Creationists Are Dumb.

Tw3nti3ight

Tw3nti3ight

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The Elite are really putting you all under a mind spell....Christmas is a joke, fuck the holiday season....

Jesus was nothing more than a Shaman healer who studied abroad...

Then these crazies decided to devise up some crazy stuff to shove down peoples throats....

Lets do dis people!!!

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:leaf::leaf::leaf::leaf: Cause everybody in the hood has had it up to here! - Sublime
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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mr2shim said:
Even so, what does his original post have to do with creationism? He has a beef with religion(Christianity) and is pointing the finger at creationism.

Creationism–noun 1. the doctrine that matter and all things were created, substantially as they now exist, by an omnipotent Creator, and not gradually evolved or developed.

Creationism in it's basic is a belief in a God, a prime creator or all creator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God

"God" expands across numerous religions and beliefs, for him to single out Christianity shows how uneducated he really is.

What's so crazy about believing in a Prime Creator(God)? I can't see radio waves, cell phone signals, or air but I know it's there.
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If you re-read your definition of creationism, it says much more than merely a belief in a prime creator, it specifically disavows naturalistic evolution and requires a specific type of deity, one which has perfect knowledge of past, present and future and created everything as we now see things. This of course is opposed by many major religions and philosophies including many Native American traditions that believe in a creator but not the Judeo-Christian omnipotent, omniscient kind. You again appear to be trying to soften the doctrine of creationism to fit your idea of what it means when in fact it clearly has more specific intent and it is this intent that the OP is discussing.

It's not about being able to see something but whether or not there is sufficient evidence for it's existence. Radio transmissions and electrons and even the quantum foam can be demonstrated to exist independent of belief. There is no independent verification that a god created or started anything, all that exists is belief. If a god created everything, fine, but I prefer to side with the idea that I don't know and although uncomfortable, I believe it is the more intellectually honest position vs. invoking a creator being of which we can know nothing about.
 
mr2shim

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mindphuk said:
If you re-read your definition of creationism, it says much more than merely a belief in a prime creator, it specifically disavows naturalistic evolution and requires a specific type of deity, one which has perfect knowledge of past, present and future and created everything as we now see things. This of course is opposed by many major religions and philosophies including many Native American traditions that believe in a creator but not the Judeo-Christian omnipotent, omniscient kind. You again appear to be trying to soften the doctrine of creationism to fit your idea of what it means when in fact it clearly has more specific intent and it is this intent that the OP is discussing.

It's not about being able to see something but whether or not there is sufficient evidence for it's existence. Radio transmissions and electrons and even the quantum foam can be demonstrated to exist independent of belief. There is no independent verification that a god created or started anything, all that exists is belief. If a god created everything, fine, but I prefer to side with the idea that I don't know and although uncomfortable, I believe it is the more intellectually honest position vs. invoking a creator being of which we can know nothing about.
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I see nothing wrong with you saying you do not know. I do see something wrong with the OP and him stating people who are atheists are smarter than those who believe in creation. So my assumption that you're an agnostic is correct?
 
mindphuk

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Yes, I could consider myself an agnostic atheist, however, if I'm going to be labeled, I much prefer one that speaks to what I DO believe rather than about things I don't believe in. I consider myself a rational empiricist in that I believe the only way to actually know something about the world in which we live, we must apply the same tools that began with Socrates. Very little credit is given to human experience as it has been demonstrated how fallible our minds are as they are geared more for pattern finding and filling in blanks rather than deciphering object reality. I cannot, nor can anyone, say without a doubt in the non-existence of various supernatural and other extraordinary phenomena such as UFOs, Loch Ness Monster, ESP, ghosts and the spirit world in general, or a supreme being that has the power to create a universe, however I find the only reasonable position is to remain skeptical pending any hard (empirical) evidence. I do doubt there is a supernatural being that started everything but it doesn't matter because even if physics demonstrates that universes can develop spontaneously and the equation is eloquent and succinct, a simple mathematical construct, there still will be people that can find god in that equation but to me it just is a complicating factor that fails to actually explain anything.
 
Padawanbater2

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Creationists - those people who believe in 6 day creation, 6,000 year old Earth, Noah's arc, ect.

Yeah, those people are IDIOTS, no argument there.

Lmfao at the Hitler comment!
 
Padawanbater2

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mr2shim said:
I think you are the idiot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism
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Well you're entitled to your opinion :)

Did you read your link?

Is someone who believes the Earth was "created" in 6 literal 24 hour periods not an idiot?

Is someone who believes the Earth is only 6,000 years old not an idiot?

Is someone who believes two of every (I'll even be generous with this one) kind of animal could fit on a single ship built over two thousand years ago by a 600 year old man not an idiot?

What exactly are you disagreeing with in my previous post?

What is your definition of "idiot"? Does it mean the same thing to you as it does to me?
 
mr2shim

mr2shim

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Padawanbater2 said:

Well you're entitled to your opinion :)

Did you read your link?

Is someone who believes the Earth was "created" in 6 literal 24 hour periods not an idiot?

Is someone who believes the Earth is only 6,000 years old not an idiot?

Is someone who believes two of every (I'll even be generous with this one) kind of animal could fit on a single ship built over two thousand years ago by a 600 year old man not an idiot?

What exactly are you disagreeing with in my previous post?

What is your definition of "idiot"? Does it mean the same thing to you as it does to me?
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Creationist movements exist among peoples with various religions perspectives such as Judaism, Hinduism, Christianity, and Islam
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That's why I called you an idiot. You keep going on like Christianity = creationism. You clearly have a beef with Christianity, either that or you don't know anything about the other religions so therefore that's all you keep bringing up.

btw, that quote came from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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mr2shim said:
That's why I called you an idiot. You keep going on like Christianity = creationism. You clearly have a beef with Christianity, either that or you don't know anything about the other religions so therefore that's all you keep bringing up.

btw, that quote came from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism
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You seem to be ignoring the points I made earlier that although creationism can be used to denote a wide range of beliefs, it is most often, and correctly so, identified with the Christian fundamentalist movement that attempts to deny science. From your same link:
According to a 2001 Gallup poll,[121] about 45% of North Americans believe that "God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so."
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This view of creationism is the one being discussed, not the general belief in a creator being that may or may not have intervened. As in many areas on the net, it is much more expedient to use generally accepted terms although they may be incomplete or only partially correct in the technical sense. The content and context of the post should make it clear that the discussion is about the combined groups of Young Earth creationist, Old Earth creationists, Gap and Progressive creationism. These views are predominantly held by the three great desert monotheistic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Trying to change the scope of the discussion by saying "Not AAALLLLL creationists believe the same thing" completely misses the point and adds unnecessary verbiage and complication to the discussion. You've made your point but is unfair to require the modifiers "religious fundamentalist" or "Young Earth" in front of every use of the word creationist when discussing this issue unless we are discussing a particular flavor of thought. The Intelligent Design term was coined to get creationism away from the religious context but at the same time gave us a nice catch-all term that avoids the complications just discussed. Would you be happier if the OP and Pad used IDer in place of creationist? If we do this, the original intent I believe would still hold.
 
Padawanbater2

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Dude I nominate you for patience of the century award, fuck!

Sometimes it seems like some people just don't understand shit on purpose.
 
mr2shim

mr2shim

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The difference between you and mindphuk is, at least he knows how to maintain a somewhat educated conversation without going to words like "idiot"

In other words, you are the 12 year old on the playground and he's the adult at the library.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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mr2shim said:
The difference between you and mindphuk is, at least he knows how to maintain a somewhat educated conversation without going to words like "idiot"

In other words, you are the 12 year old on the playground and he's the adult at the library.
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I'll gladly play Dawkins to mindphuks Harris.

Fuck creationism, creationists are still fuckin' idiots.
 
mistaphuck

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Padawanbater2 said:
I'll gladly play Dawkins to mindphuks Harris.

Fuck creationism, creationists are still fuckin' idiots.
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I am an atheist, but I don't call people that believe different things than I idiots, whether they are wrong or right, they shouldn't be chastised for they're beliefs, just for the fact that they spew it all out there and try to convert people to believe in what they believe rather than just believe and live. like the Anchorage Baptist Temple here in town has a Sunday school program where they give kids giant candy bars for bringing they're friends. or going door to door being annoying, your really just as bad as them, why can't you just not believe in god and let the "idiots" just be themselves? your not winning any hearts and minds here, your just reminding everyone about the tension and hostilities differentiating views on religion can cause. the sooner we all learn to just stfu and accept each other and be happy with ourselves then the sooner images like your avatar can be wiped from this earth, and we can get to doing what we should be doing and that is expanding human presence into the cosmos.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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mistaphuck said:
I am an atheist, but I don't call people that believe different things than I idiots, whether they are wrong or right, they shouldn't be chastised for they're beliefs, just for the fact that they spew it all out there and try to convert people to believe in what they believe rather than just believe and live. like the Anchorage Baptist Temple here in town has a Sunday school program where they give kids giant candy bars for bringing they're friends. or going door to door being annoying, your really just as bad as them, why can't you just not believe in god and let the "idiots" just be themselves? your not winning any hearts and minds here, your just reminding everyone about the tension and hostilities differentiating views on religion can cause. the sooner we all learn to just stfu and accept each other and be happy with ourselves then the sooner images like your avatar can be wiped from this earth, and we can get to doing what we should be doing and that is expanding human presence into the cosmos.
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Trust me, I've tried.

The frustrations don't come out unless warranted.
 
mr2shim

mr2shim

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Padawanbater2 said:
Trust me, I've tried.

The frustrations don't come out unless warranted.
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It's not your place to tell someone what they believe is wrong. If they ask for your opinion then I say give it. If you go up to random strangers and tell them they're idiots for believing what they do. I think you are the idiot and need some serious help. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I don't think that gives the right to down someones belief because you feel you are right.

You should never let someones belief or lack of one frustrate, aggravate or upset you. That's just wasted energy because at the end of they day, they don't matter. It's your life.

mistaphuck hit it right on the head. Nothing gives you the right to tell someone what they believe is wrong and they're an idiot. When you do, you're no better than those super religious nutjobs that protest homosexual funerals and claim "God hates fags"
 
RawBudzski

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This may be true? but why does your thinking stop with just one.. What if Evolution is TRUE as so often proven.. and Creation can also be done. As in We may be able to Create Biological life from nothing one day..Yet we are not god.. And that doesnt say Humans were not altered in any way or Created because that can still be true, with evolution happening right along side it.. =/ both can be the Truth at the Same time.

MexicanWarlord420 said:
Sorry, but I had to say it. I don't mean creationists are dumb because they possess close to the same intelligence as the average atheist, although I would argue atheists are intellectually superior because we employ our critical thinking and analytical skills to see through the bullshit put forth by man.(Most religions, Santa Clause, the Bible, and other works of fiction come to mind) That's why they're dumb.

I admit that evolution is still rather "new" and people are uneasy about accepting a scientific fact that would conflict with their beliefs. But the successful brainwashing and indoctrination of youth has people believing that the earth was made 6,000 years ago, man coexisted with dinosaurs, and two of every animal were on a boat.. and not to mention Adam and Eve. That's some major incest going on.

Ok so I know there's going to be some butthurt about me calling creationists stupid because its their right to have an imaginary friend who talks to them and blah blah blah, but when you fuckers start pulling your shit again in public schools, this time trying put creationism in the classroom "teach the controversy". Fuck that shit. Evolution is science that should be taught in schools. Creationism is just a delusional fantasy from an old book with NO FACTUAL EVIDENCE TO RELY ON. Why should our educational system be responsible for poisoning the minds of our youth? Isn't that the parent's job?
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crackerboy

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[video=youtube;PpeOD593lCc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpeOD593lCc[/video]


I already posted this video but it was obviously ignored. Its not just the religious that have a problem with evolution. There is a large portion of secular scientists that have problems with this theory. This guy is no ones fool. A true scientist to the core. He has no religious background. And you can't question his education or call him stupid. He has a whole series of videos that explain these problems. It's time for people to quit being fooled into thinking that all forms of evolution are fact. They are not. They are only theory. Its not fact its opinions mixed with half truths. With any half truth you can find evidence that seems to support it. But there is plenty of unanswered questions.
 
420God

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mr2shim said:
It's not your place to tell someone what they believe is wrong. If they ask for your opinion then I say give it. If you go up to random strangers and tell them they're idiots for believing what they do. I think you are the idiot and need some serious help. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I don't think that gives the right to down someones belief because you feel you are right.

You should never let someones belief or lack of one frustrate, aggravate or upset you. That's just wasted energy because at the end of they day, they don't matter. It's your life.

mistaphuck hit it right on the head. Nothing gives you the right to tell someone what they believe is wrong and they're an idiot. When you do, you're no better than those super religious nutjobs that protest homosexual funerals and claim "God hates fags"
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As much as I agree with this, some people do take religion too far and need to be stopped.

A couple near me recently let there 11 year old girl die a horrible death from diabetes and no one did anything to stop it because they were using prayer for healing.

Do you think the 11 year old wanted to die?
 
VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO

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mistaphuck said:
I am an atheist, but I don't call people that believe different things than I idiots, whether they are wrong or right, they shouldn't be chastised for they're beliefs, just for the fact that they spew it all out there and try to convert people to believe in what they believe rather than just believe and live. like the Anchorage Baptist Temple here in town has a Sunday school program where they give kids giant candy bars for bringing they're friends. or going door to door being annoying, your really just as bad as them, why can't you just not believe in god and let the "idiots" just be themselves? your not winning any hearts and minds here, your just reminding everyone about the tension and hostilities differentiating views on religion can cause. the sooner we all learn to just stfu and accept each other and be happy with ourselves then the sooner images like your avatar can be wiped from this earth, and we can get to doing what we should be doing and that is expanding human presence into the cosmos.
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well put, people need to stay the effe out of other people's personal beliefs and know one should be faulted for what they believe in.
even if it is a fairytale.
 
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