in a snow globe.
 

The Cryptkeeper

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All very interesting but until you realize everything is wrong and can never be right, you'll finally realize the incredible breadth of mortal ineptitude. :)
 
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