Covid-19 Summary of Therapies and Potential Cures - No Bro Science allowed

newgrow16

newgrow16

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Hopeful: Summary of Wuhan #Coronavirus Therapies and Potential Cures

Guest post by Rud Istvan, In the 3/19 Wuhan virus briefing with the FDA, team Trump made much of the possibilities for two therapeutic candidates, chloroquine and remdesivir. Having now done inform…
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The information in this summary is both sobering and hopeful, if only... it does require time to read and digest though.

First, I am 68 years old and have been smoking cannabis for the last 10 years. Smoked cannabis and tobacco and consumed alcohol until I was 35, have not used tobacco or alcohol for 33 years.

If i get Covid-19 virus it would appear I am at high risk for lung problems. Other than the stuff I hack up every day from smoking I am in good health.

Bad information and tunnel-vision are worse for everyone then me catching this and either recovering or not. I want my Grand-Daughters to have a future, open your mind to all the other harm being done outside the virus realm. How much harm before lives are at risk, not from the virus, but from the hysteria (Thank you supreme leader Gavin Newsom).
 
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schuylaar

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and if you wish to see how fucked we are by Donald Trump*, compare the US to South Korea (who is testing everyone possible and announced the same day we did).

notice how we've diverged:

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we're on the same trajectory as Italy and have way more people.

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schuylaar

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800 people died in Italy yesterday and the US is holding back on testing..because Trumpy* Optics..that's why he's Master of Ceremonies daily now..
 
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schuylaar

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newgrow16 said:
wattsupwiththat.com

Hopeful: Summary of Wuhan #Coronavirus Therapies and Potential Cures

Guest post by Rud Istvan, In the 3/19 Wuhan virus briefing with the FDA, team Trump made much of the possibilities for two therapeutic candidates, chloroquine and remdesivir. Having now done inform…
wattsupwiththat.com wattsupwiththat.com

The information in this summary is both sobering and hopeful, if only... it does require time to read and digest though.

First, I am 68 years old and have been smoking cannabis for the last 10 years. Smoked cannabis and tobacco and consumed alcohol until I was 35, have not used tobacco or alcohol for 33 years.

If i get Covid-19 virus it would appear I am at high risk for lung problems. Other than the stuff I hack up every day from smoking I am in good health.

Bad information and tunnel-vision are worse for everyone then me catching this and either recovering or not. I want my Grand-Daughters to have a future, open your mind to all the other harm being done outside the virus realm. How much harm before lives are at risk, not from the virus, but from the hysteria (Thank you supreme leader Gavin Newsom).
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what makes you high risk?
 
TrippleDip

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Fogdog said:
wattsupwiththat is an anti-science website that supports the right wing agenda. Anything coming from that site is suspect.
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Oh no! We must protect the fragile minded children at riu, lest their innocent minds be contaminated by what they are certainly unable to discern as garbage with their own eyes!


schuylaar said:
Trump
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schuylaar said:
Trumpy
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UncleBuck said:
Reported as spam, propaganda
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Thread was about therapies, your posts are the only spam/off topic/political posts here.



Now, therapies. I know apparently 80% of patients in china were also treated with traditional chinese medicine. I also know from experience, as an asthmatic, how effective things like licorice root, mullein, coltsfoot, and elephants head can be for opening up airways so there's that. There's also traditional things like zinc and vitamin d, which are good in their own right but are proven antivirals.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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newgrow16 said:
wattsupwiththat.com

Hopeful: Summary of Wuhan #Coronavirus Therapies and Potential Cures

Guest post by Rud Istvan, In the 3/19 Wuhan virus briefing with the FDA, team Trump made much of the possibilities for two therapeutic candidates, chloroquine and remdesivir. Having now done inform…
wattsupwiththat.com wattsupwiththat.com

The information in this summary is both sobering and hopeful, if only... it does require time to read and digest though.

First, I am 68 years old and have been smoking cannabis for the last 10 years. Smoked cannabis and tobacco and consumed alcohol until I was 35, have not used tobacco or alcohol for 33 years.

If i get Covid-19 virus it would appear I am at high risk for lung problems. Other than the stuff I hack up every day from smoking I am in good health.

Bad information and tunnel-vision are worse for everyone then me catching this and either recovering or not. I want my Grand-Daughters to have a future, open your mind to all the other harm being done outside the virus realm. How much harm before lives are at risk, not from the virus, but from the hysteria (Thank you supreme leader Gavin Newsom).
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You give old men a bad name......
 
Fogdog

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newgrow16 said:
Closed mind to John Hopkins research, too bad you did not read.
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That website has been denying science for years. Just saying that anything coming from wattsupwiththat is suspect. This does not mean the JH research is invalid. There is no need to go to an anti-science website for that information.

If you go to the Johns Hopkins site on Coronavirus research, you'll find just two papers listed there on the topic of chloroquinone. One is just a summary report that says "hey this is interesting". The other cites results from a clinical test in China on 100 patients across 10 hospitals to treat people with pneumonia associated with Coronavirus infection. Results were postive. But really, 100 patients? This just says more study is needed. That opinion piece on wattsup is suspect because it ignores the fact that there isn't enough data to draw a conclusion yet.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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TrippleDip said:
Oh no! We must protect the fragile minded children at riu, lest their innocent minds be contaminated by what they are certainly unable to discern as garbage with their own eyes!





Thread was about therapies, your posts are the only spam/off topic/political posts here.



Now, therapies. I know apparently 80% of patients in china were also treated with traditional chinese medicine. I also know from experience, as an asthmatic, how effective things like licorice root, mullein, coltsfoot, and elephants head can be for opening up airways so there's that. There's also traditional things like zinc and vitamin d, which are good in their own right but are proven antivirals.
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Why would anybody trust that source? There is plenty of good information here:

National Institutes of Health | Coronavirus

Learn how NIH is supporting research in COVID-19 testing, treatments, and vaccines.
www.nih.gov www.nih.gov
 
newgrow16

newgrow16

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Don't push me, I might fall over.

I only have one question for the CDC, where is the stockpile of KN-95 Face Masks? They had four warning shots of pandemic's, SARS, MEDS, H1N1 and E-Bola. Yet there is no stockpile of these vital supplies at the Center for Disease Control as hospitals are yammering for supplies. The best advice from the CDC is the same advice used in 1918. Go figure.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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newgrow16 said:
Don't push me, I might fall over.

I only have one question for the CDC, where is the stockpile of KN-95 Face Masks? They had four warning shots of pandemic's, SARS, MEDS, H1N1 and E-Bola. Yet there is no stockpile of these vital supplies at the Center for Disease Control as hospitals are yammering for supplies. The best advice from the CDC is the same advice used in 1918. Go figure.
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Ask Trump where they are. There are several warehouses located across the country with millions of masks in inventory.

www.npr.org

Why Even A Huge Medical Stockpile Will Be Of Limited Use Against COVID-19

The U.S. has an $8 billion stockpile of emergency medical supplies that is the envy of the world. But the vast collection will be of only limited use in the fight against the new coronavirus.
www.npr.org www.npr.org

Why Even A Huge Medical Stockpile Will Be Of Limited Use Against COVID-19

Take masks, for example. Steven Adams, the acting director of the stockpile program, says it currently holds about 30 million simple surgical masks and 12 million of the more protective N95 masks that are certified by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health.

But that's not much compared with what will be required to combat the coronavirus. "The demand of 300 million would be anticipated in the initial response," Adams tells NPR. "These are estimates, and different experts have, of course, different opinions. But I think the general view is that probably 300 million a month would be a likely scenario for a full-scale pandemic influenza, which is the primary basis for modeling."

That inventory in hand can't meet the expected demand. It can perhaps act as a bridge to the time when an order for 500 million masks is filled.

If you are griping about how slow Trump's administration has been to recognize and respond to this disaster, I'm there with you brother.

This from a Washington Post article:
Washington state initially received only half of the 233,000 respirators and 200,000 surgical masks that authorities urgently requested from the stockpile. After an outcry from lawmakers, federal officials said the state would receive more masks.

Given the fucked up Republican administration's lies and delays in response, I can see why right wing propaganda is trying to deflect our attention from things that are critical and urgent to rather thin hopes like "choroquinone will save the day".
 
potroastV2

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Fogdog said:
Ask Trump where they are. There are several warehouses located across the country with millions of masks in inventory.

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Given the fucked up Republican administration's lies and delays in response, I can see why right wing propaganda is trying to deflect our attention from things that are critical and urgent to rather thin hopes like "choroquinone will save the day".
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"You're doing a hell of a job, Brownie!

Yeah, the republicans fuck up everything.


:mrgreen:
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Fogdog said:
That website has been denying science for years. Just saying that anything coming from wattsupwiththat is suspect. This does not mean the JH research is invalid. There is no need to go to an anti-science website for that information.

If you go to the Johns Hopkins site on Coronavirus research, you'll find just two papers listed there on the topic of chloroquine. One is just a summary report that says "hey this is interesting". The other cites results from a clinical test in China on 100 patients across 10 hospitals to treat people with pneumonia associated with Coronavirus infection. Results were postive. But really, 100 patients? This just says more study is needed. That opinion piece on wattsup is suspect because it ignores the fact that there isn't enough data to draw a conclusion yet.
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It's about as valid as my opinion on chloroquine, not valid at all, just a lay person with an opinion reviewing pilot studies that don't mean much at all. No real research has been done yet, but it is about to begin in earnest, many experts and doctors think its worth a shot, but that's about it at this point. No reason for the POTUS to spout off about it, he did more harm than good, the people who need to know already do, the doctors and scientists. Nothing wrong with getting ahead on the curve for production of hydroxychloroquine, it can be used for malaria, if it's proven ineffective against cov19, no loss and no harm at least. You are correct, there is nothing serious proving a benefit for this drug or related ones, it's only conjecture at this point.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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DIY-HP-LED said:
It's about as valid as my opinion on chloroquine, not valid at all, just a lay person with an opinion reviewing pilot studies that don't mean much at all. No real research has been done yet, but it is about to begin in earnest, many experts and doctors think its worth a shot, but that's about it at this point. No reason for the POTUS to spout off about it, he did more harm than good, the people who need to know already do, the doctors and scientists. Nothing wrong with getting ahead on the curve for production of hydroxychloroquine, it can be used for malaria, if it's proven ineffective against cov19, no loss and no harm at least. You are correct, there is nothing serious proving a benefit for this drug or related ones, it's only conjecture at this point.
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Any doctor in the US can prescribe chloroquine right now (per FDA commissioner, Dr Stephen Hahn):

www.npr.org

Food And Drug Administration Seeks To Expand Treatment For Coronavirus

NPR's David Greene talks to FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn who has said the agency is moving as quickly as it can to find a vaccine while still following protocol to ensure safety standards are met.
www.npr.org www.npr.org

Nothing stopping them other than a lack of data about effectiveness, schedule and dosages. What the FDA is offering to do is be a central source for the drug for doctors when they decide to treat patients with the anti malarial drug. The FDA will help them get the drug and gather data from these ad hoc trials.

When I listened to Dr Hahn, I didn't get the sense that he was all that hopeful about chloroquine. What I heard was a professional medical doctor and administrator who was trying to avoid saying anything to piss off the boss (Trump) but wasn't going to lie either. I also heard him say -- in effect -- is that one year is the earliest we could see a vaccine but it will probably be longer than that.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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rollitup said:
"You're doing a hell of a job, Brownie!

Yeah, the republicans fuck up everything.


:mrgreen:
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This fuck up is gonna make New Orleans look like nothing at all, the deaths caused by this are gonna be staggering (I hope like fuck I'm wrong). The crash of 2008 will be nothing too, when compared to what is about to hit America and the world (again hoping I'm gloriously wrong).

Donald is running the show until the end of the year and an adult won't be incharge until next year. When he becomes POTUS, Joe might as well hire Obama to fix the economy, again...
 
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