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Could Kelp extracts be a waste of money?

Discussion in 'Nutrients' started by legallyflying, Oct 9, 2011.

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    watchhowIdoit

    watchhowIdoit New Member

    Its not beneficial fungus thats keeping your res clean, its beneficial bacteria and the enzymes they produce during digestion...
     
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    SmoochieBoochies

    SmoochieBoochies Well-Known Member

    Interesting... I personally only use base soil ingredients and essential liquid ferts, so kelp, sugars, foliar etc are necessary only to correct deficiencies.
     
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    zshaw369

    zshaw369 Member

    kelp is the shit, tighter buds, it has over 60 trace minerals that plants love i top dress with kelp and and guanos up until week 6 of flower then i stop the guano and just use the kelp. keep using it
     
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    Illumination

    Illumination New Member

    Will never help deficiencies....who told you that about sugar?
     
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    Wolverine97

    Wolverine97 Well-Known Member

    Tooth fairy be me guess. That bitch is rotten...

    But to clarify, I don't think kelp is useless in an organic garden at all. I use it in my base soil, alfalfa meal also.
     
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    SmoochieBoochies

    SmoochieBoochies Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I should have specified molasses, lol. Contains calcium, magnesium, potassium, and iron all from a natural plant source, organic even. The plants actually do not benefit from sugar.
     
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    watchhowIdoit

    watchhowIdoit New Member

    give up the molasses and sugars for unbleached corn meal...now your feeding your organic medium or tea...
     
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    watchhowIdoit

    watchhowIdoit New Member

    Molasses contains them(cal/mag ect...). But are they available to the plant?????????????
     
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    SmoochieBoochies

    SmoochieBoochies Well-Known Member

    Once the bacteria/fungi in the soil have broken the molasses down as they feed, yes. I use it as a soil amendment and a few times in the water. Here's a good article on it:

    [video]http://www.weekendgardener.net/organic-fertilizer/molasses-050805.htm[/video]

     
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    watchhowIdoit

    watchhowIdoit New Member

    What if your medium does not contain the right bacteria/fungi to break the sugars down? What then?
     
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    SmoochieBoochies

    SmoochieBoochies Well-Known Member

    Lol, move on to another supplement and/or skip the molasses. I made a generalization earlier in the thread about supplements, not their specific uses.
     
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    watchhowIdoit

    watchhowIdoit New Member

    Its all good. Just seems to me this is how generalizations become forum fact. And why these generalizations so often in forums get misconstrued, thats all...
     
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    SmoochieBoochies

    SmoochieBoochies Well-Known Member

    Sure, that's why I never act on information obtained from a generalization. I research, implement, record, and quantify, then come to a conclusion. Happy growing!
     
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    watchhowIdoit

    watchhowIdoit New Member

    Cool beans.....
     
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    eDude

    eDude Well-Known Member

    yeah, that article is useless. No control, no test, just some dude bla bla bla and in the end says it works as a growth stimulant. Builds up a straw man then comes back to the same thing we all know.. it works. What an idiot. I can't believe that's legitimate paper..
     
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    Illumination

    Illumination New Member

    Yeah i read that long ago...but I found molasses to be a pia with little to no benefit....I use synthetic nutes though and maybe in a more soil web dependent medium it may help by feeding the microherd but I have not seen any proof that it helps....In my experince it isw not worth the deficiencies it causes IMHHO

    Namaste':leaf:
     
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    haole420

    haole420 Active Member

    sure you do. i've got plenty of letters after my name too, just don't see the point it using it as a point of argument. good luck with that degree in inorganic chemistry ;)
     
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    Afka

    Afka Active Member

    Molasses a pain in the ass? Ever think of dissolving it first? The deficiencies it causes?

    What a noob
     
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    watchhowIdoit

    watchhowIdoit New Member

    Not a noob, informed beyond cannabis forum bullshit. Molasses is only a magical, bud fattening potion in pot forums. You wont see experienced gardeners using it in their containers. It can cause a whole host of negative effects while offering about zero to the plant or medium............
     
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    Afka

    Afka Active Member

    Really? It's not a bud "fattener", it's a great source of nutrition for bacteria. You know roots exhude sugars on a regular basis to grow bacteria? My bushes are about 2ft tall/diameter and not even flowering yet. All the substrate has had is molasses. Not a single deficiency either. Oh and they had a kelp foliar feed, they're growing out of the tertiary nodes now due to the affects of the cytokinins overtaking the natural auxin dominance. Never been topped.

    You should see the beautiful color of my soil runoff. It's a dark golden orange. Not the color of dissolved molasses either. Golden.
     

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