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OddBall1st

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Rob, understand that the United States of America is not and was not ever intended to be a place where people can do whatever they want , whenever they want, however they choose. People that don`t like that live here only because they did not leave it.
 

Rob Roy

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Rob, understand that the United States of America is not and was not ever intended to be a place where people can do whatever they want , whenever they want, however they choose. People that don`t like that live here only because they did not leave it.

I never suggested people should be able to do whatever they want....I have suggested peaceful people should own their own lives....there is a huge difference between the two.


Here this is for you....from a blog post

Anarchy?

Titling a blog "Government, Anarchy and Chaos" sounds fairly radical, doesn't it? And perhaps today it is.

But anarchy, or at least a social organization that leans much more heavily toward some of anarchy's basic principles, doesn't sound quite so different, quite so scary, when you look at what the word really means, rather than the shorthand assumptions often made about it.

One definition of anarchy is, "A social state in which there is no governing person or group of people, but each individual has absolute libery (without the implication of disorder)." (Wikipedia.)

A perfect example of this use of the word anarchy is, ironically, Wikipedia itself. Essentially unregulated 'from the top', but kept orderly and informative from the collective actions of an empowered user base, Wikipedia exemplifies what happens when you let people do something without getting in their way; to wit, it works.

And works pretty well, too. Various surveys of technical topics within Wikipedia continue to demonstrate that it generally offers information as, or more, accurate than dedicated journals and publications. In fact:

Because Wikipedia is open to anonymous and collaborative editing, assessments of its reliability usually include examinations of how quickly false or misleading information is removed. An early study conducted by IBM researchers in 2003—two years following Wikipedia's establishment—found that "vandalism is usually repaired extremely quickly — so quickly that most users will never see its effects"[1] and concluded that Wikipedia had "surprisingly effective self-healing capabilities".[2]
A notable early study in the journal Nature suggested that in 2005, Wikipedia scientific articles came close to the level of accuracy inEncyclopædia Britannica and had a similar rate of "serious errors".[3]This study was disputed by Encyclopædia Britannica.[4]
By 2010 reviewers in medical and scientific fields such as toxicology, cancer research and drug information reviewing Wikipedia against professional and peer reviewed sources found that Wikipedia's depth and coverage were of a very high standard, often comparable in coverage to physician databases and considerably better than well known reputable national media outlets. Wikipedia articles were cited as references in journals (614 cites in 2009) and as evidence in trademark and higher court rulings. However, omissions and readability sometimes remained an issue – the former at times due topublic relations removal of adverse product information and a considerable concern for fields such as medicine.
Essentially, Wikipedia is a microcosm of an anarchist society; few rules, great freedom, mutual self-interest at the heart of chosen collective endeavors. It almost smells a bit like communism, until you realize that there is no 'uber-comrade' behind the curtain somewhere, and then you realize it's just about the exact opposite; a society without a powerful overseer.

We live today with a tacit acceptance of the fact that government and society are the foundation of what we've achieved, but think: does the 'government' actually make anything? Does it innovate, does it press forward into the future with vision and foresight? No, people do that. And people, when crushed into a society designed by bureaucrats and politicians, generally do it less well than when left to their own devices.
 

see4

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So that means I have the Right to call a Gay a Faggot no matter how annoying it may be to them, as long as I let them buy at my store and rent from my estates.

What the Gay had the SCOTUS change was not a law, it was a stipulation that disqualified them from something they are not. Same sex marriage is not a man and a women.
You don't believe in separation of church and state. Fortunately for the rest of us, you are not in a position to make critical decisions about our socioeconomic policies.
 

Rob Roy

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Well that explains why anarchy in Somalia, Nigeria, and Syria has been praised so much by so many.
False dichotomy. The absence of a central authoritarian coercion based system by itself does not mean other forms of coercion will cease to exist. I could explain more, maybe I will later, maybe not.

What you appear to be saying is that the present model, the nation state, ensures things are all hunky dory....I wonder how many political prisoners and innocent people murdered by government would disagree with you?

Also what makes you think in the absence of a central coercive authority that chaos is a foregone conclusion?

At best involuntarily based government can only attempt to maintain order, which is not the same thing as maintaining peace.
 

OddBall1st

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You don't believe in separation of church and state. Fortunately for the rest of us, you are not in a position to make critical decisions about our socioeconomic policies.

Oh yes I do,...I also believe that there are no special privileges or protections for someone based on what they do with their genital organs. You however, seem to think there are.
 

OddBall1st

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False dichotomy. The absence of a central authoritarian coercion based system by itself does not mean other forms of coercion will cease to exist. I could explain more, maybe I will later, maybe not.

What you appear to be saying is that the present model, the nation state, ensures things are all hunky dory....I wonder how many political prisoners and innocent people murdered by government would disagree with you?

Also what makes you think in the absence of a central coercive authority that chaos is a foregone conclusion?

At best involuntarily based government can only attempt to maintain order, which is not the same thing as maintaining peace.

1) So why would we want that ? (other forms of coercion.)

2) No, not hunky dory,...safer, more likely to stay law abiding,...and more importantly, the ability to make changes. Even Rome fell. China however is still afloat,...but point to the one`s that approve of the Communist approach. There wont be many.

3) Look at Chicago.

4) You speak not of elected Government. (which is subject to change.)
 

Rob Roy

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1) So why would we want that ? (other forms of coercion.)

2) No, not hunky dory,...safer, more likely to stay law abiding,...and more importantly, the ability to make changes. Even Rome fell. China however is still afloat,...but point to the one`s that approve of the Communist approach. There wont be many.

3) Look at Chicago.

4) You speak not of elected Government. (which is subject to change.)

Name any elected government which didn't have as its cornerstone a coercion base. So if that is so, and it is, how is any government different from a violent gang?

If the mechanism you prefer, an elected government based in coercion is the best there is, isn't it flawed from the start?

Just because a populace is duped into thinking that being able to chose its oppressors is a win, it doesn't mean the populace runs their own individual lives now does it?

Chicago is that way, because of government. People there are treated like children and have no legal way of defending themselves.
 

Rob Roy

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Oh yes I do,...I also believe that there are no special privileges or protections for someone based on what they do with their genital organs. You however, seem to think there are.

Would you oppose removing government from the marriage thing entirely and let individuals determine what the nature of their relationship is? Or should people have to first have permission to be married from government?
 

see4

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Oh yes I do,...I also believe that there are no special privileges or protections for someone based on what they do with their genital organs. You however, seem to think there are.
No. You believe that gays should not be allowed to marry, because your fairy tale book told you so. I believe people, no matter their sexual orientation or skin color, are all equal and be treated the same. So if two gay men want to marry each other, they can, if a black man and an asian man want to marry, they can, if a latin woman and her goat want to marry, I don't give a fuck, they can marry. I also think that being married should not have anything to do with taxes, and therefore government should have no governance over two or more people and their farm animals being married. Why should I care? It's not me marrying a man or a goat. Why should you care what other people do? Why are you so concerned about others?
 

OddBall1st

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Never have I said they cannot marry,...I`ve always stated they should not be treated as my equal nor qualify for my Gov, incentives.
 

Padawanbater2

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1) Because it`s my choice to make.

2) To the extent that I do not allow it in my home or car or make exception.

3) No law say s I`m better, and no sentence I posted says that either. Why do you ask ? Is it because I refuse to allow Gay behavior to influence my life, or thrive in and around my livelihood ?

4) Discrimination is not illegal because it is essential. Gays are gonna have to learn to deal with that. Most importantly, I don`t need to explain my dislikes to you.
Yeah, all the other choices are "yours to make" too, so why do you choose that one?

"I think Gay behavior is horridly bad, inexcusable and not just foreplay kinky sex as they would like you to believe."

You could choose to mind your own business like everybody else but instead you concern yourself with the sort of sex people enjoy, why is that? If you don't like meat, that's fine, don't eat meat, but don't tell other people they can't eat meat because you don't like meat.

"Is it because I refuse to allow Gay behavior to influence my life"

Lol.. if homosexuality didn't influence your life, this wouldn't be an issue, like it isn't for most people..
 

OddBall1st

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Yeah, all the other choices are "yours to make" too, so why do you choose that one?

"I think Gay behavior is horridly bad, inexcusable and not just foreplay kinky sex as they would like you to believe."

You could choose to mind your own business like everybody else but instead you concern yourself with the sort of sex people enjoy, why is that? If you don't like meat, that's fine, don't eat meat, but don't tell other people they can't eat meat because you don't like meat.

"Is it because I refuse to allow Gay behavior to influence my life"

Lol.. if homosexuality didn't influence your life, this wouldn't be an issue, like it isn't for most people..

As soon as it interferes and becomes a hurdle for me to overcome,....yes, I will speak out....So...there you have it......
 

Padawanbater2

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As soon as it interferes and becomes a hurdle for me to overcome,....yes, I will speak out....So...there you have it......
Why is accepting that it's OK for people to have different sexual orientations a "hurdle for you to overcome"?

Why do you care so much what other people do with their own lives? Why do you think you have the right to dictate how anyone but yourself lives their own life?
 

OddBall1st

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Why is accepting that it's OK for people to have different sexual orientations a "hurdle for you to overcome"?

Why do you care so much what other people do with their own lives? Why do you think you have the right to dictate how anyone but yourself lives their own life?

Where do these questions come from ?

!) you took it upon yourself...again....to tell me that is my hurdle,...it`s not.
2) I don`t
3) I don`t.

These are all things you say to me,...it don`t fly,.....try asking me instead of telling me after you decided my thoughts...
 

Harrekin

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Why is accepting that it's OK for people to have different sexual orientations a "hurdle for you to overcome"?

Why do you care so much what other people do with their own lives? Why do you think you have the right to dictate how anyone but yourself lives their own life?
Repressed latent homosexual frustration is conflicting with his strict heterosexual Christian upbringing.

He gets frustrated when he sees gay people because they have what he secretly wants, so instead of being true to himself he wants to lock away his gay side and not be reminded of it.

Latent-homosexual cognitive dissonance.
 
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