Confused about the growing laws

StanlySpedowski said:

So you're saying that aeroponic cloners are ok, because they dont consider plain water a growing medium? Clones that are in rockwool would count against your plant count?

Do you have a link to the definition of "growing medium"? Couldn't find one searching through google.

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If rockwool is larger than 2x2x2 its a plant.

I have several clients in compliance with bubble cloners running RO H2O only.

Their language may be confusing but focus on 2x2x2 container / rockwool cube and 8" tall as your max clone size. Measure from base of container or cube. NO nutrients in a bubble cloner, max stem height from rootball is 8".

I take 6" cuttings MAX. Once they root and start to grow you need to have count room for them.

SnapsProvolone said:

If rockwool is larger than 2x2x2 its a plant.

I have several clients in compliance with bubble cloners running RO H2O only.

Their language may be confusing but focus on 2x2x2 container / rockwool cube and 8" tall as your max clone size. Measure from base of container or cube. NO nutrients in a bubble cloner, max stem height from rootball is 8".

I take 6" cuttings MAX. Once they root and start to grow you need to have count room for them.

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The rules in that link you posted state "clones" count towards your plant count. So I dont see why it matters if its a clone or a plant. What am I misreading here?

StanlySpedowski said:

The rules in that link you posted state "clones" count towards your plant count. So I dont see why it matters if its a clone or a plant. What am I misreading here?

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Read where it says "Pursuant to Rule 1.205 (C)(1)"

SnapsProvolone said:

Read where it says "Pursuant to Rule 1.205 (C)(1)"

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I have read it several times, and I still dont get it. I hope you're right, would love to not count clones, but Im just not seeing it. Here is excerpt:

When is a plant counted as a plant if it is just cloned in a rockwool cube?

Pursuant to Rule 1.205(c)(1), a plant is considered part of a licensee's plant count when introduced into any growing medium, including rockwool cubes.

Rule 1.205(C)(1), 1 CCR 212-1: "Inventory Determination. All plants of the genus Cannabis, including marijuana clones placed in a growing medium, in possession of a licensee while at an OPC facility and MMC shall be considered plant inventory."

How does that statement mean that you dont have to count clones. It says "all plants...including marijuana clones placed in a growing medium."

Other thing, if you use an aeroponic or bubble cloner, isn't your growing container technically bigger than 2"x2"x2"? I would think the whole tub would count as the "growing container".

I ses what your saying.

In practice though, compliance has been obtained thru use of rockwool cubes 2x2" or smaller, also rapid rooters and root riot. So MED sees them as clones if your height limits are not exceeded. This opinion was written by a lawyer. The last part of question #1 where it asks
"When is a plant counted as a plant if it is just cloned in a rockwool cube?"

Methinks the reply would be different if the 2x2" dimension was used in the question.

SnapsProvolone said:

I ses what your saying.

In practice though, compliance has been obtained thru use of rockwool cubes 2x2" or smaller, also rapid rooters and root riot. So MED sees them as clones if your height limits are not exceeded. This opinion was written by a lawyer. The last part of question #1 where it asks
"When is a plant counted as a plant if it is just cloned in a rockwool cube?"

Methinks the reply would be different if the 2x2" dimension was used in the question.

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I guess thats where we disagree. I dont think the reply would be different, any "clone", as they have defined it, would still count towards your total count...I think.

Obviously this is just my interpretation of the rules and by no means am I saying that I am right with any real certainty, but I wouldn't feel comfortable growing a bunch of clones and not counting them after reading that document.

StanlySpedowski said:

I guess thats where we disagree. I dont think the reply would be different, any "clone", as they have defined it, would still count towards your total count...I think.

Obviously this is just my interpretation of the rules and by no means am I saying that I am right with any real certainty, but I wouldn't feel comfortable growing a bunch of clones and not counting them after reading that document.

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They why differentiate between clones and plants?

By all means play it safe by your standards.

Read the definition of "immature plant" in this link
http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheadername1=Content-Disposition&blobheadername2=Content-Type&blobheadervalue1=inline;+filename="Permanent+Medical+Marijuana+Rules,+Adopted+10,+2014.pdf"&blobheadervalue2=application/pdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1251928365467&ssbinary=true