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Teag

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We are going to run 24 plants (4 strains) and use different mediums and nutes for each strain. We’re going to do half in what we’ve been using, and the other half in a new medium with Jacks 321, and see if there is a noticeable difference in yield and cost to grow. We have been using Berger BM7 soil with Botanicare nutes in veg, and Tiger Bloom in flower with MammothP. That will be one half. The other will be Jolly Gardener C25 with Jacks, and no enzymes. We just want to see if it really makes a difference. It would sure cut down our costs if the Jacks and C25 produce the same results.
Hmm. I thought you were growing in coco coir. I'm not sure if the part A everyone uses is best for you since its more(?) for hydroponics. Might give Jacks a call and they might recommend something more specific for your water, setup, etc. I'm guessing the normal part A will work great, but it might be worth it to see what an expert has to say. They will probably try and sell you more products than you need like any good salesman though.
 
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Keesje

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Honestly boss, we've only put a couple of hours into this. We took the first tray top colas (pic above), and have the cure room at 63 degrees/60% RH. Tray 2 and 3 are just not ready yet, but Early Lemon Berry is very close! Like maybe Fri for a top cola take down on that strain. Orange Kush (middle tray 2) can prob go till next week. And the tall ladies in the back (Dosi Whoa!) can prob go another 10 days or so. Im am TOTALLY ok with this slow take down, as we are taking a break after this round. Due to COVID19, here's the plan. .. We're going to take our time and take the top colas, and dry them.. as they get dry enough (10-14 days) we will buck them off the stems and store them in the CureTubes. As the secondaries dense up (pic above in tray 1 left), we will let those go for another 2 weeks or so. As we stage this take down, we want everything dried and in the CureTubes. We will then rent a GreenBroz dry trimmer ($350 a day) and run everything at the same time. This should just take one day as we expect 20-25 lbs of finished product. I used to have a Twister T4, but it was pretty brutal on the buds. The GreenBroz 215 only spins at 20 RPM, and there is no suction at all. I've done a lot of research on this model, and it seems to be about as close to hand trimmed you can get. They say it does 75% of the work, and then you have to just do quality control with the random crows feet and whatnot. .....So... that's the plan.
I use the search button to look for your GreenBroz review.
You said somehwere that you would use a microscope to check on the buds.
Looking back at your experience, what is your opinion on the quality of the buds after using the GreenBroz?
 

Stipulus

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Woof!... Man, what crazy times we're in. This crop is coming to a close, and my normal trim crew wants to work, but Im hesitant to have 3-4 people I rarely talk to come out and trim. I have another home on my property that my parents stay in during the summer. They have a winter home in AZ. They just arrived, and they are pretty active. They're over 65, and are on lockdown by County law, so they may need something to do... and that something to do may be trimming LOL! As you can see, this is going to be one of those "Eating an elephant one bite at a time"... it can be overwhelming during these uncertain times. SO!.. we are going to try dry trimming this round. I hear that you have more of a window to trim since dry hanging will "cure", and time is not so much of an essence compared to wet trimming and hanging, (IE), they can hang longer and not dry out so fast. If any of you dry trimmers have any advise, I'd sure have an open mind. We'll have 4 people available 24/7... I just need to think out the process I guess.
Dry trimming sucks arse....sorry but it does
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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I use the search button to look for your GreenBroz review.
You said somehwere that you would use a microscope to check on the buds.
Looking back at your experience, what is your opinion on the quality of the buds after using the GreenBroz?
Well, nothing beats a hand trim, but doing 27 lbs is not a task we can do without the GreenBroz to do at least 70% of the work. We finish by hand tho. The good thing about it is that it only turns at 20 rpm with no suction, so it’s much more gentle on the buds compared to something like a T4. Looking at the finished buds under the scope, the trichs are not perfect, but as close to hand trimmed as you can get by any other machine I’ve seen. We had rented that one for the last round, and we’ve decided to just buy one. If there is a better one on the market, I’d sure like to see it. Wished they weren’t so damn expensive.
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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The price is outrageous, indeed.

Sounds crazy, but did you ever try The Trimbag.
Please don't hit me!
A guy I know uses it and his buds look great.
It sounds to simplistic, I know
Hear of it, studied it, and it’s just not practical for this scale. If I was doing a personal grow, I’d prob just hand trim all of it. Personal grow limit here is 6 plants per person, per household. So if you have 4 people in a home, you can have 24 plants.
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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A little update on the Summer experiment... I only ran 1 tray for fear of it getting too hot in there. After adding CO2 and sealing up the intake/exhaust, i have found that I can not only run 2 rows, but maybe all 3 for a full run during summer. I guess my dumb ass could turn row 3 on to see how the temps do. I had to turn my AC up to 83 degrees to get the room up to 86. The Spartan is doing a great job of controlling the environment. What I did to experiment, was to change soil medium to C25, add CO2, and cut out Mammoth P to see how the yields come in compared to last run with the same strains (cloned them)... Everything seems to be clicking along, on day 24 of flower currently.IMG_0305.jpegIMG_4308.jpeg
 

Stipulus

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All trimming sucks!
True that bro, finally I found a journal of a worthy grow! Do you think that the defoliation you did has affected your yield? I find that if I pull the shade leaves off really big colas I have had a increased rate of Botryitis(bud rot). So now I just cut the leaves in half and hey presto...ive had no bud rot at all!!! Puling leaves off big colas leaves scars, and they dont heal inbetween massive buds as its moist and there is no airflow. You should try it, makes for easier trimming as well. Do not cut the petiol mind you as it will die, just the fingers. Once again, bloody great thread! If only I could post one, but its kind of illegal where I am.
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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True that bro, finally I found a journal of a worthy grow! Do you think that the defoliation you did has affected your yield? I find that if I pull the shade leaves off really big colas I have had a increased rate of Botryitis(bud rot). So now I just cut the leaves in half and hey presto...ive had no bud rot at all!!! Puling leaves off big colas leaves scars, and they dont heal inbetween massive buds as its moist and there is no airflow. You should try it, makes for easier trimming as well. Do not cut the petiol mind you as it will die, just the fingers. Once again, bloody great thread! If only I could post one, but its kind of illegal where I am.
Thank you sir!.. and yes, we have defoliated the last grow (this journal), and it turned out well. We did not see any bud rot at all after heavy defoil in late flower. We did have pretty good control of the RH tho. This room has wicked air circulation, and we have only seen bud rot (slight) on a couple of plants last year, but it was very isolated, and we tossed those buds. We try to quality control as much as possible by inspecting the top colas in between the buds before we send them out to market. No complaints or issue so far... and believe me, they will tell you! As far as defoil affecting the yield?... I'd say not, but who knows. Id have to do a control and not defoil it at all and see what happens.
 

Stipulus

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Thank you sir!.. and yes, we have defoliated the last grow (this journal), and it turned out well. We did not see any bud rot at all after heavy defoil in late flower. We did have pretty good control of the RH tho. This room has wicked air circulation, and we have only seen bud rot (slight) on a couple of plants last year, but it was very isolated, and we tossed those buds. We try to quality control as much as possible by inspecting the top colas in between the buds before we send them out to market. No complaints or issue so far... and believe me, they will tell you! As far as defoil affecting the yield?... I'd say not, but who knows. Id have to do a control and not defoil it at all and see what happens.
Thats great, I had bud rot on 15% humidity with a fan blowing pretty much directly on the flowers. They were so wide that I think the scars from defoliating got infected with bud rot. I snip the leaves in half now and havnt had a problem. Best thread on this whole site mate, well done.
 
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